Looks like a few of us zeroed on the famous engineer and builder. I've put a copy of the Bristol/Somerset-L as they would be interested. Thanks for those postings. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "barnstaple" <barnstaple@kellread.plus.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] BRUNEL stray 1851 Census Linda Did you realise that this is the famous Isambard Kingdom Brunel engineer of the Great Western Railway and bridges Clifton suspension bridge in Bristol and Saltash Bridge over the Tamar linking Devon & Cornwall. Find your listings very interesting as a lot of my family originate in Hampshire but haven't found any strays yet. regards Pat ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Thanks Sandra Yes, quite! What I was wondering about was how the original inquirer knew the birth date but not the baptism date. It just struck me as odd. Could it have been our old enemy hearsay at work? Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================ At 23:18 22/08/2005, you wrote: >Both Birth and Christening dates on the IGI Dave >Sandra > >Dave Jacobs wrote: > >>Just pondering, as is my wont... >>This seems a late baptism, when the lad was about 7 years old. The actual >>register entry might give his age. >>I'm wondering how the date of birth is known so exactly, if not from a >>birth certificate? Army records perhaps? >>If it was from a birth certificate, this would show the parents including >>mother's maiden name, so the baptism would only be out of interest, not >>for vital information. >> >>Cheers, Dave Jacobs >>================= >> >>At 19:11 22/08/2005, you wrote: >> >>>Gwen, >>>He is on the IGI. >>>Christened 8 Apr 1849, parents George and Rebecca >>>Regards >>>Sandra >>>Gwen Sperry wrote: >>> >>>>Hi, >>>>If anyone has access to the parish records of St. Mary's, Portsea I >>>>need the christening date for George Richard Wittey b: 11 May 1842 >>>>Portsea. I need the parents of George if possible from the records. >>>> >>>>Thank you in Advance. >>>>Gwen >>>> >>>> >>>>============================== >>>>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>>>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >>>New content added every business day. Learn more: >>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >>" >>Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are >>putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and >>humorist (1835-1910) >> >>Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason >>and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)

Looks like the famous builder of Clifton Suspension Bridge, Temple Meads Station in Bristol, etc. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hardy" <LindaAnnHardy@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] BRUNEL stray 1851 Census 1851 Census H107 1480 page 297 and 298 17 and 18 Duke Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Isambard BRUNEL, age 44, Civil Engineer, born Portsmouth, Hampshire Mary Elizabeth BRUNEL, wife, age 37, born Kennington, Surrey Lady Sophia BRUNEL, Mother, widow, age 76, Lady, born Westminster Isambard BRUNEL, son, age 13, scholar at home, born Westminster Henry Mark BRUNEL, son, age 8, scholar at home, born Westminster Florence Mary BRUNEL, dau, age 3, scholar at home, born Westminster Linda Tasmania, Australia ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Both Birth and Christening dates on the IGI Dave Sandra Dave Jacobs wrote: > Just pondering, as is my wont... > This seems a late baptism, when the lad was about 7 years old. The > actual register entry might give his age. > I'm wondering how the date of birth is known so exactly, if not from a > birth certificate? Army records perhaps? > If it was from a birth certificate, this would show the parents > including mother's maiden name, so the baptism would only be out of > interest, not for vital information. > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > ================= > > At 19:11 22/08/2005, you wrote: > >> Gwen, >> He is on the IGI. >> Christened 8 Apr 1849, parents George and Rebecca >> Regards >> Sandra >> Gwen Sperry wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> If anyone has access to the parish records of St. Mary's, Portsea I >>> need the christening date for George Richard Wittey b: 11 May 1842 >>> Portsea. I need the parents of George if possible from the records. >>> >>> Thank you in Advance. >>> Gwen >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > > " > Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who > are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, > author and humorist (1835-1910) > > Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason > and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher > (1863-1952) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Just pondering, as is my wont... This seems a late baptism, when the lad was about 7 years old. The actual register entry might give his age. I'm wondering how the date of birth is known so exactly, if not from a birth certificate? Army records perhaps? If it was from a birth certificate, this would show the parents including mother's maiden name, so the baptism would only be out of interest, not for vital information. Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================= At 19:11 22/08/2005, you wrote: >Gwen, >He is on the IGI. >Christened 8 Apr 1849, parents George and Rebecca >Regards >Sandra >Gwen Sperry wrote: > >>Hi, >>If anyone has access to the parish records of St. Mary's, Portsea I need >>the christening date for George Richard Wittey b: 11 May 1842 >>Portsea. I need the parents of George if possible from the records. >> >>Thank you in Advance. >>Gwen >> >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)

Gwen, He is on the IGI. Christened 8 Apr 1849, parents George and Rebecca Regards Sandra Gwen Sperry wrote: >Hi, > If anyone has access to the parish records of St. Mary's, Portsea I need the christening date for George Richard Wittey b: 11 May 1842 Portsea. I need the parents of George if possible from the records. > >Thank you in Advance. >Gwen > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > >

1851 Census H107 1480 page 187 26 King Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Charles WAKE, widower, age 65, Plumber and Glazier employing 2 men, born Winchester, Hants Elizabeth WAKE, dau, unmarried, age 36, born St Margaret Westminster Charles H. WAKE, son, unmarried, age 34, Plumber Journeyman, born St Margaret Westminster George WAKE, son, unmarried, age 24, Plumber Journeyman, born St Margaret Westminster At the same address as above: 26 King Street, but separate entry: Ann CHRISTIE, unmarried, age 46, Casket Maker, born Portsea, Hants John CHRISTIE, Nephew, age 15, Clerk, born St Georges, Surrey 1851 Census H107 1480 page 190 38 King Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Harriett CHAMBERS, Head, married, age 40, Coffee House Keeper, born Odiham, Hants (no other family with her) Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 180 onwards Police Station House, 22 King Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Newman AYLING, unmarried, age 30, Police Constable, born Portsmouth, Hants George CARPENTER, unmarried, age 25, Police Constable, born Hursley, Hants John MacDONALD, unmarried, age 21, Police Constable, born St Marys, Hants George WELLS, unmarried, age 29, Police Constable, born Basingstoke, Hants William LUSH, unmarried, age 26, Police Constable, born Broughton, Hants Jerrard KETTRAL, unmarried, age 21, Police Constable, born Broughton, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 178 18 King Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Edward WATSON, age 38, Cheesemonger employing 1 man, born Portsmouth, Hants Emma WATSON, wife, age 35, born St Lukes Chelsea, Middlesex Edward WATSON, son, age 13, born St Margaret Westminster Robert WATSON, son, age 8, born St Johns Westminster Linda Tasmania, Australia

No problem Chris I am always grateful to get a reply! Magdalen > I wasn't sure if it was after WW1 that it was opened or not but saw her > name and could not resist it!! > Sorry Magdelene. > Chris > >

1851 Census H107 1480 page 174 11 King Street, St Margaret Westminster, London John CARPENTER, widower, age 56, Licenced Victualler, born Bishop Waltham, Hants John CARPENTER, son, unmarried, age 27, Licenced Victualler, born Lambeth, Surrey Ann Eliza CARPENTER, dau, unmarried, age 21, born Aldersgate, Middlesex Sarah Ann CARPENTER, dau, age 13, born St Margaret Westminster 1851 Census H107 1480 page 176 14 King Street, St Margaret Westminster, London William SALTER, age 32, Boot and Shoe Maker, born Taunton, Somerset Jane SALTER, wife, age 33, born Hithe, Hants James Carpenter SALTER, son, age 10, scholar, born Southampton, Hants Robert Carpenter SALTER, son, age 7, scholar, born Southampton, Hants Jane SALTER, dau, age 1, born St Margaret Westminster Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 159 9 Upper Crown Street, St Margaret Westminster, London John MITCHELL, age 39, Journeyman Carpenter, born Ireland Sarah MITCHELL, wife, age 37, born Andover, Hants Georgina MITCHELL, dau, age 15, born London Middlesex 1851 Census H107 1480 page 162 59 Upper Crown Street, St Margaret Westminster, London James C. GISBORNE, age 25, Porter, born Portsea, Hants Mary A. GISBORNE, wife, age 20, born Marylebone, Middlesex Mary GISBORNE, dau, age 7 months, born Lambeth, Surrey James J. WEBSTER, Father-in-law, widower, age 61, Porter, born Marylebone, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hi Christopher and to other Listers, The "strays" that I post to the list I have no connections to, I'm only forwarding the information. Thanks Linda Tasmania, Australia > hi linda ,notice the name broomfield i have broomfield going back to 1650 name john broomfield . > christopher > > > > Linda Hardy <LindaAnnHardy@bigpond.com> wrote: > 1851 Census H107 1516 page 470 > 25 St Johns Square, St John Clerkenwell, London > Henry BROOMFIELD, age 33, Printer Compositor, born Southampton, Hants > Louisa BROOMFIELD, wife, age 36, born Stonehouse, Devon > Francis BROOMFIELD, son, age 10, scholar, born Clerkenwell > Ellen BROOMFIELD, dau, age 8, scholar, born Southampton, Hants > Mary BROOMFIELD, dau, age 6, scholar, born Southampton, Hants

Hello, I've just found out my ancestor, John Callow, lived in Andover, Hampshire, and worked as a shoemaker before joining the army and going to India 1843. He was born around 29 Nov. 1822 (calculated from death certificate). Does anyone have access to the 1841 or 1851 census records for Andover who could do a lookup for me? John should be on the 1841 census since he didn't go to India until 1843, and his family might still be listed on the 1851 Andover census. Thanks in advance, Melanie Tucker Utah, USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello Gwen. I just noticed this message and thought I would say hi. My Great-Grandfather, Henry John WILSON was also born in Portsea, Hampthire in 1849 and I could just see them playing together possibly. How I wish I could step back in time and see for myself life back then and find all the missing links to his story. My Gr.Grandfather ended up in Bermuda and now I'm trying to piece together the past. Have a great day. Judy in Bermuda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Sperry" <gsperry@mstar2.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:03 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] St. Mary's Portsea > Hi, > If anyone has access to the parish records of St. Mary's, Portsea I need > the christening date for George Richard Wittey b: 11 May 1842 Portsea. I > need the parents of George if possible from the records. > > Thank you in Advance. > Gwen > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hello Gwen. I just noticed this message and thought I would say hi. My Great-Grandfather, Henry John WILSON was also born in Portsea, Hampthire in 1849 and I could just see them playing together possibly. How I wish I could step back in time and see for myself life back then and find all the missing links to his story. My Gr.Grandfather ended up in Bermuda and now I'm trying to piece together the past. Have a great day. Judy in Bermuda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:18 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] George Richard WITTEY / WHITTY > Hi Gwen, > > These details were found on the International Genealogical Index at: > http://www.familysearch.org > > GEORGE RICHARD WHITTY > Birth: 11 MAY 1842 > Christening: 08 APR 1849 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England > > His parents are shown as George and Rebecca Whitty. > > Also recorded on the IGI is this: > > GEORGE WITTEY > Marriage: 26 Jun 1833 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England > Spouse: Rebecca Gaces > > There doesn't appear to be any other birth or christenings listed on the > IGI, but I'm sure between 1833 and 1842 the chances are that there would > have been. > > Kindest regards, > > Jon > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/05 > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Gwen, These details were found on the International Genealogical Index at: http://www.familysearch.org GEORGE RICHARD WHITTY Birth: 11 MAY 1842 Christening: 08 APR 1849 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England His parents are shown as George and Rebecca Whitty. Also recorded on the IGI is this: GEORGE WITTEY Marriage: 26 Jun 1833 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England Spouse: Rebecca Gaces There doesn't appear to be any other birth or christenings listed on the IGI, but I'm sure between 1833 and 1842 the chances are that there would have been. Kindest regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/05

Try our website Thelma, it gives the history of the village and photos of it. http://www.southernlife.org.uk/tichborn.htm Chris SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The Villages of the South of England http://www.southernlife.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thelma Werschke" <mufford1@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:23 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Tichborne Estate > Can anyone tell me any thing about TICHBORNE ESTATE my Great grandmother , > Alice LANGRISH was born there 30th September 1851. > I have her birth certificate it says Registration District DROXFORD , > Sub-District WESTMEON . She was the daughter of > Robert LANGRISH & Elizabeth SIMS. > A hand written note by her son says she was born in Hampshire , Midlands > or Midleans , (the writing is poor not sure of this one name) on > TICHBORN ESTATE . Her father was a carpenter , I presume on the Estate . > As far as I know all her 8 sisters and Alice were "in service " . > Any help would be greatly appreciated . > Thelma , Vernon, B.C. , > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Thank you very much Dave. Magdalen > Unless the 1905 burial was in a churchyard, which is unlikely, the most > probable place for the burial would have been the West Hill Cemetery, > Winchester, which had been opened from 1840. >

Sorry Dave, no I haven't read it, but will have to now you have reprimanded me!! LOL I wasn't sure if it was after WW1 that it was opened or not but saw her name and could not resist it!! Sorry Magdelene. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Cemetaryhelp > You obviously have not referred to my book* recently Chris, or you would > have remembered that Magdalen Hill Cemetery was not opened until 1916 !!. > > Unless the 1905 burial was in a churchyard, which is unlikely, the most > probable place for the burial would have been the West Hill Cemetery, > Winchester, which had been opened from 1840. > The records up to 1908 (unconsecrated) and 1918 (consecrated) are held by > the Hampshire Record Office, who may do a lookup for you if you send them > an email. Or you could ask on this list if anyone is going there soon. > > * The Cemeteries of Hampshire: Their History and Records. ISSN 0144-5200, > Feb 1997 > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > ================ > > At 15:31 21/08/2005, Chris and Caroline wrote: >>Your name should give you the clue to that, Magdalen Hill Cemetery >>Winchester, probably!! >>Chris >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "McGuinness" <mwmaggin@mweb.co.za> >>To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:33 PM >>Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Cemetaryhelp >> >> >>>Hello Listers >>>My gt grandmother Ellen GIBSON born GOLDING died in Winchester, St Peter >>>Chesil Parish >>>26 January 1905. Can anyone give me an idea of where she may have been >>>buried please? >>>Her address was 5 East Cliffe, Winchester at the time. >>>Many thanks >>> >>>Magdalen in South Africa. >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >>============================== >>New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >>at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >>http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> > > " > Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are > putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and > humorist (1835-1910) > > Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason > and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >