Can SKS who has access to the 1851 census for Hartley Wintney and surrounding areas please do a look up for Eliza Duffey aged 20yrs born Woolwich/Brompton and a Michael Baker, aged 23 yrs, farmer born Hartleyrow, Hampshire Brenda - Australia

Good Morning All After going down the wrong track for months have finally got a marriage Certificate for my Edward DAY (very hard to read) but thanks to the folks at IOW I now have the following info. Edward Dalley DAY born 1827 his parents were Edward DAY (Gamekeeper) and Elizabeth DEAN on the certificate he states he is from Selborne. He married in Australia in 1859. I am trying to get a time frame of when he came to Aust and info on his parents. Any info would be appreciated. Ta Lynne SA

Sending this on for the person who enquired about Hampshire police. Chris From Dave Jacobs (ENG-SOUTHAMPTON) Apart from the Hampshire constabulary, both Portsmouth and Southampton Record Offices have records of their City police forces. The Portsmouth records I know include some photographs of their policemen. Cheers, Dave Jacobs

Thanks Dave Cannot remember if the lady who wanted the info was on this list or our own, so will post it up on our list just in case. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Hampshire Police Records > Apart from the Hampshire constabulary, both Portsmouth and Southampton > Record Offices have records of their City police forces. The Portsmouth > records I know include some photographs of their policemen. > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > =============== > > At 10:11 30/08/2005, you wrote: >>Somebody asked about records of people who were in the Hampshire >>Contabulary. >>Here is the reply from the aforementioned!! >>In other words they are kept by the Hampshire Record Office!! >>Chris >> >>Chris, >> >>I am not aware of any such records being held by the Constabulary. >>However, there is a Hampshire Constabulary History Society >>(www.hants.gov.uk/hchs) who may be able to help> Their website gives the >>details of the Hampshire Record Office for Family History Research >>(mailto:archives@hants.gov.uk). >> >>Kind regards >>Website Management Team >>Hampshire Constabulary >> >> >>============================== >>New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >>at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >>http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> > > " > Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are > putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and > humorist (1835-1910) > > Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason > and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Thanks Sandra That will save me having a proper look!! LOL Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] new web site - Military genealogy > The new genealogy site is an on-line search facility of "Soldiers who died > in the Great War" which has been around on CD for a number of years at > vast cost!! > I have searched both this and the CWGC site in the past and have found > very little difference in the two databases - probably because the former > actually uses the CWGC information. Occasionally there is a small amount > of additional information, but this is rarely of a genealogical nature. I > certainly have not found additional information about parentage on the > "Soldiers" CD. > Hope this helps > Sandra > > Chris and Caroline wrote: > >> Not too sure about this Kathryn as did not have time to go through it as >> I was just going up to London! >> Wish I hadn't now!! >> >> Its chaos up there, truck of Hydrogen Peroxide overturned them blew up >> scattering itself over all eight >> lanes in both directions about 15 minutes before we got there (Juntion 13 >> M3). Took two hours just to get around it. >> M4 also affected and M25 between Jnc 11 -13 closed in both directions!! >> Chris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Smith" >> <alison@oasts.screaming.net> >> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:10 PM >> Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] new web site - Military genealogy >> >> >>> Hi Listers, >>> Does this pay-per-view site actually give more information than the free >>> commonwealth war graves site? >>> >>> Kathryn >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

1851 Census H107 1480 page 849 72 York Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Joseph HILL, widower, age 45, Cordwainer, born Southampton Joseph H. HILL, son, unmarried, age 20, Cordwainer, born Southampton Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 823 1 Hope Place, St Margaret Westminster, London Edward KIRBY, age 43, Bricklayer, born Winchester, Hants Mary KIRBY, wife, age 39, born Tottenham Court Road, Middlesex 1851 Census H107 1480 page 823 4 Hope Place, St Margaret Westminster, London Charles CLARKSON, age 20, Cabinet Maker, born Portsmouth, Hants Mary Jane CLARKSON, wife, age 18, born Chelsea, Middlesex Jane CLARKSON, dau, age 6 months, born Chelsea, Middlesex 1851 Census H107 1480 page 824 7 Hope Place, St Margaret Westminster, London James CARPENTER, age 40, Labourer, born Southampton, Hants Ann CARPENTER, wife, age 29, born Sheerness, Kent Henry CARPENTER, son, age 5, born Westminster Margaret CARPENTER, dau, age 3, born Westminster Susannah CARPENTER, dau, age 2 months, born Westminster Linda Tasmania, Australia

Apart from the Hampshire constabulary, both Portsmouth and Southampton Record Offices have records of their City police forces. The Portsmouth records I know include some photographs of their policemen. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 10:11 30/08/2005, you wrote: >Somebody asked about records of people who were in the Hampshire Contabulary. >Here is the reply from the aforementioned!! >In other words they are kept by the Hampshire Record Office!! >Chris > >Chris, > >I am not aware of any such records being held by the Constabulary. >However, there is a Hampshire Constabulary History Society >(www.hants.gov.uk/hchs) who may be able to help> Their website gives the >details of the Hampshire Record Office for Family History Research >(mailto:archives@hants.gov.uk). > >Kind regards >Website Management Team >Hampshire Constabulary > > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)

Hi again, Sorry, just checked, the "Soldiers" database does include place of birth and address, so may be useful in identifying a relative when the medal rolls turn up a number of results. Sandra Sandra J Smith wrote: > The new genealogy site is an on-line search facility of "Soldiers who > died in the Great War" which has been around on CD for a number of > years at vast cost!! > I have searched both this and the CWGC site in the past and have found > very little difference in the two databases - probably because the > former actually uses the CWGC information. Occasionally there is a > small amount of additional information, but this is rarely of a > genealogical nature. I certainly have not found additional > information about parentage on the "Soldiers" CD. > Hope this helps > Sandra > > Chris and Caroline wrote: > >> Not too sure about this Kathryn as did not have time to go through it >> as I was just going up to London! >> Wish I hadn't now!! >> >> Its chaos up there, truck of Hydrogen Peroxide overturned them blew >> up scattering itself over all eight >> lanes in both directions about 15 minutes before we got there >> (Juntion 13 M3). Took two hours just to get around it. >> M4 also affected and M25 between Jnc 11 -13 closed in both directions!! >> Chris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Smith" >> <alison@oasts.screaming.net> >> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:10 PM >> Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] new web site - Military genealogy >> >> >>> Hi Listers, >>> Does this pay-per-view site actually give more information than the >>> free >>> commonwealth war graves site? >>> >>> Kathryn >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

1851 Census H107 1480 page 822 16 Snows Rents, St Margaret Westminster, London William ANTHONY, age 59, Labourer, born Winchester, Hants Mary Ann ANTHONY, wife, age 53, born Exeter, Devon Linda Tasmania, Australia

The new genealogy site is an on-line search facility of "Soldiers who died in the Great War" which has been around on CD for a number of years at vast cost!! I have searched both this and the CWGC site in the past and have found very little difference in the two databases - probably because the former actually uses the CWGC information. Occasionally there is a small amount of additional information, but this is rarely of a genealogical nature. I certainly have not found additional information about parentage on the "Soldiers" CD. Hope this helps Sandra Chris and Caroline wrote: > Not too sure about this Kathryn as did not have time to go through it > as I was just going up to London! > Wish I hadn't now!! > > Its chaos up there, truck of Hydrogen Peroxide overturned them blew up > scattering itself over all eight > lanes in both directions about 15 minutes before we got there (Juntion > 13 M3). Took two hours just to get around it. > M4 also affected and M25 between Jnc 11 -13 closed in both directions!! > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Smith" > <alison@oasts.screaming.net> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:10 PM > Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] new web site - Military genealogy > > >> Hi Listers, >> Does this pay-per-view site actually give more information than the free >> commonwealth war graves site? >> >> Kathryn >> >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > >

Not too sure about this Kathryn as did not have time to go through it as I was just going up to London! Wish I hadn't now!! Its chaos up there, truck of Hydrogen Peroxide overturned them blew up scattering itself over all eight lanes in both directions about 15 minutes before we got there (Juntion 13 M3). Took two hours just to get around it. M4 also affected and M25 between Jnc 11 -13 closed in both directions!! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Smith" <alison@oasts.screaming.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] new web site - Military genealogy > Hi Listers, > Does this pay-per-view site actually give more information than the free > commonwealth war graves site? > > Kathryn > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

1851 Census H107 1480 page 808 11 Gardeners Lane, St Margaret Westminster, London Charles CATTRELL, Lodger, unmarried, age 60, Labourer, born Hampshire Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 798 94 York Street, St Margaret Westminster, London John SPONG, age 29, Labourer, born Staplehurst, Kent Harriet SPONG, wife, age 32, born looks like Weston Wells, Hampshire Sarah SPONG, dau, age 4, born Westminster John SPONG, son, age 2, born Westminster Harriet SPONG, dau, age 3 months, born Westminster 1851 Census H107 1480 page 800 89 York Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Charles YOUNG, age 42, Cordwainer, born Botley, Hants Sarah YOUNG, wife, age 40, Boot Binder, born Fulham, Middlesex William YOUNG, son, unmarried, age 19, Cordwainer, born Chelsea, Middlesex Jane YOUNG, dau, age 17, Boot Binder, born Southampton, Hants 1851 Census H107 1480 page 805 3 Gardeners Lane, St Margaret Westminster, London James BAINBRIDGE, Lodger, unmarried, age 40, Labourer, born Andover, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hi Listers, Does this pay-per-view site actually give more information than the free commonwealth war graves site? Kathryn

1851 Census H107 1480 page 794 100 York Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Samuel JONES, age 40, Journeyman Carpenter, born Southampton, Hants Eliza JONES, wife, age 33, born Richmond, Surrey Eliza JONES, dau, age 1, born Westminster 1851 Census H107 1480 page 794 99 York Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Johanah PURDY, widow, unmarried, age 60, Needlewoman, born Ryde, Isle of Wight Hannah PURDY, dau, unmarried, age 27, Needlewoman, born St Pancras, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

Thought this might be useful. Chris The Naval & Military Press are proud to announce the launch of a brand new website for military historians and family genealogists. There can hardly have been a family in Britain which was not touched in some way by the tragedy of the First World War, the "Great War for Civilisation". Great Britain, alone among the major European nations, went to war in 1914 with an army based on voluntary enlistment, numbering just over 247,000 at the outset with 486,000 Reserves and Territorials. By November 1918 almost a further 5,000,000 had enlisted, over half of them volunteers. For the first time since Napoleon, Britain had become a nation in arms and, in January 1916, for the first time in the country's history, conscription was introduced. The war developed into one of attrition as the allies strove to break through the formidable enemy defences and, by the end, casualties on both sides were on a scale hitherto unparalleled. In 1921, eighty one volumes were published embracing every regiment and corps of the British Army listing almost 662,000 Soldiers and 41,000 Officers who died in the war, and it is this immense undertaking which is available within this website on a pay-per-view basis. Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914 to 1919, is available now and is our first searchable database to go online. We invite you to have a look at this exciting new website https://www.military-genealogy.com/

Somebody asked about records of people who were in the Hampshire Contabulary. Here is the reply from the aforementioned!! In other words they are kept by the Hampshire Record Office!! Chris Chris, I am not aware of any such records being held by the Constabulary. However, there is a Hampshire Constabulary History Society (www.hants.gov.uk/hchs) who may be able to help> Their website gives the details of the Hampshire Record Office for Family History Research (mailto:archives@hants.gov.uk). Kind regards Website Management Team Hampshire Constabulary

Would someone be so kind as to do a look-up on the National Death Index for a William (Will) Messenger from Portsmouth, Hants. I'm not familiar with what information is required to do this. All that I know about him is that he was born in Portsea Dec. 1880 and retired from the Royal Navy in 1922. He was the only member of the family who remained in England after his parents and siblings moved to Canada. Thanking you in advance. Grace Canada

Alison: As far as I can see the only difference is place of birth, and normal residence upon signing up - but perhaps someone will prove me wrong! The Commonwealth graves site does sometimes give next of kin i.e. son of , or husband of , so may in fact be more helpful. Linda Alison Smith <alison@oasts.screaming.net> wrote: Hi Listers, Does this pay-per-view site actually give more information than the free commonwealth war graves site? Kathryn ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx