Has anyone got a 1945 Kelly's to see if they can find these people in Alverstoke Gosport. I went to Gosport today to take some pictures of houses that relatives lived in and I was surprised how many were missing. Does anyone know where Charles Street was. Bob Newell

Jen, You should report it to ancestry and they will eventually correct the problem. Sandra Jennifer Young wrote: > Hi List, > > Does anyone have any suggestions about where I can access a page of > the 1871 census, other than Ancestry.com? I am researching Ada Selina > Harriet Young and her family who I think were living in Osborne Road, > Portsmouth. However the page has an imprint of the next over it and I > cannot read the text! > > http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/? > htx=view&r=an&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1153_1156-0377&desc=Ada+S+H > +Young&pid=385537 > > Any ideas gratefully received. > > Jen Young > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

If you give me what you need i will see if i can help regards Shan manager of Ancestry Aid www.ancestryaid.co.uk -------Original Message------- From: Jennifer Young Date: 09/04/05 20:35:23 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] poor census quality Hi List, Does anyone have any suggestions about where I can access a page of the 1871 census, other than Ancestry.com? I am researching Ada Selina Harriet Young and her family who I think were living in Osborne Road, Portsmouth. However the page has an imprint of the next over it and I cannot read the text! http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/? htx=view&r=an&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1153_1156-0377&desc=Ada+S+H +Young&pid=385537 Any ideas gratefully received. Jen Young ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi List, Does anyone have any suggestions about where I can access a page of the 1871 census, other than Ancestry.com? I am researching Ada Selina Harriet Young and her family who I think were living in Osborne Road, Portsmouth. However the page has an imprint of the next over it and I cannot read the text! http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/? htx=view&r=an&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1153_1156-0377&desc=Ada+S+H +Young&pid=385537 Any ideas gratefully received. Jen Young

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1084 and 1085 2 Henry Place, St Margaret Westminster, London William PAINTER, age 39, Brewers Servant, born Sherfield, Hants Hannah PAINTER, wife, age 39, Dressmaker, born Sherfield, Hants William PAINTER, son, age 9, scholar, born Westminster Emma PAINTER, dau, age 8, scholar, born St Georges 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1092 3 Isabella Row, St Margaret Westminster, London John PAINTER, age 26, Brewers Servant, born Sherfield, Hants Eliza PAINTER, wife, age 26, born Watlington, Oxfordshire Mary Ann PAINTER, dau, age 15 months, born St Margaret Westminster 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1086 4 Henry Place, St Margaret Westminster, London Esau PIDGEON, age 47, Labourer, born Basingstoke, Hants Mary Ann PIDGEON, wife, age 49, born Basingstoke, Hants Mary Ann PIDGEON, dau, unmarried, age 23, born Basingstoke, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1076 41 Castle Lane, St Margaret Westminster, London Andrew J. SABINE, age 42, Journeyman Tailor, born Portsmouth, Hampshire Ann SABINE, wife, age 38, born St Margaret Westminster Edward SABINE, son, age 16, Tailor, born St Margaret Westminster Walter SABINE, son, age 11, scholar, born St Margaret Westminster Charles SABINE, son, age 8, scholar, born St Margaret Westminster Francis SABINE, son, age 4, scholar, born St Margaret Westminster Mary Ann SABINE, dau, age 2, born St Margaret Westminster 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1081 and 1082 4 Castle Place, St Margaret Westminster, London William WEBB, age 36, Smith, born Southampton Amelia WEBB, wife, age 31, born Dublin Thomas WEBB, son, age 10, born Chelsea Sarah WEBB, dau, age 5, born St Margaret Westminster Thomas WEBB, son, age 2, born St Margaret Westminster Esther WEBB, dau, age 2 months, born St Margaret Westminster (Yes two son's named Thomas) possible connection from the above to the following: 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1082 1 Castle Court, St Margaret Westminster, London Thomas WEBB, age 51, Blacksmith, born Fareham, Hants Esther WEBB, wife, age 60, born Fareham, Hants Thomas WEBB, son, unmarried, age 32, hard to read occupation looks like Barthis? Maker, born Fareham, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1066 and 1067 23 Castle Lane, St Margaret Westminster, London Frederick CHURCHES, age 40, Soldier, born Parish of Meare, Somerset Mary CHURCHES, wife, age 37, born Gloucester Charles CHURCHES, son, age 7, scholar, born Winchester, Hampshire Elizabeth CHURCHES, dau, age 5, scholar, born Westminster 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1068 25 Castle Lane, St Margaret Westminster, London Mary BRISTOE, Visitor, unmarried, age 26, Shirt Maker, born Andover, Hampshire 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1074 38 Castle Lane, St Margaret Westminster, London Henry DAVIES, age 43, Tailor, born Winchester Eliza DAVIES, wife, age 42, born St Margaret Westminster Henry DAVIES, son, age 12, scholar, born St Margaret Westminster Thomas DAVIES, son, age 2, born St Margaret Westminster Linda Tasmania, Australia

Many thanks for the link. I still believe we are very lucky in the UK to have such a rich variety and high survival of sources to explore. And while war time bombing and paper reclaimation losses (not to mention insects, rodents, and fire related accidents!) have shot quite a few holes in the historic records, we do have a magnificent paper heritage. However the changes in technology and the pace of change has introduced new ephemeral information storage, coupled with the costs associated with storage, leads to new problems. Personally I'll be looking forward to comments on Newspapers ! Given the UK has already lost a number of local holdings, the comments on the options for preserving and providing economical access to the remaining collections (whether located nationally or locally), especially "more recent issues" (post 1900, which were cheap, bulky, and never designed for long term survival), should be interesting. Incidentally I'm increasingly aware of course that in some instances we may be down to one or two surviving legible copies of regional papers. TTFN Richard H

Great minds think alike Jon I have just sent the same thing to the list!! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:25 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] More bad news for future censuses > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/losing_the_past.shtml > > Regards to all, Jon > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/05 > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Got this from a lister and thought I would pass it on for your comments. Chris Hi Chris I'm a bit behind reading the lists, so someone may have sent in the following already. I bet it will set off lots of fireworks! (I've just sent the message to the Bristol list) Ron I haven't seen this yet on any lists, but come 2051, '61, '71, it will be generating lots of discussion! The following quote is from a trailer for a BBC Radio 4 programme: "In Part One of "Losing the Past", Richard Hollingham investigates specific examples of what is now unplayable or unreadable. For example, he can reveal for the first time, that the UK population census data from 1951 are lost, as are significant parts of the 1961 and 1971 census data." http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/losing_the_past.shtml I'll be 104 in 2051, so can't imagine that I'll be contributing! Best wishes Ron

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/losing_the_past.shtml Regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/05

Not sure what ist it was but somebody mentioned CAWTE as being the Mayor of Southampton a while ago. So am sending this snippet from todays Southern Echo. Chris "75 YEARS AGO Southampton was coming to terms with the shocking news following the death of Henry CAWTE JP, an ex-mayor of Southampton and ex alderman of the Borough Council, who died from cerebral haemorrhage. Mr Cawte was one of the best known men in Southampton, who had been a Shirley resident for more than 50 years and a familiar face through his work on the borough council and as a builder and contractor"

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1043 7 Buckingham Street, St Margaret Westminster, London William SHAW, age 62, Butler, born Southampton, Hants Mary SHAW, wife, age 43, Seamstress, born Fordingbridge, Hants William SHAW, son, age 6, scholar, born Westminster Maria E. SHAW, dau, age 4, scholar, born Westminster Linda Tasmania, Australia

I tried again .I went too far down the page first time I should have stopped earlier. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris and Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Free 1901 census access > I found this as well Ann > So did not bother as get enough spam mailings as it is from them! > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Day" <ann.day@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Free 1901 census access > > > >2 problems -Some way in -I had to choose an enumeration district & then > > subscribe to ancestry > > Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> > > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:02 PM > > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Free 1901 census access > > > > > >> Hi lists, for those who dont have access to 1901 census through a > >> subscription, you can access it free of charge during September. > >> You may be able to get free access from other sites, but I have found > >> this one... > >> http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php > >> Regards > >> Sandra > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >> > >> > > > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1024 29 Palace Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Harriet Jane PAYNE, unmarried, age 39, Charwoman, born Alton, Hampshire Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 962 21 Stafford Place South, St Margaret Westminster, London Thomas WHITE, Lodger, unmarried, age 29, Servant, born Andover, Hants 1851 Census H107 1480 page 981 21 Catherine Street, St Margaret Westminster, London Richard BUDD, age 56, Tailor, born Brockenhurst, Hants Judith BUDD, wife, age 50, born Winchester, Hants 1851 Census H107 1480 page 995 32 James Street, St Margaret Westminster, London James WILLIAMS, Visitor, married, age 46, Carpenter Journeyman, born Southampton, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hi Ann, I think it must depend on the things you put in to the initial search. I found my family no problem, all I put in was the name of one person in the family and the county and town I expected to find them in. Having found this one person, I just clicked on 'view other family members'. I registered with the site a while ago, although I didn't 'subscribe'. Now every time theres a limited period free access offer, I seem to ba able to get in without having to re-register, but I still don't have a subscription, nor do I get any spam from them (If I remember rightly, there's a check box on the registration which you can un-check if you don't want e-mails from them). Hope this helps Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay, N Wales -----Original Message----- From: A. Day [mailto:ann.day@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 03 September 2005 12:44 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Free 1901 census access 2 problems -Some way in -I had to choose an enumeration district & then subscribe to ancestry Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Free 1901 census access > Hi lists, for those who dont have access to 1901 census through a > subscription, you can access it free of charge during September. > You may be able to get free access from other sites, but I have found > this one... > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php > Regards > Sandra > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

1851 Census H107 1480 page 958 14 Stafford Place South, St Margaret Westminster, London Jane SMITH, wife, married, age 43, born Gosport, Hants Jane SMITH, dau, age 17, Dressmakers Apprentice, born Gosport, Hants William SMITH, son, age 15, House Agents Clerk, born Pimlico, Middlesex George SMITH, son, age 11, scholar, born Pimlico, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

Genealogy has increased about 10 fold since the coming of the internet Linda, and they reckon it is one of the top subjects put into search engines. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "LINDA MARTIN" <lmmartin@rogers.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Free 1901 census access > Sandra: > > Yes I saw the news about Quinetic - amazing amount of money involved. > Goes to show how many of us family history "nuts" there are out there > doesn't it?! > > LInda.

I found this as well Ann So did not bother as get enough spam mailings as it is from them! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Day" <ann.day@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Free 1901 census access >2 problems -Some way in -I had to choose an enumeration district & then > subscribe to ancestry > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:02 PM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Free 1901 census access > > >> Hi lists, for those who dont have access to 1901 census through a >> subscription, you can access it free of charge during September. >> You may be able to get free access from other sites, but I have found >> this one... >> http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php >> Regards >> Sandra >> >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >