Hi, I am trying to locate the GARDINER family, who were in the above area in 1851. I know this since there youngest son was born there some time in 1851. The previous child was born in Gosport. The father, John GARDINER, was apparently a railway agent, and from the various birthplaces of his children, moved around a lot between 1840 and 1851, I would greatly appreciate is SKS could find even an extract with the details of the father, he 'disappears' about 1851. The details of the rest of the family are: Mother Mary GARDINER, b abt 1807, later always reported as in 'Leicester' dau Sophia Jane b abt 1830, again Leicester dau Sarah Ann b abt 1831, Leicester son William Whetstone GARDINER, b 1833, once again Leicester dau Eliza, b abt 1840, Lambeth/Kennington/ London She seems to know exactly where it was! son John Fielding GARDINER, b 1846 in Gosport, Hants son Charles F. b abt 1851 in Fareham, Hants Incidentally, I have been unable to find any of the births,or baptisms for any of the children, neither a marriage for the parents. So I am keen to find where the father says where he was born. Dave in Quebec

maybe their parents did not want them to marry. They had 12 children, 7 survived. pic = = = = = = = = = = = = = Remember me in the family tree my name, my days, my strife; then I'll ride upon the wings of time and live an endless life - GOETSCH Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004: Renewed Feb 2005 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorothy Spence To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Re: Information on marriage certificate Pat wrote............. ..............".When my Gr Grandparents married in 1872, he put his father deceased [he died 2 yrs later] and she put her father deceased [he died in 1921, a year before her]." How very strange that they both wrote that. Maybe it was wishful thinking!!!! Thanks, Dorothy ______________________________

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Does not necessarily show deceased. Question to be answered "Father's Occupation". Answer "Ag Lab" - no need to say if he is dead or alive. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Spence" <rottimum@platinum.ca> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Re: Information on marriage certificate >I would like to find out if on a marriage certificate it would ALWAYS say >deceased if the father of either bride or groom were dead. I do have one >that says that but I am wondering about another where I think a father >might not be around any more. > > I would appreciate any input from SKS. > > Dorothy, Calgary, Canada > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005

Hi Mandy It certainly appears from the evidence you have that the father on his birth certificate (I presume you have this?) and in the 1901 census was really his. You said you knew he was "raised by his father until he was at least 14 years of age", which begs a question or two. Why not his mother as well? What is the source of this piece of info, oral history? He would have been 14 in 1912. Wasn't on the Titanic was he? ! I also take it you have not found the father's death anywhere, but how hard have you looked? If the father was genuine, his absence from the marriage certificate does indeed suggest a family break-up. "I have no father" sort of thing. Any evidence or hint of the usual cause, like drunkenness, philandering, wanderlust, etc.? Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================ At 04:28 25/08/2005, you wrote: >No, I guess I can't say for certain, but the father and mother were >married in 1895, their first child born in 1896, he was born next in 1898, >another sister in 1900, a brother in 1903 and another sister in >1906. Father was stationed at Newhaven Fort at the time of his >birth. Family was there with him. On the 1901 census, he is referred to >as a son. > >I have no reason to think that there was any possibility he was not his >father. I know that he (my grandfather) was with him in Gibralter because >he said to members of my family that he learned to swim in Gibralter (he >was an olympic level swimmer or water polo player and that is how he met >my grandmother). > > > > >Mandy. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> >To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:17 PM >Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Re: Information on marriage certificate > > >>Mandy, >>Usually, if a father's name is missing from a marriage certificate it >>usually means the father is unknown, in other words the child was >>illegitimate or born out of wedlock. You say you "know" he was raised by >>his father until at least 14 years of age. How certain are you that he >>was actually his father? I have seen a number of instances where a child >>was labelled "son" in the census returns, but was actually a son of the >>wife - could this be the case here? >>Regards >>Sandra >> >>Mandy Fenyvesi wrote: >> >>>what would you make of him being missing althogether? I know my fellow >>>was raised by his father until he was atleast 14 years of age. His >>>family stayed together through a tour in Gibralter. The returned to >>>Southsea Hants and retired there in 1911. But when the son got married >>>in 1924, there is no father on the marriage certificate. does that >>>sound more like estranged than deceased? >>> >>>Mandy >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> >>>To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:53 PM >>>Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Re: Information on marriage certificate >>> >>> >>>>Dorothy. >>>>The father was only entered as deceased if the parties concerned were >>>>asked the question. If they werent asked then if the father was >>>>deceased would not be shown as such. The only thing you can be certain >>>>of is that if it states deceased then he should be dead. If it doesn't >>>>state deceased then the father could be either alive or dead. >>>>Regards >>>>Sandra >>>> >>>>Dorothy Spence wrote: >>>> >>>>>I would like to find out if on a marriage certificate it would ALWAYS >>>>>say deceased if the father of either bride or groom were dead. I do >>>>>have one that says that but I am wondering about another where I think >>>>>a father might not be around any more. >>>>> >>>>>I would appreciate any input from SKS. >>>>> >>>>>Dorothy, Calgary, Canada >>>>> >>>>>============================== >>>>>View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>>>>marriage announcements and more. 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Hi List Another point worth considering is that for churchyards, there was no formal obligation to keep a record of grave locations. Of course the local church people, especially the sexton, would keep such a record, but possibly only in the sexton's head (and of course as gravestones) but such records have almost never been deposited anywhere. Cemeteries on the other hand, managed by local civil authorities, have always had a legal duty to keep such records, and make the location of graves known to interested parties. Church burial registers unfortunately do not note where the grave was. So who you need to contact depends on what information you are seeking. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 00:57 25/08/2005, Sandra J Smith wrote: >It might be worth considering that some parishes, whilst depositing their >registers at the County Record Office, still keep an informal register of >burials in order to keep track of the graves in their churchyard. I know >that North Baddesley does this. >Sandra > >Chris and Caroline wrote: > >>thats because I sent it to you and also to the list Magdalen >>The reason being it gives others a chance to see information such as the >>address etc. as it may be useful to them. >>Chris >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "McGuinness" <mwmaggin@mweb.co.za> >>To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:10 PM >>Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Burial Register - GIBSON >> >> >>>Thank you so much Chris I will try them. >>>As a matter of interest your messages are duplicated, it is not a problem >>>for me I just find it curious. >>> >>>Magdalen >>> >>> >>>>Try this Magdalen >>>>They have an email address so it would be worth emailing them and asking >>> >>>for >>> >>>>details >>>>Chris >>>> >>>> >>>>St John's Church >>>>Rev Robert Teare >>>>Tel 01962 863891 >>>>Fax 01962 867298 >>>>E-Mail Robert.Teare@ukgateway.net >>>>The Rectory >>>>22 St John's Street >>>>Winchester SO23 0HF >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "McGuinness" <mwmaggin@mweb.co.za> >>>>To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:26 PM >>>>Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Burial Register - GIBSON >>>> >>>> >>>> > Hi Everyone >>>> > >>>> > My great grandma Ellen GIBSON born GO(U)LDING is not reclining in the >>>> > West >>>> > Hill Cemetery. >>>> > Ellen died 26th January 1905 and if there is anyone who could check the >>>> > burial register of St Johns Churchyard , Winchester I would be very >>>> > grateful. I think that is the next nearest to Eas Cliffe where she >>> >>>died. >>> >>>> > I think her father Charles GOULDING was buried in St Johns Chruchyard. >>>> > He >>>> > drowned in the River Itchen and his body was removed fron the water on >>>> > 17th >>>> > August 1878. >>>> > Many thanks >>>> > >>>> > Magdalen in South Africa >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ============================== >>>> > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>>> > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>>> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>============================== >>>>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>>>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 8/23/05 >>>> >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >>============================== >>New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >>ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >>Learn more: >>http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)

When my Gr Grandparents married in 1872, he put his father deceased [he died 2 yrs later] and she put her father deceased [he died in 1921, a year before her]. So not always true. = = = = = = = = = = = = Pat C., BHCD Quakertown, PA US BLUROC1@worldnet.att.net = = = = = = = = = = = = = Remember me in the family tree my name, my days, my strife; then I'll ride upon the wings of time and live an endless life - GOETSCH Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004: Renewed Feb 2005 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorothy Spence To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Information on marriage certificate I would like to find out if on a marriage certificate it would ALWAYS say deceased if the father of either bride or groom were dead. I do have one that says that but I am wondering about another where I think a father might not be around any more. I would appreciate any input from SKS. Dorothy, Calgary, Canada ______________________________

Mandy, Usually, if a father's name is missing from a marriage certificate it usually means the father is unknown, in other words the child was illegitimate or born out of wedlock. You say you "know" he was raised by his father until at least 14 years of age. How certain are you that he was actually his father? I have seen a number of instances where a child was labelled "son" in the census returns, but was actually a son of the wife - could this be the case here? Regards Sandra Mandy Fenyvesi wrote: > what would you make of him being missing althogether? I know my > fellow was raised by his father until he was atleast 14 years of age. > His family stayed together through a tour in Gibralter. The returned > to Southsea Hants and retired there in 1911. But when the son got > married in 1924, there is no father on the marriage certificate. does > that sound more like estranged than deceased? > > Mandy > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" > <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:53 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Re: Information on marriage certificate > > >> Dorothy. >> The father was only entered as deceased if the parties concerned were >> asked the question. If they werent asked then if the father was >> deceased would not be shown as such. The only thing you can be >> certain of is that if it states deceased then he should be dead. If >> it doesn't state deceased then the father could be either alive or dead. >> Regards >> Sandra >> >> Dorothy Spence wrote: >> >>> I would like to find out if on a marriage certificate it would >>> ALWAYS say deceased if the father of either bride or groom were >>> dead. I do have one that says that but I am wondering about another >>> where I think a father might not be around any more. >>> >>> I would appreciate any input from SKS. >>> >>> Dorothy, Calgary, Canada >>> >>> ============================== >>> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: >> 8/23/2005 >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

True Sandra, quite a few of the churches we have visited do this for that reason, Old Alresford, Itchen Abbas, to name just two. We have found the clergy there to be very helpful indeed and have gone out of their way to help us find burials and even marriages. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Burial Register - GIBSON > It might be worth considering that some parishes, whilst depositing their > registers at the County Record Office, still keep an informal register of > burials in order to keep track of the graves in their churchyard. I know > that North Baddesley does this. > Sandra > > Chris and Caroline wrote: > >> thats because I sent it to you and also to the list Magdalen >> The reason being it gives others a chance to see information such as the >> address etc. as it may be useful to them. >> Chris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "McGuinness" <mwmaggin@mweb.co.za> >> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Burial Register - GIBSON >> >> >>> Thank you so much Chris I will try them. >>> As a matter of interest your messages are duplicated, it is not a >>> problem >>> for me I just find it curious. >>> >>> Magdalen >>> >>> >>>> Try this Magdalen >>>> They have an email address so it would be worth emailing them and >>>> asking >>> >>> for >>> >>>> details >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> St John's Church >>>> Rev Robert Teare >>>> Tel 01962 863891 >>>> Fax 01962 867298 >>>> E-Mail Robert.Teare@ukgateway.net >>>> The Rectory >>>> 22 St John's Street >>>> Winchester SO23 0HF >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "McGuinness" <mwmaggin@mweb.co.za> >>>> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:26 PM >>>> Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Burial Register - GIBSON >>>> >>>> >>>> > Hi Everyone >>>> > >>>> > My great grandma Ellen GIBSON born GO(U)LDING is not reclining in >>>> the >>>> > West >>>> > Hill Cemetery. >>>> > Ellen died 26th January 1905 and if there is anyone who could >>>> check the >>>> > burial register of St Johns Churchyard , Winchester I would be very >>>> > grateful. I think that is the next nearest to Eas Cliffe where she >>> >>> died. >>> >>>> > I think her father Charles GOULDING was buried in St Johns >>>> Chruchyard. >>>> > He >>>> > drowned in the River Itchen and his body was removed fron the >>>> water on >>>> > 17th >>>> > August 1878. >>>> > Many thanks >>>> > >>>> > Magdalen in South Africa >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ============================== >>>> > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in >>>> the >>>> > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>>> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 8/23/05 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

It might be worth considering that some parishes, whilst depositing their registers at the County Record Office, still keep an informal register of burials in order to keep track of the graves in their churchyard. I know that North Baddesley does this. Sandra Chris and Caroline wrote: > thats because I sent it to you and also to the list Magdalen > The reason being it gives others a chance to see information such as > the address etc. as it may be useful to them. > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "McGuinness" <mwmaggin@mweb.co.za> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Burial Register - GIBSON > > >> Thank you so much Chris I will try them. >> As a matter of interest your messages are duplicated, it is not a >> problem >> for me I just find it curious. >> >> Magdalen >> >> >>> Try this Magdalen >>> They have an email address so it would be worth emailing them and >>> asking >> >> for >> >>> details >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> St John's Church >>> Rev Robert Teare >>> Tel 01962 863891 >>> Fax 01962 867298 >>> E-Mail Robert.Teare@ukgateway.net >>> The Rectory >>> 22 St John's Street >>> Winchester SO23 0HF >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "McGuinness" <mwmaggin@mweb.co.za> >>> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:26 PM >>> Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Burial Register - GIBSON >>> >>> >>> > Hi Everyone >>> > >>> > My great grandma Ellen GIBSON born GO(U)LDING is not reclining in >>> the >>> > West >>> > Hill Cemetery. >>> > Ellen died 26th January 1905 and if there is anyone who could >>> check the >>> > burial register of St Johns Churchyard , Winchester I would be very >>> > grateful. I think that is the next nearest to Eas Cliffe where she >> >> died. >> >>> > I think her father Charles GOULDING was buried in St Johns >>> Chruchyard. >>> > He >>> > drowned in the River Itchen and his body was removed fron the >>> water on >>> > 17th >>> > August 1878. >>> > Many thanks >>> > >>> > Magdalen in South Africa >>> > >>> > >>> > ============================== >>> > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in >>> the >>> > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 8/23/05 >>> >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. > Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > >

Dorothy. The father was only entered as deceased if the parties concerned were asked the question. If they werent asked then if the father was deceased would not be shown as such. The only thing you can be certain of is that if it states deceased then he should be dead. If it doesn't state deceased then the father could be either alive or dead. Regards Sandra Dorothy Spence wrote: > I would like to find out if on a marriage certificate it would ALWAYS > say deceased if the father of either bride or groom were dead. I do > have one that says that but I am wondering about another where I think > a father might not be around any more. > > I would appreciate any input from SKS. > > Dorothy, Calgary, Canada > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

thats because I sent it to you and also to the list Magdalen The reason being it gives others a chance to see information such as the address etc. as it may be useful to them. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "McGuinness" <mwmaggin@mweb.co.za> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Burial Register - GIBSON > Thank you so much Chris I will try them. > As a matter of interest your messages are duplicated, it is not a problem > for me I just find it curious. > > Magdalen > > >> Try this Magdalen >> They have an email address so it would be worth emailing them and asking > for >> details >> Chris >> >> >> St John's Church >> Rev Robert Teare >> Tel 01962 863891 >> Fax 01962 867298 >> E-Mail Robert.Teare@ukgateway.net >> The Rectory >> 22 St John's Street >> Winchester SO23 0HF >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "McGuinness" <mwmaggin@mweb.co.za> >> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:26 PM >> Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Burial Register - GIBSON >> >> >> > Hi Everyone >> > >> > My great grandma Ellen GIBSON born GO(U)LDING is not reclining in the >> > West >> > Hill Cemetery. >> > Ellen died 26th January 1905 and if there is anyone who could check the >> > burial register of St Johns Churchyard , Winchester I would be very >> > grateful. I think that is the next nearest to Eas Cliffe where she > died. >> > I think her father Charles GOULDING was buried in St Johns Chruchyard. >> > He >> > drowned in the River Itchen and his body was removed fron the water on >> > 17th >> > August 1878. >> > Many thanks >> > >> > Magdalen in South Africa >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 8/23/05 >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

The burial registers of Winchester St John, up to 1945, are at Hampshire Record Office. The Rector would probably refer you to the Record Office. Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris and Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Burial Register - GIBSON Try this Magdalen They have an email address so it would be worth emailing them and asking for details Chris St John's Church Rev Robert Teare Tel 01962 863891 Fax 01962 867298 E-Mail Robert.Teare@ukgateway.net The Rectory 22 St John's Street Winchester SO23 0HF ----- Original Message ----- From: "McGuinness" <mwmaggin@mweb.co.za> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Burial Register - GIBSON > Hi Everyone > > My great grandma Ellen GIBSON born GO(U)LDING is not reclining in the > West > Hill Cemetery. > Ellen died 26th January 1905 and if there is anyone who could check the > burial register of St Johns Churchyard , Winchester I would be very > grateful. I think that is the next nearest to Eas Cliffe where she died. > I think her father Charles GOULDING was buried in St Johns Chruchyard. > He > drowned in the River Itchen and his body was removed fron the water on > 17th > August 1878. > Many thanks > > Magdalen in South Africa

1851 Census H107 1480 page 579 New Star and Crown Public House, 3 Broadway, St Margaret Westminster, London Samuel BROWN, Lodger, unmarried, age 25, Recruiting Sergeant, born Ringwood, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

Thank you so much Chris I will try them. As a matter of interest your messages are duplicated, it is not a problem for me I just find it curious. Magdalen > Try this Magdalen > They have an email address so it would be worth emailing them and asking for > details > Chris > > > St John's Church > Rev Robert Teare > Tel 01962 863891 > Fax 01962 867298 > E-Mail Robert.Teare@ukgateway.net > The Rectory > 22 St John's Street > Winchester SO23 0HF > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "McGuinness" <mwmaggin@mweb.co.za> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:26 PM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Burial Register - GIBSON > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > My great grandma Ellen GIBSON born GO(U)LDING is not reclining in the > > West > > Hill Cemetery. > > Ellen died 26th January 1905 and if there is anyone who could check the > > burial register of St Johns Churchyard , Winchester I would be very > > grateful. I think that is the next nearest to Eas Cliffe where she died. > > I think her father Charles GOULDING was buried in St Johns Chruchyard. > > He > > drowned in the River Itchen and his body was removed fron the water on > > 17th > > August 1878. > > Many thanks > > > > Magdalen in South Africa > > > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 8/23/05 > >

No, I guess I can't say for certain, but the father and mother were married in 1895, their first child born in 1896, he was born next in 1898, another sister in 1900, a brother in 1903 and another sister in 1906. Father was stationed at Newhaven Fort at the time of his birth. Family was there with him. On the 1901 census, he is referred to as a son. I have no reason to think that there was any possibility he was not his father. I know that he (my grandfather) was with him in Gibralter because he said to members of my family that he learned to swim in Gibralter (he was an olympic level swimmer or water polo player and that is how he met my grandmother). Mandy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Re: Information on marriage certificate > Mandy, > Usually, if a father's name is missing from a marriage certificate it > usually means the father is unknown, in other words the child was > illegitimate or born out of wedlock. You say you "know" he was raised by > his father until at least 14 years of age. How certain are you that he > was actually his father? I have seen a number of instances where a child > was labelled "son" in the census returns, but was actually a son of the > wife - could this be the case here? > Regards > Sandra > > Mandy Fenyvesi wrote: > >> what would you make of him being missing althogether? I know my fellow >> was raised by his father until he was atleast 14 years of age. His >> family stayed together through a tour in Gibralter. The returned to >> Southsea Hants and retired there in 1911. But when the son got married >> in 1924, there is no father on the marriage certificate. does that sound >> more like estranged than deceased? >> >> Mandy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" >> <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> >> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Re: Information on marriage certificate >> >> >>> Dorothy. >>> The father was only entered as deceased if the parties concerned were >>> asked the question. If they werent asked then if the father was >>> deceased would not be shown as such. The only thing you can be certain >>> of is that if it states deceased then he should be dead. If it doesn't >>> state deceased then the father could be either alive or dead. >>> Regards >>> Sandra >>> >>> Dorothy Spence wrote: >>> >>>> I would like to find out if on a marriage certificate it would ALWAYS >>>> say deceased if the father of either bride or groom were dead. I do >>>> have one that says that but I am wondering about another where I think >>>> a father might not be around any more. >>>> >>>> I would appreciate any input from SKS. >>>> >>>> Dorothy, Calgary, Canada >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>>> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >>>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >>> New content added every business day. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: >>> 8/23/2005 >>> >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 8/23/2005 > >

Hello Listers I sent an email to Moya (marp@ntlworld.com who is listed on the Look up Exchange List for Alverstoke MIs and Hamshire Marriage Allegations. However, the email bounced. Can anyone tell me if there is a new address or whatever please? Many thanks. Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 521 onwards Westminster Hospital, St Margaret Westminster, London Francis METCALFE, Patient, widower, age 44, Hawker, born Bramshott, Hants Eliza OXFORD, Patient, unmarried, age 29, Housemaid, born Brockenhurst, Hants Caroline ADAMS, Patient, unmarried, age 20, Nursemaid, born Portsmouth, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

what would you make of him being missing althogether? I know my fellow was raised by his father until he was atleast 14 years of age. His family stayed together through a tour in Gibralter. The returned to Southsea Hants and retired there in 1911. But when the son got married in 1924, there is no father on the marriage certificate. does that sound more like estranged than deceased? Mandy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Re: Information on marriage certificate > Dorothy. > The father was only entered as deceased if the parties concerned were > asked the question. If they werent asked then if the father was deceased > would not be shown as such. The only thing you can be certain of is that > if it states deceased then he should be dead. If it doesn't state > deceased then the father could be either alive or dead. > Regards > Sandra > > Dorothy Spence wrote: > >> I would like to find out if on a marriage certificate it would ALWAYS >> say deceased if the father of either bride or groom were dead. I do have >> one that says that but I am wondering about another where I think a >> father might not be around any more. >> >> I would appreciate any input from SKS. >> >> Dorothy, Calgary, Canada >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 8/23/2005 > >