1851 Census H107 1552 page 1337 15 Orchard Row, Stepney, London John MIDDLETON, age 37, Rope Maker, born Portsea, Hampshire Mary MIDDLETON, wife, age 36, born Finchley, Middlesex Emma MIDDLETON, dau, age 2 and a Half, born Stepney 1851 Census H107 1552 page 1339 5 Orchard Row, Stepney, London George ALLEN, widower, age 61, Annuitant, born Portsea, Hampshire Mary Ann ALLEN, dau, unmarried, age 32, born Portsea, Hampshire Martha ALLEN, dau, age 11, born Limehouse, Middlesex 1851 Census H107 1552 page 1345 25 Orchard Row, Stepney, London Richard BULL, age 48, Coal Backer, born Boldre, Hampshire Elizabeth BULL, wife, age 50, Laundress, born Boldre, Hampshire George BULL, son, unmarried, age 29, Coal Whipper, born Boldre, Hampshire Eliza BULL, dau, age 13, born Stepney Linda Tasmania, Australia

Grahame if they were christened in St Mary' Portsea they should be on the IGI at _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) but the date/s could be anytime from birth to adulthood. If you find any dates that fit in with census info etc we will check them out for you and possibly help wih more address info for them. Hope this helps,Linda and Tony writes: Alan Thanks for your e-mail. I don't have anything concrete but believe they were both christened in St Mary's Portsea. Hope this helps and sorry for not including it in my earlier e-mail. Kind Regards Grahame -----Original Message----- From: Alan McGowan [mailto:mcgoa@lineone.net] Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 8:42 PM To: glmcdonald@hn.ozemail.com.au Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census - McDonald Which area do you expect them to be in? Do you have any birthplaces or places of residence from other census entries or certificates? The 1851 census index for Hampshire has a separate index for each parish, so there are about 300 separate indexes to check. Alan McGowan Hampshire Family History Site http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame McDonald" <glmcdonald@hn.ozemail.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census - McDonald Dear List I am hoping that someone who has access to the 1851 Census would be kind enough to look-up my great-great grandfather. Details would be: John McDonald - age approx 31 years Jane McDonald - age approx 24 years Sarah Jane McDonald - age approx 3 years (Possibly) John McDonald - age approx 1 year Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Grahame Sydney, Australia

Images sent off list Regards Shan Manager for Ancestry Aid www.ancestryaid.co.uk -------Original Message------- From: LINDA MARTIN Date: 07/01/05 13:20:32 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1891/1901 census lookups? Hi: I'm looking for two Hampshire girls - Maria HUMBERSTONE born 1840, Lambourn, Berkshire with husband Edward probably in Surrey/London area. Can anyone find her in 1891/1901? Martha WELLS born 1837, Lambourn, Berkshire - can anyone find her in 1901? In 1891 she was living with John MEER in Basingstoke, but I don't believe they ever married. He died in 1892. Maria and Martha were sisters - and although born in Lambourn spent most of their young lives in Cliddesden, Hampshire where my husbands descendants remained. Thank you, Linda ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Good morning, could SKS do a lookup of the 1841 & 1851 census for Joseph BEST parish Alverstoke, Hampshire, born abt 1797 Shrewton, Wiltshire, England. Occupation tailor. Wife, Mary born abt 1799 Portsea, Hampshire TIA Maryanne South Australia

Hi: I'm looking for two Hampshire girls - Maria HUMBERSTONE born 1840, Lambourn, Berkshire with husband Edward probably in Surrey/London area. Can anyone find her in 1891/1901? Martha WELLS born 1837, Lambourn, Berkshire - can anyone find her in 1901? In 1891 she was living with John MEER in Basingstoke, but I don't believe they ever married. He died in 1892. Maria and Martha were sisters - and although born in Lambourn spent most of their young lives in Cliddesden, Hampshire where my husbands descendants remained. Thank you, Linda

Hi List, I think Pete is correct in that Nelson had no legitimate offspring. He did of course have his daughter Horatia born to Emma Hamilton. I suspect that the "Nelson's" being interviewed today may well have been descended from his nephew who became the 2nd Earl Nelson following Horatio's demise. Sandra

Something strange here! On the National Archives list for the battle of Trafalgar the advance search gives you about thirty ships to choose from but there is no HMS Victory there!! Chris Lynda Ahmad wrote: >Can't manage Trafalgar, but I've got an ancestor who was on Nelson's >flagship at the Battle of the Nile. That's as close as I can get. :-( >He was George SHIRLEY who lived in Portsea. > >Lynda > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> >To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:03 PM >Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Genealogical envy > > > > >>Hi List, >>Dont you just envy those people who appeared on tonight's TV program, >>who claim descent from Nelson? It must be wonderful to have such an >>illustrious ancestor on one's family tree. >>As someone who is descended from predominantly good yeoman stock of >>England ( with a few odd mariners too - but none from Trafalgar), I love >>to hear these stories. >>The TV program also claimed that there are approximately 3-4 million >>people alive today who can claim to be related to someone who fought at >>Trafalgar. Any on this list? >>Sandra >> >> >>============================== >>New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >> >> >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta >rgetid=5429 > > >> >> > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.7/34 - Release Date: 29/06/2005

Go to http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/results.asp There are dozens of KING there including James, 21,Slade England, Able Seaman James, 30, Lowestoft, Quartergunner Chris Julie Fox wrote: > Old family letters from the late 1800s reflect that my King line was > connected to the James King on HMS Victory, but I have yet to prove > it. With a surname like King, it's no easy task and it might have > just been a vivid imagination. > > Julie in San Diego > > > > > At 01:03 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote: > >> Hi List, >> Dont you just envy those people who appeared on tonight's TV program, >> who claim descent from Nelson? It must be wonderful to have such an >> illustrious ancestor on one's family tree. >> As someone who is descended from predominantly good yeoman stock of >> England ( with a few odd mariners too - but none from Trafalgar), I >> love to hear these stories. >> The TV program also claimed that there are approximately 3-4 million >> people alive today who can claim to be related to someone who fought >> at Trafalgar. Any on this list? >> Sandra >> >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> > > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.7/34 - Release Date: 29/06/2005

There is another programme on the events on Sunday BBC1 but not sure what time. Chris Peter Ferreira wrote: > Hi List, > > . . . . . . and I thought that Nelson died without any issue! > > Cheers!! > > > Peter. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" > <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 4:03 PM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Genealogical envy > > >> Hi List, >> Dont you just envy those people who appeared on tonight's TV program, >> who claim descent from Nelson? It must be wonderful to have such an >> illustrious ancestor on one's family tree. >> As someone who is descended from predominantly good yeoman stock of >> England ( with a few odd mariners too - but none from Trafalgar), I >> love to hear these stories. >> The TV program also claimed that there are approximately 3-4 million >> people alive today who can claim to be related to someone who fought >> at Trafalgar. Any on this list? >> Sandra >> >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.7/34 - Release Date: 29/06/2005

Yes Sandra!! I have two HAYLES who were part of one of the ships crew. Charles HAYLES aged 37 Ordinary Seaman, Newchurch IOW Richard HAYLES aged 32 West End Southampton Ordinary Seaman Check to see if you have any at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/ Chris Sandra J Smith wrote: > Hi List, > Dont you just envy those people who appeared on tonight's TV program, > who claim descent from Nelson? It must be wonderful to have such an > illustrious ancestor on one's family tree. > As someone who is descended from predominantly good yeoman stock of > England ( with a few odd mariners too - but none from Trafalgar), I > love to hear these stories. > The TV program also claimed that there are approximately 3-4 million > people alive today who can claim to be related to someone who fought > at Trafalgar. Any on this list? > Sandra > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. > Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.7/34 - Release Date: 29/06/2005

Can't manage Trafalgar, but I've got an ancestor who was on Nelson's flagship at the Battle of the Nile. That's as close as I can get. :-( He was George SHIRLEY who lived in Portsea. Lynda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Genealogical envy > Hi List, > Dont you just envy those people who appeared on tonight's TV program, > who claim descent from Nelson? It must be wonderful to have such an > illustrious ancestor on one's family tree. > As someone who is descended from predominantly good yeoman stock of > England ( with a few odd mariners too - but none from Trafalgar), I love > to hear these stories. > The TV program also claimed that there are approximately 3-4 million > people alive today who can claim to be related to someone who fought at > Trafalgar. Any on this list? > Sandra > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > >

There were 2 Corneys there. One born America, James Corney 39, died 21 Oct 1805 one born Whitby, Matthew Corney, 21, believe died 30 Jun or July 1 1805. = = = = = = = = = = = = Pat C., BHCD Quakertown, PA US BLUROC1@worldnet.att.net = = = = = = = = = = = = = Remember me in the family tree my name, my days, my strife; then I'll ride upon the wings of time and live an endless life - GOETSCH Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004: Renewed Feb 2005 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris & Caroline To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Genealogical envy Yes Sandra!! I have two HAYLES who were part of one of the ships crew. Charles HAYLES aged 37 Ordinary Seaman, Newchurch IOW Richard HAYLES aged 32 West End Southampton Ordinary Seaman Check to see if you have any at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/ Chris Sandra J Smith wrote: > Hi List, > Dont you just envy those people who appeared on tonight's TV program, > who claim descent from Nelson? It must be wonderful to have such an > illustrious ancestor on one's family tree. > As someone who is descended from predominantly good yeoman stock of > England ( with a few odd mariners too - but none from Trafalgar), I > love to hear these stories. > The TV program also claimed that there are approximately 3-4 million > people alive today who can claim to be related to someone who fought > at Trafalgar. Any on this list? > Sandra > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. > Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.7/34 - Release Date: 29/06/2005

