Would be nice to have the 1901 also if possible Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Lookup 1891 > Hello Could SKS with the 1891 Census look up Alfred Ernest Newell. Portsea > > Regards Bob Newell > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Hello Could SKS with the 1891 Census look up Alfred Ernest Newell. Portsea Regards Bob Newell

Dear Richard I do believe Landford was once in Hampshire. When my parents moved there in the '60's the border was much further down than it is today. Best Sarah

Hi Karen, try bsaph@tiscali.co.uk the other should be OK though. Look forward to hearing from you. Regards Barbara

Hello Barbara, I tried to reply to you offline but your email address keeps bouncing. Have some information for you in Swansea and Wiltshire if you would like to respond to me direct. Cheers Karenn -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Saph [mailto:barbara.saph@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, 11 July 2005 3:54 AM To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] SAPH family brickwall I have a real needle in haystack situation and I would be most grateful if members of the list could keep this name, SAPH, in mind when looking through any parish records or census records (except Stapleford, Wilts, I have those records). I am still looking for the following information: 1-SAPH, James c 1801 need record of the birth/ parents (not in Stapleford) , he is supposed to have been born in Jersey, but there is no record of him there. I believe that he is the son of Daniel & Elizabeth SAPH, but alas no proof, this one is the major, major brickwall. I also believe there is a family link with the licensed trade, James was a publican in Swansea later in his life. 2- SAPH, Daniel need date & place of death. He was baptised 25/09/1768 in Stapleford, Wilts. He lived in Lymington, Hants at the time of his marriage to Elizabeth RUSSELL in Whiteparish, Wilts., 08/03/1796 and was described at marriage as a gentleman. Witness to marriage Sarah COLE & James RUSSELL. 3- SAPH, nee RUSSELL ,Elizabeth wife of Daniel. Need date & Place of death. She may have been baptised in Whiteparish 26/12/1766 d/o Richard RUSSELL 4- Any references to SAPH, William born 01/01/1797, & SAPH, Daniel Edwin born 04/01/1799(children of Daniel & Elizabeth), both children baptised at South Stoneham 14/09/1800 . No trace, so far ,after this date. I have checked some GRO years records. Sorry this is rather long. Thanking you for any information in advance, anything will be very much appreciated. Regards Barbara ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

1851 Census H107 1536 page 371 13 Upper John Street, Shoreditch, London William ROBINSON, age 37, Baker, born Gosport, Hampshire Arabella ROBINSON, wife, age 33, born Cheshunt, Hertfordshire Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1536 page 351 8 Gloster Place, Shoreditch, London Mary GIBBS, Visitor, widow, age 72, Annuitant, born Southampton Linda Tasmania, Australia

I have a real needle in haystack situation and I would be most grateful if members of the list could keep this name, SAPH, in mind when looking through any parish records or census records (except Stapleford, Wilts, I have those records). I am still looking for the following information: 1-SAPH, James c 1801 need record of the birth/ parents (not in Stapleford) , he is supposed to have been born in Jersey, but there is no record of him there. I believe that he is the son of Daniel & Elizabeth SAPH, but alas no proof, this one is the major, major brickwall. I also believe there is a family link with the licensed trade, James was a publican in Swansea later in his life. 2- SAPH, Daniel need date & place of death. He was baptised 25/09/1768 in Stapleford, Wilts. He lived in Lymington, Hants at the time of his marriage to Elizabeth RUSSELL in Whiteparish, Wilts., 08/03/1796 and was described at marriage as a gentleman. Witness to marriage Sarah COLE & James RUSSELL. 3- SAPH, nee RUSSELL ,Elizabeth wife of Daniel. Need date & Place of death. She may have been baptised in Whiteparish 26/12/1766 d/o Richard RUSSELL 4- Any references to SAPH, William born 01/01/1797, & SAPH, Daniel Edwin born 04/01/1799(children of Daniel & Elizabeth), both children baptised at South Stoneham 14/09/1800 . No trace, so far ,after this date. I have checked some GRO years records. Sorry this is rather long. Thanking you for any information in advance, anything will be very much appreciated. Regards Barbara

Thanks for trying Alan Maybe he's somewhere else in Hampshire as he left Wiltshire before 1851 I'll check on the reference you gave just in case his age was noted wrongly. With luck he will be with his father William Regards Dot > He is not in the HGS 1851 Census Index for Southampton. > There is an Edmund Gurd aged 30 at HO 107/1669 folio 407. > > Alan McGowan > Hampshire Family History Site http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:00 AM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census Edwin GURD > > I am hoping some kind person will be able to find Edwin GURD for me in the > 1851 Census and maybe also his father William. > According to his marriage details and the Censuses Edwin was born in about > 1830. > > Edwin married in 1854 > 3.4.1854 Register Office Southampton > Edwin Gurd age 24; bachelor; Painter; of 1 Northam St; father - William > Gurd (occupation - Brewer) > Margaret Dickman; age 25; widow; of 1 Northam St; father - Charles Whatley > (Cordwainer) > > In the 1861 and 1871 Censuses Edwin says he was born in Ludwell, Wilts > (Ludwell is part of Donhead St Mary). I can't find Edwin or his father > William in Wiltshire in 1841 or 1851. > > 1861 Census Southampton , Hants > 24 Amoy Street > Edwin Gurd; Head; 31; House Decorator; b. Ludwell, Wilts > Margaret Gurd; Wife; 31; b. Southampton, Hants > Margaret Whatley; M in Law; Wid; 60; b. Southampton, Hants > John Whitehorn; Lodger; Single; 20; Gardener; b. Southampton, Hants

1851 Census H107 1536 page 283 11 Canton Terrace, Shoreditch, London George MARSHALL, age 30, Butcher, born Isle of Wight Charlotte MARSHALL, wife, age 28, born London Hannah MARSHALL, dau, age 2, born London 1851 Census H107 1536 page 307 15 Gloster Street, Shoreditch, London Richard MOORE, age 40, Musician, born Devonport, Devon Eliza MOORE, wife, age 41, Pianist, born Gosport, Hampshire Maria L. MOORE, dau, age 14, Servant, born Portsea, Hampshire Elizabeth MOORE, dau, age 9, scholar, born Edinburgh Fanny M. MOORE, dau, age 4, born Shoreditch Richard MOORE, son, age 2, born Islington, Middlesex Mary A. MOORE, dau, age 1 month, born Hoxton, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

Sorry David just rechecked the map and it was Emsworth!! Found a reference to the pound at Titchfield Common but nothing else. Cheers for that Chris David DOWD wrote: > Dear Chris & Caroline, > I'm not aware of a Holly Hill Woods near Havant, but then I don't know > that area at all - there is a Hollybank just over the border in > Emsworth, though. No, the Holly Hill Woodland Park is between > Warsash and Sarisbury and was within Titchfield Parish - other > correspondents have mentioned that the Mansion there has been > refurbished after a fire. > Regarding Richard's other query, 'Common Gates' - there were 'Pound > Gates' (i.e., those that coralled stray animals) for Titchfield Common > and these are commemorated in Pound Gate Drive to the southwest of the > Common. > Regards, David > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. > Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 09/07/2005

There is an excellent website at http://www.ukgraves.info/ Which give photos of the cemeteries in SOUTHAMPTON and other places which some people may find interesting. NOTE: this does not list individual graves Chris SOUTHERNLIFE(UK) Home to the villages of the South of England http://southernlife.org.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 09/07/2005

Hi! All, My wifes G/m Lizzie LUCAS, married William COLLINS in Sept. 1892 at Cricklade,Wilts.In 1901 census for Ogbourne Maisey,Wilts William COLLINS[42] born Binstead Hants and Eliza COLLINS[32]born Cricklade,and 5 children. Problem!!. I cannot find a Eliza LUCAS born Cricklade in 1881but on the 1881 list from LDS there is an Eliza LUCAS born Binstead in 1859 the correct birthyear.and it seems co-incidental,that husband is born in same place. I,m new to list, can SKS give me detales of COLLINS and LUCAS from Binstead area. Alf Armadale Western Australia

Hi I don't appear to have had a copy of the email I sent to the list yesterday so was wandering if it reached its destination! Here goes again, fingers crossed. If anyone has access to the 1851 census for Southampton could they please do a lookup for the following family James H LOCK(E) born c1809 in Southampton Eliza LOCK(E) born c1804 in Southampton I would like to know who is living with them. Thanks in advance Jeanette

Thanks again All, the help is always appreciated. >>Nothing found about the gates even on our history of the village and >>surrounding area at http://southernlife.org.uk/titchfie.htm Chris And an excellent site it is too Chris... I have found a "House" which actually looks like the one I am searching for, in the 1851 for in Landford, Wiltshire. There is an Alexander GRIERSON, Bart. et al living there. Also in the parish are a number of KING Family groups, with (Lo and Behold!) a Harriet KING aged 2, who it transpires is the same in all respects (except where born) to the child (niece) living with William & Elizabeth in "HHH" in 1861. Being so close to the 'border', could it have been in Hampshire at that time perhaps? It is approximately 11 miles from Southampton. Thanks all, Richard -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 08/07/2005

Dear Chris & Caroline, I'm not aware of a Holly Hill Woods near Havant, but then I don't know that area at all - there is a Hollybank just over the border in Emsworth, though. No, the Holly Hill Woodland Park is between Warsash and Sarisbury and was within Titchfield Parish - other correspondents have mentioned that the Mansion there has been refurbished after a fire. Regarding Richard's other query, 'Common Gates' - there were 'Pound Gates' (i.e., those that coralled stray animals) for Titchfield Common and these are commemorated in Pound Gate Drive to the southwest of the Common. Regards, David

I am aware that it is "not the done thing" to advertise on this list but I hope I will be forgiven. A friend has come into a number of old Ordnance Survey maps which may be of use to researchers. They are mainly Seventh Series (1959/60) and there are several each of 167 (Salisbury), 168 (Winchester), 179 (Bournemouth) and 180 (Southampton). These maps have much more information pertinent to genealogists than the more recent issues. They are for sale at £3.00 each plus £0.50 for postage. On a "first come, first served" basis, if anyone wants a map please contact me with your name and postal address and I will pass request to the vendor. Colyn.

I'm searching for George & Mary Ann Coombs/Coombes and sons James born 1877 and John born 1879 Droxford. In 1881 Census they were lliving Great Houchin St Bishops Waltam. They were farm labourers. I have searched Free BMD and cannot find births but did locate marriage of George and Mary in Southampton. If someone has access to Ancestry 1901 census would appreciate look-up for family. Thanks, Rose

Richard Holly Hill is in Sarisbury - but originally part of the parish of Titchfield. The mansion house was mainly destroyed in a fire but has been refurbished and is now luxury apartments. The grounds have been extensively landscaped and now form a woodland park with lakes. Linda & Tony Richard Parsons wrote: >Hello again Listers, >I have returned to yet again plead for help with a couple of questions. > >A Holly Hill House? Could someone tell me where about in Titchfield it >was? >I have been looking at a map (honest) but cannot see it on there. There >is Holly Hill Farm, Holly Hill Club and Rose Cottage but not the >'House'! >Is it by any chance the Farm or Club? > >Also, if it is not too much of an imposition, could someone tell me >what/where the "Common Gates" would be around Titchfield? >I have an Elizabeth KING who married a William STUR(N)MEY in 1838 and >she gives her address as this. > >Thanks if you have read this far, I greatly appreciate any and all help. > >Richard Parsons > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 08/07/2005 ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

1851 Census H107 1536 page 259 11 Myrtle Street, Shoreditch, London John DENNETT, age 23, Warehouseman, born Beaulieu, Hampshire Jane DENNETT, wife, age 33, born Woodstock, Oxfordshire Linda Tasmania, Australia