Melanie, I have John Callow (b and ch November 1821 - East Street Independant Andover) in my tree. Of any interest? Philip

Let you into a secret..............neither did I!! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] BRUNEL stray 1851 Census > Hi Chris, Thanks for the memorial. I didn't know that the famous BRUNEL > was Portsmouth born, until today. > > Edna - Ottawa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris and Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] BRUNEL stray 1851 Census > > > For a picture of his memorial in Porstmouth and a bit about him see > http://www.memorials.inportsmouth.co.uk/dockyard/brunel.htm > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:34 PM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] BRUNEL stray 1851 Census > > >> Looks like the famous builder of Clifton Suspension Bridge, Temple Meads >> Station in Bristol, etc. >> >> Edna - Ottawa >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Linda Hardy" <LindaAnnHardy@bigpond.com> >> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:38 AM >> Subject: [ENG-HANTS] BRUNEL stray 1851 Census >> >> >> 1851 Census H107 1480 page 297 and 298 >> 17 and 18 Duke Street, St Margaret Westminster, London >> Isambard BRUNEL, age 44, Civil Engineer, born Portsmouth, Hampshire >> Mary Elizabeth BRUNEL, wife, age 37, born Kennington, Surrey >> Lady Sophia BRUNEL, Mother, widow, age 76, Lady, born Westminster >> Isambard BRUNEL, son, age 13, scholar at home, born Westminster >> Henry Mark BRUNEL, son, age 8, scholar at home, born Westminster >> Florence Mary BRUNEL, dau, age 3, scholar at home, born Westminster >> >> >> Linda >> Tasmania, Australia >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Bazellegette was the builder of the London sewers. He also set in train a descendant who gave us TV programmes such as "watching paint dry" or home make-overs. You ex-pompeyites must have heard of the Block Factory in Portsmouth, the worlds first automatic manufacturing plant in the worlds largest industrial site. It gave the sailing ships there thousands of blocks for hoisting every thing from a barrel of beer to a mast. Pete -----Original Message----- From: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:ENG-HAMPSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: 23 August 2005 16:04 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-D Digest V05 #111

1851 Census H107 1480 page 242 18 Charles Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Catherine PARKINS, married, age 38, born South Warnborough, Hampshire Mary PARKINS, dau, age 11, scholar, born Buckingham Jane Dicker PARKINS, dau, age 10, scholar, born Buckingham Charity PARKINS, dau, age 7, scholar, born Buckingham John PARKINS, son, age 1, born East Dereham, Norfolk Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 240 16 Charles Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Eliza STEPHENS, widow, age 55, Charwoman, born Havant, Hampshire 1851 Census H107 1480 page 241 17 Charles Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Sarah Ann COOMBS, married, age 32, Sailors wife, born Portsmouth, Hants Emma COOMBS, dau, age 11, born Portsmouth, Hants William COOMBS, son, age 9, born Portsmouth, Hants 1851 Census H107 1480 page 241 18 Charles Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Charles ADKINS, age 35, Chandler, born Stoke, Suffolk Honora ADKINS, wife, age 30, born Great Barton, Hampshire Honora ADKINS, dau, age 7, born St Bride London Mary ADKINS, dau, age 5, born St Bride London Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hi list, The thread about Isambard Brunel, made me think of other famous Hampshire sons who listers may not realise were born in the county. One such is the pre-Raphaelite artist John Everett Millais. Although from a Jersey family (to whom I am distantly related - a gggggrandmother was Mary Millais of Jersey), John Everett Millais was actually born in Southampton. For those who are perhaps unfamiliar with the name, two of his most famous paintings are "Bubbles" with a small boy in blue velvet gazing at bubbles in the air, and another with an old pirate-like sea-dog talking to two small boys on a beach and pointing out to sea. Of all the thousands of relations I have identified on my family tree - he is the closest I can come to a "claim to fame"! Regards Sandra

Marc Isambard Brunel built the Thames Tunnel between Rotherhithe and Wapping: I think that was featured in a TV programme - I seem to remember a banquet being held in it! He also developed mechanical ships blocks (pulleys), which he installed in Portsmouth Dockyard (was that what he was doing in Portsmouth when Isambard Kingdom was born?). Info here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/brunel_marc.shtml Karen On 23/08/05, Sandra J Smith <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Hi List, > Wasn't the father involved in building the London Victorian sewers at > this time? Or have I remembered the wrong person? I remember seeing a > very interesting TV program on the subject some time ago, but a senior > moment has deprived me of the name:-) > Sandra > >

Hi List, Wasn't the father involved in building the London Victorian sewers at this time? Or have I remembered the wrong person? I remember seeing a very interesting TV program on the subject some time ago, but a senior moment has deprived me of the name:-) Sandra Edna & Ken wrote: >Looks like the famous builder of Clifton Suspension Bridge, Temple Meads >Station in Bristol, etc. > >Edna - Ottawa > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Linda Hardy" <LindaAnnHardy@bigpond.com> >To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:38 AM >Subject: [ENG-HANTS] BRUNEL stray 1851 Census > > >1851 Census H107 1480 page 297 and 298 >17 and 18 Duke Street, St Margaret Westminster, London >Isambard BRUNEL, age 44, Civil Engineer, born Portsmouth, Hampshire >Mary Elizabeth BRUNEL, wife, age 37, born Kennington, Surrey >Lady Sophia BRUNEL, Mother, widow, age 76, Lady, born Westminster >Isambard BRUNEL, son, age 13, scholar at home, born Westminster >Henry Mark BRUNEL, son, age 8, scholar at home, born Westminster >Florence Mary BRUNEL, dau, age 3, scholar at home, born Westminster > > >Linda >Tasmania, Australia > > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > >

For a picture of his memorial in Porstmouth and a bit about him see http://www.memorials.inportsmouth.co.uk/dockyard/brunel.htm Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] BRUNEL stray 1851 Census > Looks like the famous builder of Clifton Suspension Bridge, Temple Meads > Station in Bristol, etc. > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Hardy" <LindaAnnHardy@bigpond.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:38 AM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] BRUNEL stray 1851 Census > > > 1851 Census H107 1480 page 297 and 298 > 17 and 18 Duke Street, St Margaret Westminster, London > Isambard BRUNEL, age 44, Civil Engineer, born Portsmouth, Hampshire > Mary Elizabeth BRUNEL, wife, age 37, born Kennington, Surrey > Lady Sophia BRUNEL, Mother, widow, age 76, Lady, born Westminster > Isambard BRUNEL, son, age 13, scholar at home, born Westminster > Henry Mark BRUNEL, son, age 8, scholar at home, born Westminster > Florence Mary BRUNEL, dau, age 3, scholar at home, born Westminster > > > Linda > Tasmania, Australia > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

1851 Census H107 1480 page 231 1 Charles Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Sarah ARNOLD, Servant, unmarried, age 21, House Servant, born Alton, Hampshire Linda Tasmania, Australia

Linda Did you realise that this is the famous Isambard Kingdom Brunel engineer of the Great Western Railway, Clifton suspension bridge in Bristol and Saltash Bridge over the Tamar linking Devon & Cornwall. Likewise the Great Western; Great Britain; & Great Eastern Steamships. Find your listings very interesting as a lot of my family originate in Hampshire but haven't found any strays yet. regards Pat

Linda Did you realise that this is the famous Isambard Kingdom Brunel engineer of the Great Western Railway and bridges Clifton suspension bridge in Bristol and Saltash Bridge over the Tamar linking Devon & Cornwall. Find your listings very interesting as a lot of my family originate in Hampshire but haven't found any strays yet. regards Pat

Dear Angie, the BUBB family are of long standing hereabouts: BUBB, Joseph, tenanted Bubb's House with garden near Wood Common, Langley Fawley, 1792 BUBB, Joseph, publican, (not sure whether of 'The Ship' or 'The Jolly Sailor' - probably the latter [still there]) Lepe, Exbury, 1792 BUBB, Winifred, became Mrs. Saunders and attended the laying of the foundation stone of Blackfield's second Baptist Chapel, Hampton Lane, in 1938. There are still numerous Bubbs living locally (Blackfield, Holbury, and farther afield at Eastleigh, New Milton and Thornhill [Southampton]) I don't have the 1851, only the 1861 Census (when Exbury still came under Fawley), but for that: Exbury: BUBB, Ann, wife of Thomas (sched. 33), aged 56, born Beaulieu BUBB, Ann, wife of Charles (sched. 38), aged 50, born Beaulieu BUBB, Charles, head (sched. 32), aged 29, brickmaker, born Exbury BUBB, Charles, head (sched. 38), aged 57, dairyman, born Exbury BUBB, Edward, son of Charles (sched. 38), aged 7, scholar, born Exbury BUBB, Emily, dtr. of Thomas senior (sched. 33), aged 11, scholar, born Exbury BUBB, George, son of Thomas senior (sched. 33), aged 14, general labourer, born Exbury BUBB, James, grandson of Thomas senior (sched. 33), aged 11, farm boy, born Eling BUBB, James (possibly, though looks more like Jenner), son of Charles (sched. 38), aged 15, agricultural labourer, born Exbury BUBB, John, son of Charles (sched. 38), aged 11, farm boy, born Exbury BUBB, Joseph, head (sched. 54), aged 55, general labourere, born Exbury BUBB, Kate, dtr. of Charles (sched. 38), aged 9, scholar, born Exbury BUBB, Mary, (sched. 30), live-in servant (under-nurse) to Bartlett household, aged 13, born Exbury BUBB, Sarah, wife of Charles (sched. 32), aged 23, born Exbury BUBB, Thomas senior, head (sched. 33), aged 57, garden labourer (probably to Exbury gardens), born Exbury BUBB, Thomas junior, son of Thomas senior (sched. 33), aged 16, general labourer, born Exbury Lepe (which came under Exbury even when that came under Fawley) BUBB, William, widower aged 28, fisherman, aboard the 'Alice' at Lepe (witnessed by chief officer of the coastguard) Blacklands Farm (Exbury) BUBB, Henry, servant to Soffe family (sched. 72), aged 19, ag. lab., born Exbury Regards, David

1851 Census H107 1480 page 195 54 King Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Georgina RICHES, widow, age 38, Grocery and Italian Warehouse employing 3 men, born Southsea, Hants Georgina RICHES, dau, age 16, scholar, born Margate, Kent Linda Tasmania, Australia

Does anyone have access to the 1841 or 1851 census records for Andover who could do a lookup for me? I've just found out my ancestor, John Callow, lived in Andover, Hampshire, and worked as a shoemaker before joining the army and going to India 1843. He was born around 29 Nov. 1822 (calculated from death certificate). John should be on the 1841 census since he didn't go to India until 1843, and his family might still be listed on the 1851 Andover census. Thanks, Melanie Tucker --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

Hi everyone, If there is anyone trawling through the 1841 census of Hants, particularly Portsea, Fareham and Gosport areas, could they please keep an eye open for a George Allberry/Aldbury/Aubery/Aubrey/Albury/Albray etc etc? Believed to have been born outside the county, and more than likely working as a Labourer. Marital status unknown, and aged around 43 in real terms (going by his age given on the 1851 census). Thanks in advance, kind regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 8/22/05

Hi, Sir John Everett MILLAIS 1829-1896, quite a lot on the web even the picture of "Bubbles". Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Other famous Hampshire Hogs Hi list, The thread about Isambard Brunel, made me think of other famous Hampshire sons who listers may not realise were born in the county. One such is the pre-Raphaelite artist John Everett Millais. Although from a Jersey family (to whom I am distantly related - a gggggrandmother was Mary Millais of Jersey), John Everett Millais was actually born in Southampton. For those who are perhaps unfamiliar with the name, two of his most famous paintings are "Bubbles" with a small boy in blue velvet gazing at bubbles in the air, and another with an old pirate-like sea-dog talking to two small boys on a beach and pointing out to sea. Of all the thousands of relations I have identified on my family tree - he is the closest I can come to a "claim to fame"! Regards Sandra ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Sorry list should have gone to David Jeanne J POTTER <j.potter1@btopenworld.com> wrote: Welcome back David!! Nice you haven't lost your touch! Jeanne Dave Jacobs wrote: Thanks Sandra Yes, quite! What I was wondering about was how the original inquirer knew the birth date but not the baptism date. It just struck me as odd. Could it have been our old enemy hearsay at work? Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================ At 23:18 22/08/2005, you wrote: >Both Birth and Christening dates on the IGI Dave >Sandra > >Dave Jacobs wrote: > >>Just pondering, as is my wont... >>This seems a late baptism, when the lad was about 7 years old. The actual >>register entry might give his age. >>I'm wondering how the date of birth is known so exactly, if not from a >>birth certificate? Army records perhaps? >>If it was from a birth certificate, this would show the parents including >>mother's maiden name, so the baptism would only be out of interest, not >>for vital information. >> >>Cheers, Dave Jacobs >>================= >> >>At 19:11 22/08/2005, you wrote: >> >>>Gwen, >>>He is on the IGI. >>>Christened 8 Apr 1849, parents George and Rebecca >>>Regards >>>Sandra >>>Gwen Sperry wrote: >>> >>>>Hi, >>>>If anyone has access to the parish records of St. Mary's, Portsea I >>>>need the christening date for George Richard Wittey b: 11 May 1842 >>>>Portsea. I need the parents of George if possible from the records. >>>> >>>>Thank you in Advance. >>>>Gwen >>>> >>>> >>>>============================== >>>>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>>>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >>>New content added every business day. Learn more: >>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >>" >>Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are >>putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and >>humorist (1835-1910) >> >>Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason >>and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Welcome back David!! Nice you haven't lost your touch! Jeanne Dave Jacobs <dave@jacobs.net> wrote: Thanks Sandra Yes, quite! What I was wondering about was how the original inquirer knew the birth date but not the baptism date. It just struck me as odd. Could it have been our old enemy hearsay at work? Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================ At 23:18 22/08/2005, you wrote: >Both Birth and Christening dates on the IGI Dave >Sandra > >Dave Jacobs wrote: > >>Just pondering, as is my wont... >>This seems a late baptism, when the lad was about 7 years old. The actual >>register entry might give his age. >>I'm wondering how the date of birth is known so exactly, if not from a >>birth certificate? Army records perhaps? >>If it was from a birth certificate, this would show the parents including >>mother's maiden name, so the baptism would only be out of interest, not >>for vital information. >> >>Cheers, Dave Jacobs >>================= >> >>At 19:11 22/08/2005, you wrote: >> >>>Gwen, >>>He is on the IGI. >>>Christened 8 Apr 1849, parents George and Rebecca >>>Regards >>>Sandra >>>Gwen Sperry wrote: >>> >>>>Hi, >>>>If anyone has access to the parish records of St. Mary's, Portsea I >>>>need the christening date for George Richard Wittey b: 11 May 1842 >>>>Portsea. I need the parents of George if possible from the records. >>>> >>>>Thank you in Advance. >>>>Gwen >>>> >>>> >>>>============================== >>>>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>>>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >>>New content added every business day. Learn more: >>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >>" >>Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are >>putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and >>humorist (1835-1910) >> >>Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason >>and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Chris, Thanks for the memorial. I didn't know that the famous BRUNEL was Portsmouth born, until today. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris and Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] BRUNEL stray 1851 Census For a picture of his memorial in Porstmouth and a bit about him see http://www.memorials.inportsmouth.co.uk/dockyard/brunel.htm Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] BRUNEL stray 1851 Census > Looks like the famous builder of Clifton Suspension Bridge, Temple Meads > Station in Bristol, etc. > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Hardy" <LindaAnnHardy@bigpond.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:38 AM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] BRUNEL stray 1851 Census > > > 1851 Census H107 1480 page 297 and 298 > 17 and 18 Duke Street, St Margaret Westminster, London > Isambard BRUNEL, age 44, Civil Engineer, born Portsmouth, Hampshire > Mary Elizabeth BRUNEL, wife, age 37, born Kennington, Surrey > Lady Sophia BRUNEL, Mother, widow, age 76, Lady, born Westminster > Isambard BRUNEL, son, age 13, scholar at home, born Westminster > Henry Mark BRUNEL, son, age 8, scholar at home, born Westminster > Florence Mary BRUNEL, dau, age 3, scholar at home, born Westminster > > > Linda > Tasmania, Australia > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx