Hi Listers I have already posted this message on the Southampton list but thought I would try here also as you can never have too much help. I have been trying in vain for some years to solve a riddle regarding my great grandmother and would welcome any assistance no matter how small you can give. The information I know to be true is that when she married my great grandfather, Charles THORN in 1890, her name was given as Alice Phillips FORD aged 26 and her father was Joseph FORD (deceased). The marriage was witnessed by Katie FORD (who I presume is a sister) and Ernest NICHOLLS. I have been unable to trace anyone on the 1881 census by that name and likewise have drawn a blank on the BDM fiches at the local library. Now it starts to get a little confusing...... I have found on the 1881 census, living at 39 Amoy Street, Southampton with the family of William SAUNDERS, a Jane FORD and among her children are listed a Katy Sarah FORD and an Alice PHILLIPSON. Furthermore I have found the IGI record for Catherine Sarah FORD with parents Joseph FORD and Jane Sarah (tantalisingly no surname - typical!) so I am pretty sure this is my family. However I have drawn a blank searching for both Alice PHILLIPS and PHILLIPSON on the BDM fiches. I have thought of the possibility that Jane Sarah may be a sister of William SAUNDERS but have also drawn a blank searching for the marriage of Jane Sarah SAUNDERS to a PHILLIPS (at the right time) on the fiches and IGI. What I need now is a way to confirm all of this and tie up the loose ends. This is where I hope that sks out there can help. TIA Andrew Thorn Researching: THORN OSMAN MUNDAY FORD MARSH GRANT

----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Look up 1891 > Could SKS please look for Henry NEWELL b 9 Dec 1876 Portsmouth to Stephen > and Mary in the 1891 Census please. > > Thanks Bob Newell

Could SKS please look for Henry NEWELL b 9 Dec 1876 Portsmouth to Stephen and Mary in the 1891 Census please. Thanks Bob Newell

Thanks for trying Dot your a pal Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Henry NEWELL Look up > on 18/7/05 11:58 am, bob.newell@ntlworld.com at bob.newell@ntlworld.com > wrote: > >> My apologies Dot I have 1901 he was 24 at Grenville Rd need 1891 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk> >> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Henry NEWELL Look up >> > That's OK Bob > > The trouble is that according to 1891 Ancestry there are only two born in > Hampshire at roughly the right time and neither of them are yours. > Obviously > their "creative" indexing has struck again. > > Maybe if you put the request on the List again someone with an 1891 Disc > set > will be able to find him > > Sorry I can't help > > Dot > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

on 18/7/05 11:58 am, bob.newell@ntlworld.com at bob.newell@ntlworld.com wrote: > My apologies Dot I have 1901 he was 24 at Grenville Rd need 1891 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Henry NEWELL Look up > That's OK Bob The trouble is that according to 1891 Ancestry there are only two born in Hampshire at roughly the right time and neither of them are yours. Obviously their "creative" indexing has struck again. Maybe if you put the request on the List again someone with an 1891 Disc set will be able to find him Sorry I can't help Dot

Andy: I don't know if you have the information already or if it's of any help to you, but there is an Alice P. Thorn age 27 on the 1891 census living in Hound, Scholing St. Mary, Hampshire with her daughter Jane M. Thorn. She is reflected as married, but no husband is living with her. Next door though is a George Thorn and his wife plus family. It shows Alice and daughter as being born in Southampton, so you might be on the right track for the individuals you found on the 1881 census. Julie in San Diego At 12:40 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: >Hi Listers > > > >I have already posted this message on the Southampton list but thought I >would try here also as you can never have too much help. > > > >I have been trying in vain for some years to solve a riddle regarding my >great grandmother and would welcome any assistance no matter how small you >can give. > > > >The information I know to be true is that when she married my great >grandfather, Charles THORN in 1890, her name was given as Alice Phillips >FORD aged 26 and her father was Joseph FORD (deceased). The marriage was >witnessed by Katie FORD (who I presume is a sister) and Ernest NICHOLLS. > > > >I have been unable to trace anyone on the 1881 census by that name and >likewise have drawn a blank on the BDM fiches at the local library. > > > >Now it starts to get a little confusing...... > > > >I have found on the 1881 census, living at 39 Amoy Street, Southampton with >the family of William SAUNDERS, a Jane FORD and among her children are >listed a Katy Sarah FORD and an Alice PHILLIPSON. Furthermore I have found >the IGI record for Catherine Sarah FORD with parents Joseph FORD and Jane >Sarah (tantalisingly no surname - typical!) so I am pretty sure this is my >family. However I have drawn a blank searching for both Alice PHILLIPS and >PHILLIPSON on the BDM fiches. > > > >I have thought of the possibility that Jane Sarah may be a sister of William >SAUNDERS but have also drawn a blank searching for the marriage of Jane >Sarah SAUNDERS to a PHILLIPS (at the right time) on the fiches and IGI. > > > >What I need now is a way to confirm all of this and tie up the loose ends. >This is where I hope that sks out there can help. > > > >TIA > > > >Andrew Thorn > > > >Researching: > >THORN > >OSMAN > >MUNDAY > >FORD > >MARSH > >GRANT > >

My apologies Dot I have 1901 he was 24 at Grenville Rd need 1891 ----- Original Message ----- From: <gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Henry NEWELL Look up > There is only one Henry Newell in 1901 who was born in Portsmouth but his > birth year was 1872. Image sent in case he is the right one > > Dot > > > on 18/7/05 11:16 am, bob.newell@ntlworld.com at bob.newell@ntlworld.com > wrote: > >> Would SKS look to see where Henry NEWELL b 9 Dec 1867 Portsmouth was in >> 1901 >> Census. >> >> Bob Newell >> > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

There is only one Henry Newell in 1901 who was born in Portsmouth but his birth year was 1872. Image sent in case he is the right one Dot on 18/7/05 11:16 am, bob.newell@ntlworld.com at bob.newell@ntlworld.com wrote: > Would SKS look to see where Henry NEWELL b 9 Dec 1867 Portsmouth was in 1901 > Census. > > Bob Newell >

Would SKS look to see where Henry NEWELL b 9 Dec 1867 Portsmouth was in 1901 Census. Bob Newell

1851 Census H107 1536 page 769 and 770 8 Devonshire Terrace, New North Road, Shoreditch, London Thomas FOSTER, age 42, Licenced Victualler, born Kingsclere, Hampshire Martha FOSTER, wife, age 32, born Hammersmith, Middlesex Louisa FOSTER, dau, age 9, At Home, born Kingsland, Middlesex Mary Ann FOSTER, dau, age 8, At Home, born Kingsland, Middlesex Fanny FOSTER, dau, age 6, At Home, born Hoxton, Middlesex John FOSTER, son, age 4, At Home, born Hoxton, Middlesex Alfred FOSTER, son, age 2, At Home, born Hoxton, Middlesex Eliza FOSTER, dau, age 9 months, At Home, born Hoxton, Middlesex Ann BOOTH, Visitor, unmarried, age 23, Milliner, born Ecchinswell, Hampshire Linda Tasmania, Australia

G'day Alan, Okay! Thomas the elder (b. 1821) gives his birth place in 1861 and 1881 as Basing or Old Basing. Thomas the younger (b.1844), who I am hoping is my ggrandfather, has given his birth place as Bramley in 1861 (he was living in Lower Wootton at the time, age 16) and 1871 also as Bramley, even though I have his birth certificate which was registered in Whitley in Berkshire??. Elizabeth's birth was also registered in Whitley. I have a feeling the family moved between Hampshire and Berkshire. If nothing can be found in the 1851 census for Hampshire, maybe they were in Berkshire in the 1851 census. Appreciate the time you have put in to answer my query. Noela In a very cool Brisbane, Australia Noela Stallard Email greennoela@uqconnect.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan McGowan [mailto:mcgoa@lineone.net] > Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2005 8:42 PM > To: greennoela@uqconnect.net > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census for BOURNE > > > There are no BOURNE entries in Volume 5 of the HGS 1851 > Census Index, which covers Silchester, Wootton St Lawrence, > Monk Sherborne, Church Oakley, Worting, Bramley, Pamber, Deane. > > What do the later census returns give as birthplaces for the > family members? > > Alan McGowan > Hampshire Family History Site http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GREENNOELA" <greennoela@uqconnect.net> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:56 AM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census for BOURNE > > Hello Everyone, > > I'm looking for a Thomas BOURNE (BOURN) aged ca.30 in the > 1851 census. In 1861 and 1881 he was living at the Railway > Crossing in Silchester. Possibly with him a daughter > Elizabeth, about 5 and a son Thomas about 7. Does anyone > have access to the 1851 census who might be able to look for > this Thomas? > > Cheers > > Noela > > >

