1851 Census H107 1516 page 260 9 Lower Northampton Street, St James Clerkenwell, London Samuel HARVEY, age 41, Watch Motion Maker, born St Lukes, Middlesex Sarah HARVEY, wife, age 40, born Basingstoke, Hants Samuel HARVEY, son, age 15, Apprentice Watch Motion Maker, born St Luke, Middlesex Sarah HARVEY, dau, age 13, born St Luke, Middlesex Esther HARVEY, dau, age 11, Artificial Florist, born St Luke, Middlesex Charles HARVEY, son, age 9, born Haggerstone, Middlesex Frederick HARVEY, son, age 7, born Haggerstone, Middlesex Mary Ann HARVEY, dau, age 4, born St Luke, Middlesex George HARVEY, son, age 1, born Clerkenwell 1851 Census H107 1516 page 273 8 Northampton Street, St James Clerkenwell, London Arthur HARRISON, Head, unmarried, age 29, Carpenter and Joiner, born Winslade, Hants Edward SMITH, Visitor, unmarried, age 22, Carpenter and Joiner, born Basingstoke, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

Thanks, I have got a birth certificate and I have a marriage certificate for parents listed on birth certificate. While this matches it still dose not prove I have the right birth certificate for ggf as I have no other record of mothers name nor do I know what day and month ggf birthday was. (no family members left to ask) I could be collecting information on the wrong family. Already built up a hugh resourse on what I believed to be brother of another family member only to discover wrong person (same name, same age, same occupation, same town) Regards, Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where else to locate Mother > Hi Rose, > You need to purchase your ggrandfather's birth certificate. This will state > the name and maiden name of the mother, besides the father. You can then > verify that you have the correct marriage by ensuring that the names on the > marriage certificate are identical. > HTH > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:37 AM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Where else to locate Mother > > > > How do I prove who mother is ? I started out with ggrandfather's death > > certificate that stated father - William, mother - Unknown. Then purchased > > ggf marriage certificate - father - George. Searching census found > > possible family with George as father, then found marriage of a George > > that fitted family on census. Purchased birth certificate that fits time > > frame for ggf with George as father. Where else can I go to find if > > mother in this family with George is mother of ggf. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rose > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

1851 Census H107 1516 page 185 32 King Street, St James Clerkenwell, London John SAIT, age 45, Stationers Porter, born Alverstoke, Hants Elizabeth SAIT, wife, age 48, Dressmaker, born Great Horkesley, Essex Elizabeth S. SAIT, dau, age 8, scholar, born Clerkenwell Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1516 page 169 14 Caroline Place, St James Clerkenwell, London William WARREN, age 29, Painter, born St Brides, London Ann WARREN, wife, age 34, born Winchester, Hants Ann E. WARREN, dau, age 5, born Clerkenwell Charlotte WARREN, dau, age 3, born Clerkenwell Caroline H. WARREN, dau, age 6 months, born Clerkenwell 1851 Census H107 1516 page 171 5 King Street, St James Clerkenwell, London Mary A. ROBINS, Head, unmarried, age 40, Seamstress, born Portsmouth, Hants 1851 Census H107 1516 page 179 24 King Street, St James Clerkenwell, London George F. WOOD, age 29, Jeweller, born Portsmouth, Hants Caroline WOOD, wife, age 27, born Clerkenwell Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1516 page 94 8 Slades Place, St James Clerkenwell, London George JENNINGS, age 34, No Trade, born Kingsclere, Hampshire Ann JENNINGS, wife, age 30, No Trade, born London Middlesex 1851 Census H107 1516 page 152 and 153 131 Goswell Street, St James Clerkenwell, London Joseph TOWNSEND, age 57, Paper Stainer, born Effingham, Surrey Mary TOWNSEND, wife, age 54, born Dogsmerfield, Hants Ann TOWNSEND, dau, unmarried, age 35, born Crondall, Hants Louisa TOWNSEND, dau, unmarried, age 27, born Clerkenwell Mary TOWNSEND, dau, unmarried, age 24, born Clerkenwell John TOWNSEND, son, unmarried, age 22, Paper Stainer, born Clerkenwell 1851 Census H107 1516 page 167 10 Caroline Place, St James Clerkenwell, London Phillip MARTIN, age 43, Newspaper Dealer, born Romford, Essex Louisa MARTIN, wife, age 40, born Portsea, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

How do I prove who mother is ? I started out with ggrandfather's death certificate that stated father - William, mother - Unknown. Then purchased ggf marriage certificate - father - George. Searching census found possible family with George as father, then found marriage of a George that fitted family on census. Purchased birth certificate that fits time frame for ggf with George as father. Where else can I go to find if mother in this family with George is mother of ggf. Thanks, Rose

Hi Rose, Sorry, I misinterpreted your posting! You haven't given any dates in your message, so I am guessing end of 19th century. The chances of finding another source for the mother's maiden name is quite remote, as this wasn't the sort of information that was asked of people at that time. Did your ancestor serve in the army? If so, and if his records have survived, there is a remote possibility that his mother might be named as Next of Kin in his attestation papers, although this will not give her maiden name. Did his father serve in the army? Again, there is a possibility that the name of the wife and any children are listed - even sometimes a marriage date and place AND the maiden name. Children, when they occur, are often listed with either their age or date of birth. Regards Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where else to locate Mother > Thanks, > > I have got a birth certificate and I have a marriage certificate for > parents listed on birth certificate. While this matches it still dose not > prove I have the right birth certificate for ggf as I have no other record > of mothers name nor do I know what day and month ggf birthday was. (no > family members left to ask) I could be collecting information on the > wrong > family. Already built up a hugh resourse on what I believed to be brother > of > another family member only to discover wrong person (same name, same age, > same occupation, same town) > > Regards, > > Rose > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where else to locate Mother > > >> Hi Rose, >> You need to purchase your ggrandfather's birth certificate. This will > state >> the name and maiden name of the mother, besides the father. You can then >> verify that you have the correct marriage by ensuring that the names on > the >> marriage certificate are identical. >> HTH >> Sandra >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> >> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:37 AM >> Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Where else to locate Mother >> >> >> > How do I prove who mother is ? I started out with ggrandfather's death >> > certificate that stated father - William, mother - Unknown. Then > purchased >> > ggf marriage certificate - father - George. Searching census found >> > possible family with George as father, then found marriage of a George >> > that fitted family on census. Purchased birth certificate that fits > time >> > frame for ggf with George as father. Where else can I go to find if >> > mother in this family with George is mother of ggf. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Rose >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Hi Rose, You need to purchase your ggrandfather's birth certificate. This will state the name and maiden name of the mother, besides the father. You can then verify that you have the correct marriage by ensuring that the names on the marriage certificate are identical. HTH Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:37 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Where else to locate Mother > How do I prove who mother is ? I started out with ggrandfather's death > certificate that stated father - William, mother - Unknown. Then purchased > ggf marriage certificate - father - George. Searching census found > possible family with George as father, then found marriage of a George > that fitted family on census. Purchased birth certificate that fits time > frame for ggf with George as father. Where else can I go to find if > mother in this family with George is mother of ggf. > > Thanks, > > Rose > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Are there Withers/Weathers/Wythers on the list who might have had ancestors who emigrated to the States in the 1600s or early 1700s? I have proven to 1719 in Virginia, Surry/Sussex Counties, USA, a Thomas Weathers/Withers (d. 1744). If interested, contact me privately, please. Best regards, Sarah Withers Keesee lydiap@salisbury.net [Salisbury, North Carolina, USA]

I just want to make a comment on how much I enjoyed hering Tony Knight on BBC radio Solent this morning. an excellent slot on genealogy! I'm not too sure what you meant about genealogy being addictive and becoming obsessive over it though Tony? very big grin! regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/05

Good Morning All Hope I am in the right place. Can anyone tell me where I can find any information on a George CHESLETT who was discharged from the "HMS Berwick to Haslar Hospital on 20 March 1782". I am trying to find out if he was married, did he have children and when he died. If anyone has any information on where I can find this I would appreciate it Thank you Lynne South Australia

I wonder if anyone has access to the 1851 census of Hampshire. I am searching for James BUBB who was born in Exbury HAM. He married my Elvira HAWKINS in June 1871. I think his mother was named Ann but am not sure about his father until I can get the marriage certificate from Southampton. My Elvira HAWKINS was born 4th June 1838. So presumably they were born within a few years of each other - But I know what assuming does! I have James in 1881 and 1891 but have very little information on this BUBB family. Thank you in anticipation. Angie Greenhalgh searching for HAWKINS (Titichfield)- HILLIER(Martyr Worthy) - BUBB (Exbury) COLLINS (Portsmouth)

Hi everyone, The posting from tony and Linda about Miss Corn and Mr cob reminded me of a couple of guide dogs I had heard of, and how everyone who knew of them said the guide Dog Association purposely matched them up with specific people! The two that spring to mind are: Mark Perry, who was given a guide dog named Spencer. (Mark & Spencer?) and a dog named Happy was placed with a gent with the surname of Christmas! Not long after I had my 3rd guide dog Eddy, I heard of a dog called Trixey, and wished that I'd had her! Well Trixey Nixey doesn't sound bad does it! lol Regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 8/9/05

Hello all The Hampshire Genealogical Society annual open day will take place this year on Sunday 25 September 2005 at the usual venue of Horndean Technology College, Merchistoun Rd, Horndean. Doors open at 10.00am and close at 4.00pm. The Society’s AGM (members only) follows at 4.30pm As usual, admission is FREE and attractions include the HGS Bookstall and Research Room, Surname Interests, Computer Genealogical Advice, Stands from Genealogical Suppliers, Other Family History Societies, New & Second Hand Books. The highlights of the day include three free lectures from genealogy experts which are always very informative. This year, we have been fortunate and can offer: Jeanne Bunting - 'Don't Delay; Write Today' John Hanson - 'A to Z of Occupations' Rod Neep - 'Meat on the Bones of Family History' Full details of the open day and of membership of the Society can be found at _www.hgs-online.org.uk_ (http://www.hgs-online.org.uk/) Take care Tony Knight HGS Publicity Officer

Again, thank you to everyone who helped me find addresses for HARRIES families in the Portsmouth area. I will be writing letters to them all today, and then unsubscribing from the list for 2 weeks. I will be packing my clothes (and the kids' clothes) to go on vacation to Williamsburg, Virginia, and nearby Yorktown and Jamestown -- historic sites of the American Revolutionary War. Putting tacks in our tea was not a very funny practical joke at all. However, I will say a kind word about you all while I'm there!! Hope to return and find some mail from a HARRIES. Thanks again, - Kathy Tate Anderson

Thanks to all who responded with either names or info on how to get names for my possible HARRIES connections in the U.K. You've all been very kind. - Kathy Tate Anderson

In a message dated 10/08/2005 17:11:48 GMT Daylight Time, captnkathy@msn.com writes: Hi, All, I'm so excited! I have traced my TATEs back to late 1700s, but along the way found a 2nd (possibly 3rd) marriage of HENRY TATE, and he had a child born of this marriage, 1/2 sister to my gggrandfather, JAMES TATE. Using FreeBMD, indexes in England, census pages, cemetery info, I have finally found some names of possible living rellies descended from his HENRY TATE. JOAN DINES - b. 1920, married GEOFFREY HARRIES in 1939 in Portsmouth Would it be possible to check a Portsmouth area phone directory for any HARRIES? GEOFFREY and/or JOAN may still be living, or their children. Would love to drop them a letter. Please email direct -- I don't think living persons' info should be on the net. Thanks - - Kathy Tate Anderson Kathy, You might try _www.B4Usearch.com_ (http://www.B4Usearch.com) paul

Hi, All, I'm so excited! I have traced my TATEs back to late 1700s, but along the way found a 2nd (possibly 3rd) marriage of HENRY TATE, and he had a child born of this marriage, 1/2 sister to my gggrandfather, JAMES TATE. Using FreeBMD, indexes in England, census pages, cemetery info, I have finally found some names of possible living rellies descended from his HENRY TATE. JOAN DINES - b. 1920, married GEOFFREY HARRIES in 1939 in Portsmouth Would it be possible to check a Portsmouth area phone directory for any HARRIES? GEOFFREY and/or JOAN may still be living, or their children. Would love to drop them a letter. Please email direct -- I don't think living persons' info should be on the net. Thanks - - Kathy Tate Anderson

Hampshire listers, Many thanks to Bryce, Barry and Chris for their information on the whereabouts of Kings Hide c.1861 or King's Hyde as I suppose it should be spelt. Rod Clayburn

Hi Bob cant say i have, been using it all day on and off regards Shan Manager of Ancestry Aid www.ancestryaid.co.uk -------Original Message------- From: bob.newell@ntlworld.com Date: 08/09/05 19:41:49 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Double display Is anyone getting the same problem as me on Ancestry.com with details be displayed double on the page i.e.: name name estimated estimated etc Birth Birth Year Year Edwin Edwin 1818 1818 Picking Picking or is it just me Bob ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx