1851 Census H107 1536 page 111 13 Hoxton Square, Shoreditch, London Margaret CARPENTER, Servant, unmarried, age 25, Servant, born Hampshire Anne WILLIAMS, Servant, unmarried, age 27, Servant, born Hampshire Catherine BONE, Servant, unmarried, age 24, Servant, born Hampshire Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1536 page 111 11 Hoxton Square, Shoreditch, London William ALLEN, age 42, Scale Bone Cutter, born Alton, Hants Mary ALLEN, wife, age 40, born London William EDEN, Father, married, age 55, Annuitant, born Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire Mary Ann EDEN, Mother, married, age 57, Annuitant, born Kingston, Surrey Elizabeth THOMPSON, Sister, married, age 47, Visitor, born Alton, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

Is this the Holly Hill Woods that stretches down towards Havant? As there is a Holly House mentioned (now demolished) on one of the websites we found. Chris and caroline David DOWD wrote: > Dear Richard, > In 1859 Holly Hill (no modifier) was a neat mansion in a beautiful > park, the country seat of Lord William Henry Hugh Cholmondeley, CB, MP > for South Hants. 1852-57. In 1875 it was the seat of Capt. Maxse, > R.N.; in 1898-1911 it was home to plain old George Winn. > Regards, David > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 08/07/2005

Richard I cannot find a Holly House but there is a Holly House Nursery mentioned at http://tinyurl.com/cra6l this could be the one, I think it is Titchfield but not too sure as it is a pdf file and not very clear on locations. Nothing found about the gates even on our history of the village and surrounding area at http://southernlife.org.uk/titchfie.htm Chris Richard Parsons wrote: >Hello again Listers, >I have returned to yet again plead for help with a couple of questions. > >A Holly Hill House? Could someone tell me where about in Titchfield it >was? >I have been looking at a map (honest) but cannot see it on there. There >is Holly Hill Farm, Holly Hill Club and Rose Cottage but not the >‘House’! >Is it by any chance the Farm or Club? > >Also, if it is not too much of an imposition, could someone tell me >what/where the “Common Gates” would be around Titchfield? >I have an Elizabeth KING who married a William STUR(N)MEY in 1838 and >she gives her address as this. > >Thanks if you have read this far, I greatly appreciate any and all help. > >Richard Parsons > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 08/07/2005

I have, and did not, which is why I asked. But I thank you for your suggestions about Google Edna; I tried that too and had nothing specific. Perhaps I did delve deep enough. However thanks to David it may be that William had a room(s) or (more likely a cottage) on the estate, or at the 'House'. Thanks all, Richard PS if there are any KING researchers out there could you contact me please? -----Original Message----- From: Edna & Ken [mailto:ekbrit@rogers.com] Sent: 09 July 2005 14:14 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Help needed...Maps Hi, Peruse some old maps, you may find it there... Good Luck, Edna - Ottawa --------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Parsons" <cu22@gfor6.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Help needed... Hello again Listers, I have returned to yet again plead for help with a couple of questions. A Holly Hill House? Could someone tell me where about in Titchfield it was? I have been looking at a map (honest) but cannot see it on there. There is Holly Hill Farm, Holly Hill Club and Rose Cottage but not the ‘House’! Is it by any chance the Farm or Club? Also, if it is not too much of an imposition, could someone tell me what/where the “Common Gates” would be around Titchfield? I have an Elizabeth KING who married a William STUR(N)MEY in 1838 and she gives her address as this. Thanks if you have read this far, I greatly appreciate any and all help. Richard Parsons -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 08/07/2005 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 08/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 08/07/2005

Dear Richard, In 1859 Holly Hill (no modifier) was a neat mansion in a beautiful park, the country seat of Lord William Henry Hugh Cholmondeley, CB, MP for South Hants. 1852-57. In 1875 it was the seat of Capt. Maxse, R.N.; in 1898-1911 it was home to plain old George Winn. Regards, David

Dear Richard, depending on the status of whoever you're researching, I would plump for 'Holly Hill Mansion', its drive runs west from Barnes Lane and it sits just south of the Cemetery in Holly Hill Woodland Park. All Southampton SO31 of course. Regards, David

Hello again Listers, I have returned to yet again plead for help with a couple of questions. A Holly Hill House? Could someone tell me where about in Titchfield it was? I have been looking at a map (honest) but cannot see it on there. There is Holly Hill Farm, Holly Hill Club and Rose Cottage but not the ‘House’! Is it by any chance the Farm or Club? Also, if it is not too much of an imposition, could someone tell me what/where the “Common Gates” would be around Titchfield? I have an Elizabeth KING who married a William STUR(N)MEY in 1838 and she gives her address as this. Thanks if you have read this far, I greatly appreciate any and all help. Richard Parsons -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 08/07/2005

Great help, thanks Dorothy. -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy Spence [mailto:rottimum@telus.net] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2005 1:20 PM To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] McDonald Graham, Please excuse me butting in but I now order my certificates through www.gro.gov.uk and I get them in about 10 days here in Canada so it shouldn't be much difference going to Oz. You can order over the net and they charge 7 pounds for each. I hope this helps. Dorothy, Calgary, Canada -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Linda and Tony I have found who I think to be my great great grand father and mother on the IGI: John McDonald - christened 9 Jan 1820 St Mary's Portsea (Batch No. C062613) Jane Martin - 2 possibilities for christening - 11 Jun 1826 (Batch No. C062614) or 01 May 1829 (Batch No. C062614), both St Mary's Portsea Married - 27 April 1846 St Mary's Portsea (Batch No. M062613) I would greatly appreciate any help you could give such as: 1. 1841 and 1851 census records 2. parish records 3. Where to visit in Hampshire to do some research (I'll be there in 3 weeks on holiday) 4. The quickest way to get their marriage certificate and Jane's death certificate (it takes 6 weeks through my local society and I would like it before I leave) Kind Regards Grahame -----Original Message----- From: Knightroots@aol.com [mailto:Knightroots@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 8:52 PM To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] McDonald Grahame if they were christened in St Mary' Portsea they should be on the IGI at _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) but the date/s could be anytime from birth to adulthood. If you find any dates that fit in with census info etc we will check them out for you and possibly help wih more address info for them. Hope this helps,Linda and Tony writes: Alan Thanks for your e-mail. I don't have anything concrete but believe they were both christened in St Mary's Portsea. Hope this helps and sorry for not including it in my earlier e-mail. Kind Regards Grahame -----Original Message----- From: Alan McGowan [mailto:mcgoa@lineone.net] Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 8:42 PM To: glmcdonald@hn.ozemail.com.au Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census - McDonald Which area do you expect them to be in? Do you have any birthplaces or places of residence from other census entries or certificates? The 1851 census index for Hampshire has a separate index for each parish, so there are about 300 separate indexes to check. Alan McGowan Hampshire Family History Site http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame McDonald" <glmcdonald@hn.ozemail.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census - McDonald Dear List I am hoping that someone who has access to the 1851 Census would be kind enough to look-up my great-great grandfather. Details would be: John McDonald - age approx 31 years Jane McDonald - age approx 24 years Sarah Jane McDonald - age approx 3 years (Possibly) John McDonald - age approx 1 year Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Grahame Sydney, Australia ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi If anyone has access to the 1851 census for Southampton could they please do a lookup for the following family James H LOCK(E) born c1809 in Southampton Eliza LOCK(E) born c1804 in Southampton I would like to know who is living with them. Thanks in advance Jeanette

Hi I am trying to find out information for my brother in law about his grandmother Gladys Etheline GREENIDGE who was born in 1902 in Southampton. I have yet to discover her parents. My brother in law has not yet ordered her birth certificate. If anyone has any links to the GREENIDGE family, then we would love to hear from you. Best wishes Jeanette

Graham, Everything your looking for is held at Hants Records office in Winchester. (Except copies of the certificates) See Link Below. http://www.hants.gov.uk/record-office/ Re the certificates. An original copy of the marriage certificate will be on microfiche within the parish register. The GRO will produce a copy for you for £7.00 or you can get a copy for £1.00 at the records office ( It could be less than that, ok won't be on the fancy paper but will have all the info your looking for). The death certificate can be ordered from the GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp If you use this link it will take you straight to the order page however you'll need either the index number or the death date. Kind Regards Steve Day -----Original Message----- From: Grahame McDonald [mailto:glmcdonald@hn.ozemail.com.au] Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:06 AM To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] McDonald Linda and Tony I have found who I think to be my great great grand father and mother on the IGI: John McDonald - christened 9 Jan 1820 St Mary's Portsea (Batch No. C062613) Jane Martin - 2 possibilities for christening - 11 Jun 1826 (Batch No. C062614) or 01 May 1829 (Batch No. C062614), both St Mary's Portsea Married - 27 April 1846 St Mary's Portsea (Batch No. M062613) I would greatly appreciate any help you could give such as: 1. 1841 and 1851 census records 2. parish records 3. Where to visit in Hampshire to do some research (I'll be there in 3 weeks on holiday) 4. The quickest way to get their marriage certificate and Jane's death certificate (it takes 6 weeks through my local society and I would like it before I leave) Kind Regards Grahame -----Original Message----- From: Knightroots@aol.com [mailto:Knightroots@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 8:52 PM To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] McDonald Grahame if they were christened in St Mary' Portsea they should be on the IGI at _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) but the date/s could be anytime from birth to adulthood. If you find any dates that fit in with census info etc we will check them out for you and possibly help wih more address info for them. Hope this helps,Linda and Tony writes: Alan Thanks for your e-mail. I don't have anything concrete but believe they were both christened in St Mary's Portsea. Hope this helps and sorry for not including it in my earlier e-mail. Kind Regards Grahame -----Original Message----- From: Alan McGowan [mailto:mcgoa@lineone.net] Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 8:42 PM To: glmcdonald@hn.ozemail.com.au Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census - McDonald Which area do you expect them to be in? Do you have any birthplaces or places of residence from other census entries or certificates? The 1851 census index for Hampshire has a separate index for each parish, so there are about 300 separate indexes to check. Alan McGowan Hampshire Family History Site http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame McDonald" <glmcdonald@hn.ozemail.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census - McDonald Dear List I am hoping that someone who has access to the 1851 Census would be kind enough to look-up my great-great grandfather. Details would be: John McDonald - age approx 31 years Jane McDonald - age approx 24 years Sarah Jane McDonald - age approx 3 years (Possibly) John McDonald - age approx 1 year Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Grahame Sydney, Australia ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi, Peruse some old maps, you may find it there... Good Luck, Edna - Ottawa --------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Parsons" <cu22@gfor6.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Help needed... Hello again Listers, I have returned to yet again plead for help with a couple of questions. A Holly Hill House? Could someone tell me where about in Titchfield it was? I have been looking at a map (honest) but cannot see it on there. There is Holly Hill Farm, Holly Hill Club and Rose Cottage but not the ‘House’! Is it by any chance the Farm or Club? Also, if it is not too much of an imposition, could someone tell me what/where the “Common Gates” would be around Titchfield? I have an Elizabeth KING who married a William STUR(N)MEY in 1838 and she gives her address as this. Thanks if you have read this far, I greatly appreciate any and all help. Richard Parsons -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 08/07/2005 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I am hoping some kind person will be able to find Edwin GURD for me in the 1851 Census and maybe also his father William. According to his marriage details and the Censuses Edwin was born in about 1830. Edwin married in 1854 3.4.1854 Register Office Southampton Edwin Gurd age 24; bachelor; Painter; of 1 Northam St; father - William Gurd (occupation - Brewer) Margaret Dickman; age 25; widow; of 1 Northam St; father - Charles Whatley (Cordwainer) In the 1861 and 1871 Censuses Edwin says he was born in Ludwell, Wilts (Ludwell is part of Donhead St Mary). I can't find Edwin or his father William in Wiltshire in 1841 or 1851. 1861 Census Southampton , Hants 24 Amoy Street Edwin Gurd; Head; 31; House Decorator; b. Ludwell, Wilts Margaret Gurd; Wife; 31; b. Southampton, Hants Margaret Whatley; M in Law; Wid; 60; b. Southampton, Hants John Whitehorn; Lodger; Single; 20; Gardener; b. Southampton, Hants 1871 Census Southampton , Hants 3 Amoy Street Edwin Gurd; Head; 41; Painter; b. Ludwell, Wilts Margaret Gurd; Wife; 41; b. Southampton, Hants William E Gurd; 7; b. Southampton, Hants Jane E Prosser; Lodger; Single; 76; Annuity and Dividends; b. Portsea, Hants Many thanks in advance Dot Salisbury, Wilts

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Graham, Please excuse me butting in but I now order my certificates through www.gro.gov.uk and I get them in about 10 days here in Canada so it shouldn't be much difference going to Oz. You can order over the net and they charge 7 pounds for each. I hope this helps. Dorothy, Calgary, Canada -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005

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Thank you VERY MUCH all ages appear ok BUT Wife 1861 Elizabeth Morris aged 33 born Basingstoke Wife 1871 Elizabeth Morris aged 35 born Basingstoke Wife 1881 Elizabeth Morris aged 51 born Basingstoke VERY ODD?? Have you please the following The address they lived at ?? The Census Ref ie RG10 Piece No. ?? and Folio no.??? Page no?? as I shall be visiting the area shortly. Thanks John