Hi List, Dont you just envy those people who appeared on tonight's TV program, who claim descent from Nelson? It must be wonderful to have such an illustrious ancestor on one's family tree. As someone who is descended from predominantly good yeoman stock of England ( with a few odd mariners too - but none from Trafalgar), I love to hear these stories. The TV program also claimed that there are approximately 3-4 million people alive today who can claim to be related to someone who fought at Trafalgar. Any on this list? Sandra

Hi List, . . . . . . and I thought that Nelson died without any issue! Cheers!! Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 4:03 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Genealogical envy > Hi List, > Dont you just envy those people who appeared on tonight's TV program, who > claim descent from Nelson? It must be wonderful to have such an > illustrious ancestor on one's family tree. > As someone who is descended from predominantly good yeoman stock of > England ( with a few odd mariners too - but none from Trafalgar), I love > to hear these stories. > The TV program also claimed that there are approximately 3-4 million > people alive today who can claim to be related to someone who fought at > Trafalgar. Any on this list? > Sandra > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Old family letters from the late 1800s reflect that my King line was connected to the James King on HMS Victory, but I have yet to prove it. With a surname like King, it's no easy task and it might have just been a vivid imagination. Julie in San Diego At 01:03 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote: >Hi List, >Dont you just envy those people who appeared on tonight's TV program, who >claim descent from Nelson? It must be wonderful to have such an >illustrious ancestor on one's family tree. >As someone who is descended from predominantly good yeoman stock of >England ( with a few odd mariners too - but none from Trafalgar), I love >to hear these stories. >The TV program also claimed that there are approximately 3-4 million >people alive today who can claim to be related to someone who fought at >Trafalgar. Any on this list? >Sandra > > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

The BBC have got the Trafalgar re-enactment online!! Go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4627453.stm Turn up the sound, watch the battle and the fireworks BEEWARE IT IS OVER 42 mins long!! Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.6/33 - Release Date: 28/06/2005

Dear Rose, May I have copies of the 3 marriage certificates and the 1 birth certificate? My ggm Ellen Alice MILLS, born December 01, 1877, came from Southampton and married John FUGETT also of Southampton. They ran the Bedford Inn in Southampton and also The Bell, at Brook (New Forest)and The Vine at Ower [both Hampshire]. The certificates might help me in the search for her MILLS family. Thank you. Sincerely, Kathy Unsel Gillis USA Opiekan <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> wrote: I have 3 unwanted marriage certificates and 1 birth certificate is anyone is interested. George Mills married Ann Jerrim 1866 Southampton William Mills married Harriett Reeves 1869 Southampton William Mills married Charlotte Duffield 1889 West Ham Irene Mills born 1890 Southampton Rose Australia ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Dear Julie, can't help with the 1851 census, but, just in case you can make a connection, here are some from the 1861 Fordingbridge Census (Henry and Elizabeth would have been 74 [see second entry] but Henry was obviously deceased): Bridge Street, Fordingbridge LAWES, George, 31, tailor & draper, born Fordingbridge LAWES, Isabella, 30? [last digit unclear], wife, born Wilts. LAWES, William, 1, son, born Fordingbridge ................ Breamore Rectory (head: James W. Palmerson) LAWES, Elizabeth, 74, widow, born Downton, Wilts. LAWES, Sarah, 26, dtr., born Breamore LAWES, Rosina?, 3, grddtr, born Woodgreen LAWES, infant, 1 month, grdson, born Fordingbridge [note: it is normal to give relationships to the head of household, but these are seemingly to Henry] ................ Breamore, schedule 45 [note Breamore is nearly 2 miles N of Fordingbridge, up the Salisbury Road; Woodgreen is 1/2 mile E of Breamore; Hale is 1/2 mile NE of Woodgreen] LAWES, William, 33, sawyer, born Breamore LAWES, Sarah, 40, wife, born Hale LAWES, Mary Ann, 15, dtr., born Woodgreen LAWES, Elizabeth, 9, dtr., born Woodgreen LAWES, William, 6, son, born Woodgreen ................ Breamore schedule 63 [note Godshill is 1 1/2 mile S of Woodgreen] LAWES, James, 47, sawyer, born Breamore LAWES, Sarah, 32, wife, born Godshill LAWES, Elizabeth, 10, dtr., born Godshill LAWES, Elisha, 4, son, born Woodgreen LAWES, Eli, 1, son, born Woodgreen ................ Tidpit in Martin Parish, schedule 120 (birthplaces illegible) [note Martin is 6 miles W of Breamore] LAWES, William, 36, carter, born ? Edmond LAWES, Ann, 32, wife, born ? (possibly Breamore) LAWES, William John, 13, carter, born ? (possibly Breamore) LAWES, George, 11, ploughboy, born ? LAWES, Ann, 10 months, born Witham? Martin These are all within walking distance of each other and I would assume were at least recently related. Regards, David

Steve: That's great. Thank you so much for taking the time to help me. Kind regards, Julie (Fox) in San Diego At 12:25 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: >Julie > >According to Hants FHS 1851 index number 52, they are possibly living in >Godshill > >Elizabeth Laws, 62, Downton Wilts, HO/107/1667, Folio 645 >Henry Laws, 63, Breamore, HO/107/1667, Folio 645 >John Laws, 22, Godshill, HO/107/1667, Folio 645 >Joseph Laws, 30, Godshill, HO/107/1667, Folio 645 >Sarah Laws, 14, Breamore, HO/107/1667, Folio 645 > >Two other Laws near by that might be related: > >James Laws, 37, Woodgreen, HO/107/1667, Folio 640 >Sarah Laws, 21, Newground, HO/107/1667, Folio 640 > >Kind Regards > >Steve Day > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Julie Fox [mailto:julie.fox@viterbigroup.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:26 PM >To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census > >Does anyone have easy access to the 1851 census for Hampshire? I'm >looking for a Henry and Elizabeth Lawes (both aged abt. 64) who are >probably living in Fordingbridge. Appreciate any help. > >Thanks, >Julie in San Diego

Dear David: That was very kind of you. I do have an Ancestry subscription, so I have these. I'll probably have to order the 1851 census down to my local LDS library, as it doesn't appear that anyone has an index. Thanks for taking the time. Thanks, Julie At 02:23 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: >Dear Julie, >can't help with the 1851 census, but, just in case you can make a >connection, here are some from the 1861 Fordingbridge Census (Henry and >Elizabeth would have been 74 [see second entry] but Henry was obviously >deceased): > >Bridge Street, Fordingbridge >LAWES, George, 31, tailor & draper, born Fordingbridge >LAWES, Isabella, 30? [last digit unclear], wife, born Wilts. >LAWES, William, 1, son, born Fordingbridge >................ >Breamore Rectory (head: James W. Palmerson) >LAWES, Elizabeth, 74, widow, born Downton, Wilts. >LAWES, Sarah, 26, dtr., born Breamore >LAWES, Rosina?, 3, grddtr, born Woodgreen >LAWES, infant, 1 month, grdson, born Fordingbridge >[note: it is normal to give relationships to the head of household, but >these are seemingly to Henry] >................ >Breamore, schedule 45 >[note Breamore is nearly 2 miles N of Fordingbridge, up the Salisbury >Road; Woodgreen is 1/2 mile E of Breamore; Hale is 1/2 mile NE of Woodgreen] >LAWES, William, 33, sawyer, born Breamore >LAWES, Sarah, 40, wife, born Hale >LAWES, Mary Ann, 15, dtr., born Woodgreen >LAWES, Elizabeth, 9, dtr., born Woodgreen >LAWES, William, 6, son, born Woodgreen >................ >Breamore schedule 63 >[note Godshill is 1 1/2 mile S of Woodgreen] >LAWES, James, 47, sawyer, born Breamore >LAWES, Sarah, 32, wife, born Godshill >LAWES, Elizabeth, 10, dtr., born Godshill >LAWES, Elisha, 4, son, born Woodgreen >LAWES, Eli, 1, son, born Woodgreen >................ >Tidpit in Martin Parish, schedule 120 (birthplaces illegible) >[note Martin is 6 miles W of Breamore] >LAWES, William, 36, carter, born ? Edmond >LAWES, Ann, 32, wife, born ? (possibly Breamore) >LAWES, William John, 13, carter, born ? (possibly Breamore) >LAWES, George, 11, ploughboy, born ? >LAWES, Ann, 10 months, born Witham? Martin > >These are all within walking distance of each other and I would assume >were at least recently related. >Regards, David > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >