Dear List, In 1861 my great great grandmother (Jane McDonald) was in the Portsea Island Union Workhouse. As I'll be in Portsea in just over a week I was wondering if anyone knows: 1. its address 2. if the building still exists Many Thanks Grahame McDonald Researching: McDonald, Martin, Knight and Cleife (?)

Can someone help me trace a relationship between Thomas, William and John SHADWELL of Ovington and Alresford all born about 1800. Are they all sons of Richard and Hannah Shadwell? And is there any possible connection of Edward and Elijah SHADWELL of Old Alresford. If someone is going anywhere near the records office in Winchester would they be kind enough to have a quick look? Thank you very much Peter Cooper 38 Princess Road SWANAGE Dorset BH19 1JQ +44 (0) 1929 424428 www.spyway.co.uk +44 (0) 1929 424428 www.spyway.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 267.9.4 - Release Date: 22/07/05

See the links to Portsea Island Union Workhouse at http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory/poorlaw.html Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame McDonald" <glmcdonald@hn.ozemail.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Portsea Island Union Workhouse Dear List, In 1861 my great great grandmother (Jane McDonald) was in the Portsea Island Union Workhouse. As I'll be in Portsea in just over a week I was wondering if anyone knows: 1. its address 2. if the building still exists Many Thanks Grahame McDonald Researching: McDonald, Martin, Knight and Cleife (?) ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

In a message dated 25/07/2005 12:21:17 GMT Standard Time, bob.newell@ntlworld.com writes: The Workhouse still stands but is now been converted into housing Not so Bob - the main workhouse building is in the grounds of St Marys Hospital. A picture of it (and also the old Isolation Hospital which stands on the opposite side of the road) can be seen at _www.knightroots.co.uk_ (http://www.knightroots.co.uk) - click on "Historic Hants" and then "Portsmouth,Portsea & Southsea" Use the arrow at the top right once the page has fully loaded and shortly after Eastney pumping station, you will find the Isolation Hospital and the Workhouse. There are over 500 photos which we have taken ourselves of various old Hampshire places. Linda & Tony

Thanks to everyone from the various lists who has responded to my 'Nurse Child' query. I don't think I have ever had so many responses to a single question. Alan Siddorn ---------- Not exactly a location specific census topic but I think the question could apply to any part of the country so I will go ahead and ask. I am looking at a page from the 1871 census and am slightly puzzled. On the census form (RG10/3714 page 37) in Bunbury, Cheshire are Samuel SIDDORNS age 75, his wife Ellen SIDDORNS age 65 and William SIDDORNS age 3 who in the column for Relation to Head of Family appears to have G Child and Nurse Child both entered against his name. I have never seen Nurse Child on a census form before and wondered if anyone had any ideas or information about the meaning of it. Also at the same address is a William CLARK who rather unfortunately for him is described as 'Ruptured'.

The Workhouse still stands but is now been converted into housing. It is in St Mary's road opposite the Prison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Ball" <terry_ball@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:48 AM Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] Portsea Island Union Workhouse > Hi Graham > > There is a good piece on the Portsea Island Workhouse on the Rossbret > Institutions Website at > www.institutions.org.uk/workhouses/england/hants/portsmouth_workhouse.htm. > > The Portsea Island Union Workhouse and Portsea Island Union Workhouse > Infirmary became known as St Mary's Hospital c1930. It was situated in > Milton Street, Portsmouth but I do not know if it is still standing. > > Regards, > > Terry > > > > >>From: "Grahame McDonald" <glmcdonald@hn.ozemail.com.au> >>Reply-To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >>To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Portsea Island Union Workhouse >>Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:18:29 +1000 >> >>Dear List, >> >> >> >>In 1861 my great great grandmother (Jane McDonald) was in the Portsea >>Island >>Union Workhouse. >> >> >> >>As I'll be in Portsea in just over a week I was wondering if anyone knows: >> >> >> >>1. its address >>2. if the building still exists >> >> >> >>Many Thanks >> >> >> >>Grahame McDonald >> >> >> >>Researching: McDonald, Martin, Knight and Cleife (?) >> >> >> >>============================== >>Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

I think you will find the hospital is still standing at Milton Road butw hether any of the old buildings are there I can't say. Put St Mary's Hospital Portsea in Google and it comes up with Milton Road as the address. Chris Terry Ball wrote: > Hi Graham > > There is a good piece on the Portsea Island Workhouse on the Rossbret > Institutions Website at > www.institutions.org.uk/workhouses/england/hants/portsmouth_workhouse.htm. > > > The Portsea Island Union Workhouse and Portsea Island Union Workhouse > Infirmary became known as St Mary's Hospital c1930. It was situated in > Milton Street, Portsmouth but I do not know if it is still standing. > > Regards, > > Terry > > > > >> From: "Grahame McDonald" <glmcdonald@hn.ozemail.com.au> >> Reply-To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >> To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Portsea Island Union Workhouse >> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:18:29 +1000 >> >> Dear List, >> >> >> >> In 1861 my great great grandmother (Jane McDonald) was in the Portsea >> Island >> Union Workhouse. >> >> >> >> As I'll be in Portsea in just over a week I was wondering if anyone >> knows: >> >> >> >> 1. its address >> 2. if the building still exists >> >> >> >> Many Thanks >> >> >> >> Grahame McDonald >> >> >> >> Researching: McDonald, Martin, Knight and Cleife (?) >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005

Hi Graham There is a good piece on the Portsea Island Workhouse on the Rossbret Institutions Website at www.institutions.org.uk/workhouses/england/hants/portsmouth_workhouse.htm. The Portsea Island Union Workhouse and Portsea Island Union Workhouse Infirmary became known as St Mary's Hospital c1930. It was situated in Milton Street, Portsmouth but I do not know if it is still standing. Regards, Terry >From: "Grahame McDonald" <glmcdonald@hn.ozemail.com.au> >Reply-To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Portsea Island Union Workhouse >Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:18:29 +1000 > >Dear List, > > > >In 1861 my great great grandmother (Jane McDonald) was in the Portsea >Island >Union Workhouse. > > > >As I'll be in Portsea in just over a week I was wondering if anyone knows: > > > >1. its address >2. if the building still exists > > > >Many Thanks > > > >Grahame McDonald > > > >Researching: McDonald, Martin, Knight and Cleife (?) > > > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

I did look up Nurse Child on Google and a few other search engines but nothing shown, though there was a book advertised about a Nurse Child to do with Disability and Sexual abuse!! Could it have been a specialist nurse that cared for a disabled child? Chris Edna & Ken wrote: >Hi, Perhaps the woman could not nurse her baby so a child nurse was used. >The other woman would already be nursing her own baby and would take on >another for a fee. Remember in those days, there were no baby bottles. > >Cheers, > >Edna - Ottawa > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alan Siddorn" <alan@siddorn.fsbusiness.co.uk> >To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:16 AM >Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Nurse Child? > > >Not exactly a location specific census topic but I think the question could >apply to any part of the country so I will go ahead and ask. I am looking at >a page from the 1871 census and am slightly puzzled. On the census form >(RG10/3714 page 37) in Bunbury, Cheshire are Samuel SIDDORNS age 75, his >wife Ellen SIDDORNS age 65 and William SIDDORNS age 3 who in the column for >Relation to Head of Family appears to have G Child and Nurse Child both >entered against his name. I have never seen Nurse Child on a census form >before and wondered if anyone had any ideas or information about the meaning >of it. >Also at the same address is a William CLARK who rather unfortunately for him >is described as 'Ruptured'. >Cheers, >Alan Siddorn > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005

Hello Allan: I have been searching for a number of years and belong to several lists including those in Wales. This question has been asked many times in the past and the answer has always been that a nurse child is an infant whose mother is not successful herself with suckling and hires another mother or relative who is already nursing another child. Sometimes mothers continue on using it as a source of income long after their own child has finished nursing. Even today, when a mother is having difficulty nursing or ill, other nursing mothers will supply milk until the childs mother is able to continue. Hope this helps Dianne Hamilton, Canada

Hi Alan, This is not an uncommon description. In my early genealogy days I had assumed this was a child put out to be "nursed" ie breast fed when perhaps the natural mother was unable to feed the child herself. After coming across a nurse child aged 14 years, I realised that the term was probably more equivalent to our modern-day term of "fostered child". This seems more fitting when a child was both a grandchild and a nursechild as in your case - a 65 year old wouldnt be able to fulfill the breastfeeding role! There was no legal adoption until the 1920's so it could also be considered a form of adoption. Hope this helps Sandra Alan Siddorn wrote: >Not exactly a location specific census topic but I think the question could apply to any part of the country so I will go ahead and ask. I am looking at a page from the 1871 census and am slightly puzzled. On the census form (RG10/3714 page 37) in Bunbury, Cheshire are Samuel SIDDORNS age 75, his wife Ellen SIDDORNS age 65 and William SIDDORNS age 3 who in the column for Relation to Head of Family appears to have G Child and Nurse Child both entered against his name. I have never seen Nurse Child on a census form before and wondered if anyone had any ideas or information about the meaning of it. >Also at the same address is a William CLARK who rather unfortunately for him is described as 'Ruptured'. >Cheers, >Alan Siddorn > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > >

Not exactly a location specific census topic but I think the question could apply to any part of the country so I will go ahead and ask. I am looking at a page from the 1871 census and am slightly puzzled. On the census form (RG10/3714 page 37) in Bunbury, Cheshire are Samuel SIDDORNS age 75, his wife Ellen SIDDORNS age 65 and William SIDDORNS age 3 who in the column for Relation to Head of Family appears to have G Child and Nurse Child both entered against his name. I have never seen Nurse Child on a census form before and wondered if anyone had any ideas or information about the meaning of it. Also at the same address is a William CLARK who rather unfortunately for him is described as 'Ruptured'. Cheers, Alan Siddorn

Whoops! See _www.southampton.gov.uk/maps_ (http://www.southampton.gov.uk/maps) Linda & Tony

Posted on Hampshire-L:- A series of historic maps are on the web following an initiative between Southampton City Council and the Ordnance Survey. Included is an 1846 city street map Well worth a look together with modern maps as a street finder. Enjoy Linda & Tony

Hi, Perhaps the woman could not nurse her baby so a child nurse was used. The other woman would already be nursing her own baby and would take on another for a fee. Remember in those days, there were no baby bottles. Cheers, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Siddorn" <alan@siddorn.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Nurse Child? Not exactly a location specific census topic but I think the question could apply to any part of the country so I will go ahead and ask. I am looking at a page from the 1871 census and am slightly puzzled. On the census form (RG10/3714 page 37) in Bunbury, Cheshire are Samuel SIDDORNS age 75, his wife Ellen SIDDORNS age 65 and William SIDDORNS age 3 who in the column for Relation to Head of Family appears to have G Child and Nurse Child both entered against his name. I have never seen Nurse Child on a census form before and wondered if anyone had any ideas or information about the meaning of it. Also at the same address is a William CLARK who rather unfortunately for him is described as 'Ruptured'. Cheers, Alan Siddorn ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

To Kathryn Thank you for your reply, 3 more names that I had not known about, so I will add them to my list. James Pamplin, the husband of Louisa & father of Herbert was a bookseller, stationer in Winchester from 1855 to 1887. When he died his daughter Ellen took over the shop. From Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Smith" <alison@oasts.screaming.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] Winchester Pamplin births > Hi Pat, > Found these on freeBMD > > > Name Year Quarter Record Type District County > > Pamplin, Arthur James 1884 September Deaths Winchester Hampshire > PAMPLIN, Frances Margaret 1908 March Marriages Winchester Hampshire > PAMPLIN, George 1841 September Deaths Winchester Hampshire > PAMPLIN, Herbert Winton 1861 September Births Winchester Hampshire > PAMPLIN, Louisa 1883 December Deaths Winchester Hampshire > > hope they help > Kathryn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat [mailto:pa_ma_sn@xtra.co.nz] > Sent: 22 July 2005 20:29 > To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Winchester Pamplin births > > > Hello list members > > I am interested in finding the birth dates of the following people, all born > in Winchester > > Ellen Louisa Pamplin b c1856 > Mary Frances Pamplin b c1859 > Alfred Edward Pamplin b c1860 > Herbert Winton Pamplin b c1862 > > Also the dates of death of > > Mary Frances Pamplin between 1861-1871 > Alfred Edward Pamplin between 1871-1881 > > Nothing on www.rootsweb.com as yet > > Thanking you > > Pat > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 > >

1851 Census H107 1536 page 851 27 Poole Street, Shoreditch, London Alfred FISHER, age 32, Porter, born Southampton Sarah FISHER, wife, age 32, Milliner, born Salisbury, Wiltshire 1851 Census H107 1536 page 900 7 Devizes Street, Shoreditch, London John FISHER, married, age 68, Carpenter, born Southampton Mary FISHER, dau, age 18, born Southampton Walter FISHER, son, age 15, Carpenter, born Southampton Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1536 page 851 26 Poole Street, Shoreditch, London John T. SCOTT, age 54, Printer Compositor, born Southampton Sarah SCOTT, wife, age 23, born St Lukes, Middlesex Thomas SCOTT, son, age 20, Furrier, born St Lukes, Middlesex 1851 Census H107 1536 page 853 39 Bridport Place, Shoreditch, London James CAWARD, age 39, Letter Carrier GPO, born Portsea, Hants Louisa CAWARD, wife, age 37, born Portsea, Hants George CAWARD, son, age 15, Solicitors Clerk, born Portsea, Hants Emily CAWARD, dau, age 13, scholar, born Clerkenwell, Middlesex Sophia CAWARD, dau, age 11, scholar, born Shoreditch Louisa CAWARD, dau, age 8, scholar, born Shoreditch Ellen CAWARD, dau, age 1, born Shoreditch Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1536 page 797 27 Clift Street, Shoreditch, London Edward JOYCE, age 51, Type Founder, born looks like Eastwick, Hampshire Catherine JOYCE, wife, age 46, Laundress, born Inkpen, Berkshire 1851 Census H107 1536 page 822 28 Salisbury Street, Shoreditch, London William WILSHIRE, age 40, Commercial Traveller Hosiery and Haberdashery, born Newington, Surrey Ann WILSHIRE, wife, age 38, born Gosport, Hants Emily WILSHIRE, dau, age 16, at home, born Hounslow, Middlesex John WILSHIRE, son, age 12, scholar, born Gosport, Hants Fanny WILSHIRE, dau, age 5, scholar, born Clerkenwell, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hello list members I am interested in finding the birth dates of the following people, all born in Winchester Ellen Louisa Pamplin b c1856 Mary Frances Pamplin b c1859 Alfred Edward Pamplin b c1860 Herbert Winton Pamplin b c1862 Also the dates of death of Mary Frances Pamplin between 1861-1871 Alfred Edward Pamplin between 1871-1881 Nothing on www.rootsweb.com as yet Thanking you Pat