1851 Census H107 1536 page 747 and 748 1 Bridport Place, Shoreditch, London James WOODS, age 35, Baker and General Dealer, born Brockenhurst, Hampshire Mary E. WOODS, wife, age 32, born St Brides London Mary WOODS, dau, age 7, born Bermondsey Matilda WOODS, dau, age 5, born Westminster James WOODS, son, age 3, born Westminster 1851 Census H107 1536 page 751 11 Bridport Place, Shoreditch, London Thomas HEWETT, age 24, Letter Carrier, born Odiham, Hampshire Harriet HEWETT, wife, age 30, born Finchley, Middlesex Thomas HEWETT, son, age 3 months, born Hoxton, Middlesex Robert HEWETT, Brother Visitor, unmarried, age 30, Letter Carrier, born Odiham, Hampshire Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1536 page 596 12 Nicholas Street, Shoreditch, London William BALCHIN, Lodger, unmarried, age 28, Printer Compositor, born Portsmouth, Hants 1851 Census H107 1536 page 624 90 Nicholas Street, Shoreditch, London George WILLIAMS, age 25, Warehouseman Bookseller, born Gosport, Hampshire Selina WILLIAMS, wife, age 20, born Devonport, Devon George WILLIAMS, son, age 1, born Hoxton, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1536 page 487 21 Ivy Lane, Shoreditch, London Edward DANGERFIELD, Lodger, married, age 27, Porter, born Marlboro', Wiltshire Mary DANGERFIELD, wife, age 26, born Bentley, Hampshire William DANGERFIELD, son, age 2, born Bentley, Hampshire Emma DANGERFIELD, Visitor, unmarried, age 29, Servant, born Marlboro', Wiltshire 1851 Census H107 1536 page 551 3 Grantham Terrace, Shoreditch, London Samuel WELLS, age 49, Tape Measure Maker, born St Giles in the Fields, Middlesex Mary WELLS, wife, age 48, Gentlemans Collar Maker, born Isle of Wight Mary WELLS, dau, age 14, scholar, born St Lukes, Middlesex Eliza WELLS, dau, age 11, scholar, born St Lukes, Middlesex Samuel WELLS, son, age 2, born St Lukes, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hello Everyone, I'm looking for a Thomas BOURNE (BOURN) aged ca.30 in the 1851 census. In 1861 and 1881 he was living at the Railway Crossing in Silchester. Possibly with him a daughter Elizabeth, about 5 and a son Thomas about 7. Does anyone have access to the 1851 census who might be able to look for this Thomas? Cheers Noela

1851 Census H107 1536 page 465 11 Queens Place, Shoreditch, London Jane SHEPHERD, wife, age 41, Needlewoman, born Kingsclere, Hampshire Jane Martha SHEPHERD, dau, age 17, Dolls Wig Maker, born Paddington, Middlesex James SHEPHERD, son, age 10, Errand Boy, born Bloomsbury, Middlesex Elizabeth Ann SHEPHERD, dau, age 1, born Shoreditch Linda Tasmania, Australia

Have sent image direct to Bob! Cheers Jennifer IN OZ

Could someone tell me how much it is to purchase the census discs as it gets a bit embarrassing to keep asking for lookups. Bob

Would SKS look on the 1901 census for John Henry NEWBOLD b 1870 Cork, Ireland. Census probably Alverstoke Gosport. Thanks Bob Newell

I too am looking for the name COLLINS - I have a William George COLLINS who was born about 1838 and whose father was James COLLINS - All I know is that he married my Margaretta Lavinia LEWIS 29 Jun 1862 at St. Mary's Portsea. Any information on this family would be much appreciated. Kind regards Angie Greenhalgh ----- Original Message ----- From: "alf bushnell" <bushnell@amitar.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] COLLINS > Hi! Listers, > Can SKS give me any information on George COLLINS, born > Binstead around 1860.We believe he was head gardener at the Sandhurst > Military Academy and had wife Martha ,nee LUCAS ,no children. > Alf Armadale WA > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >