Hello Rose, My gggrandparents were at 4 Kingswood which is in Luggershall Hampshire , Wendy

Thank you to every one who sent me info on Tichborne Estate . I'm still not sure if my Great grandmother was really born there or not , but I doubt she was . Some questions will never get a positive answer . Thanks again , Thelma

Only one I can find is on the Christchurch Road at Bournemouth Rose. But there is a parish called this at Gloucesterhire and Surrey, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Opiekan" <> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Where is Kingswood >I have a relative who lists Kingswood Hampshire as place of birth. Parents >married in Romsey. Could someone please advise location. > > Thanks, > > > Rose > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Try contacting the Bournemouth Echo Toni They normally come up trumps http://www.thisisdorset.net/ Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toni Leather" <leathertk@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Miss Bournemouth 1933 > My grandmother, Muriel Alice Hutchins, was crowned Miss Bournemouth in, I > believe, 1933. Her portrait was displayed in a photographer's shop > window. My grandfather saw the picture, fell in love with it, and asked > the photographer who it was and how he could meet her. So began the saga > culminating in my 42 year old, married father of 2, grandfather > disappearing without trace from the lives of his family. He subsequently > had 6 children with Miss Bournemouth, I am a descendant of this 2nd > relationship. Incidentally, 68 years later, I had the opportunity to tell > grandfather's oldest son what had become of his beloved father. > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can find out more about Miss > Bournemouth 1933 and locate the photographer? I guess the obvious answer > is the local paper, but what paper, can it be narrowed down to a > particular month, would it be likely to tell me the photographer and how > do I access this information when not in Hampshire? > > The portrait was a painting which had been done from the official photo of > Miss Bournemouth. I'd like to find out if the painting still exists > anywhere, the family have just a photo and not the painting, but where do > I start? > > Regards > Toni > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Just to let everyone know that all Linda Hardy's hard work has been added to the Strays site with her permission so if you have missed any then they should be easy to find. Regards Annemarie Shuttle Hornchurch, Essex, England websites: Essex surnames List www.essexsurnames-ashuttle.co.uk Strays http://freespace.virgin.net/annemarie.shuttle/

Thanks for the offer but no Archie on my list as yet. Rose

Toni, Just a thought, Bournemouth Central Library has the Daily Echo, Graphic, and Guardian (all post 1920). So it might be worth a telephone call (or possibly there is an email contact on the web) to see exactly what they hold and if the library can help. Best of luck Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toni Leather" <leathertk@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Miss Bournemouth 1933 > My grandmother, Muriel Alice Hutchins, was crowned Miss Bournemouth in, I > believe, 1933. Her portrait was displayed in a photographer's shop > window. My grandfather saw the picture, fell in love with it, and asked > the photographer who it was and how he could meet her. So began the saga > culminating in my 42 year old, married father of 2, grandfather > disappearing without trace from the lives of his family. He subsequently > had 6 children with Miss Bournemouth, I am a descendant of this 2nd > relationship. Incidentally, 68 years later, I had the opportunity to tell > grandfather's oldest son what had become of his beloved father. > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can find out more about Miss > Bournemouth 1933 and locate the photographer? I guess the obvious answer > is the local paper, but what paper, can it be narrowed down to a > particular month, would it be likely to tell me the photographer and how > do I access this information when not in Hampshire? > > The portrait was a painting which had been done from the official photo of > Miss Bournemouth. I'd like to find out if the painting still exists > anywhere, the family have just a photo and not the painting, but where do > I start? > > Regards > Toni > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

My grandmother, Muriel Alice Hutchins, was crowned Miss Bournemouth in, I believe, 1933. Her portrait was displayed in a photographer's shop window. My grandfather saw the picture, fell in love with it, and asked the photographer who it was and how he could meet her. So began the saga culminating in my 42 year old, married father of 2, grandfather disappearing without trace from the lives of his family. He subsequently had 6 children with Miss Bournemouth, I am a descendant of this 2nd relationship. Incidentally, 68 years later, I had the opportunity to tell grandfather's oldest son what had become of his beloved father. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can find out more about Miss Bournemouth 1933 and locate the photographer? I guess the obvious answer is the local paper, but what paper, can it be narrowed down to a particular month, would it be likely to tell me the photographer and how do I access this information when not in Hampshire? The portrait was a painting which had been done from the official photo of Miss Bournemouth. I'd like to find out if the painting still exists anywhere, the family have just a photo and not the painting, but where do I start? Regards Toni

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1151 11 Brewers Row, St Margaret Westminster, London Joseph BARKER, Visitor, unmarried, age 50, Servant, born Portsmouth 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1158 4 Buckingham Row, St Margaret Westminster, London Charles HARPER, age 24, Gas Fitter, born Westminster Amelia HARPER, wife, age 27, born Gosport Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1144 3 York Place, St Margaret Westminster, London Edwin BURTON, Visitor, unmarried, age 28, Warehouse Porter, born Ringwood, Hampshire 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1145 5 York Place, St Margaret Westminster, London Richard LOCK, age 66, Gentlemans Coachman, born Down Hurstbourne, Hampshire Mary LOCK, wife, age 65, Laundress, born looks like Chapel Chantler, Staffordshire Emma LOCK, dau, unmarried, age 21, House Servant, born St James Westminster Charlotte LOCK, dau, age 14, scholar, born St Johns Westminster Hannah LOCK, Sister, unmarried, age 61, Formerly Servant, born Down Hurstbourne, Hampshire 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1146 7 York Place, St Margaret Westminster, London Matilda PONTING, Servant, age 15, House Servant, born Workhouse, Hampshire Linda Tasmania, Australia

No problem Rose Had a copy of the friends book given us and there are quite a few names in N Stoneham that appear in it. Mostly old football teams and school photos, but some of the families outside their houses. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Chalk Coombes Emery > Thanks for the offer but no Archie on my list as yet. > > > Rose > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Can SKS do a look up the 1841 Hampshire census for me please. Bob

All of the work Linda and a few other helpful people have done transcribing the strays can be found on my strays website. Regards Annemarie Shuttle Hornchurch, Essex, England websites: Essex surnames List www.essexsurnames-ashuttle.co.uk Strays http://freespace.virgin.net/annemarie.shuttle/ -----Original Message----- From: David DOWD [mailto:david.dowd@tesco.net] Sent: 06 September 2005 07:59 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] BURTON, LOCK, PONTING stray 1851 Census Dear Linda, I don't whether anybody's bothered to thank you for the sterling work you do in posting all those strays, but they are always a good read, even if you avoid mentioning any relatives of mine! Anyway, thank you for your efforts (is anyone collating them?). Regards, David ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Dear Linda, I don't whether anybody's bothered to thank you for the sterling work you do in posting all those strays, but they are always a good read, even if you avoid mentioning any relatives of mine! Anyway, thank you for your efforts (is anyone collating them?). Regards, David

Researching Agnes Coombes b c1883 Hedge End married 1900 South Stoneham Walter Chalk b c1878 Hedge End Emily Mary Coombes b c1874 Moor Green married 1890 South Stoneham Harry Emery bapt 31/5/1868 Botley also Samuel Coombes b c1867James Coombes b c1878 John Coombes b c1880 Rose

Hi Rose Have you by any chance got EMERY's in North Stoneham as well as South? The reason I ask is I was looking through a book written by a friend of ours about North Stoneham and there is an Archie EMERY featured there c 1949 in a photo of the Darts Club Outing from the Cricketers pub in North Stoneham. If it is let me know and I will scan the photo for you. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Chalk Coombes Emery > Researching Agnes Coombes b c1883 Hedge End married 1900 South Stoneham > Walter Chalk b c1878 Hedge End > Emily Mary Coombes b c1874 Moor Green married 1890 South Stoneham Harry > Emery bapt 31/5/1868 Botley > also Samuel Coombes b c1867James Coombes b c1878 John Coombes b c1880 > > Rose > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

I have not got a birth Certificate but this is what is listed in the 1871 Census when he is living with his Grandmother. The parents worked and lived in Alverstoke till their deaths and all their other children were born in Alverstoke. I think it is just one of those disappearing children, perhaps he died. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] John GALLIENNE > One thought, about the comment 'going back there just to have a baby'. > I would guess the marriage was in Alverstoke in 1860 because that was > where the bride's family lived. > Where they would live subsequently would be where the groom worked. I > can't see offhand why that could not be Guernsey, especially if the groom > had family connections there. > Of course, if you have that 1862 birth cert saying Alverstoke there's > nothing more to be said, and I apologise for sticking my oar in! > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > ================ > > At 15:49 02/09/2005, you wrote: >>Would like some help trying to find a missing ancestor and solving a >>mystery. John GALLIENNE b abt 1862 Alverstoke to Thomas Henry GALLIENNE & >>Ellen (nee RILEY) I have after tracking him down on an 1871 Census living >>with his Grandmother Mary Burgess nee Riley nee unknown maiden name and >>his sister Ellen Mary. Why it was difficult was there were a few >>transcription errors e.go born in Germany, parish of Alverstoke and his >>sister listed as a grandson. I know the history of his sister who was an >>idiot from birth and ended up in the workhouse and eventually Knowle >>hospital where she died. But was John also living there because there was >>something wrong with him also. I cannot find any trace of him or his >>grandmother after that perhaps she died 1882. Also strange is in this >>census he is listed as being born Guernsey on the image ( hence the >>transcribing as Germany), when in fact his parents were married in >>Alverstoke 1860. I know that his father was born in Guernsey but I can't >>see them going back there just to have a baby. Perhaps another error. >>Any help would be really welcome. >>Kind regards >>Bob Newell >> >>============================== >>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > > " > Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are > putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and > humorist (1835-1910) > > Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason > and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

One thought, about the comment 'going back there just to have a baby'. I would guess the marriage was in Alverstoke in 1860 because that was where the bride's family lived. Where they would live subsequently would be where the groom worked. I can't see offhand why that could not be Guernsey, especially if the groom had family connections there. Of course, if you have that 1862 birth cert saying Alverstoke there's nothing more to be said, and I apologise for sticking my oar in! Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================ At 15:49 02/09/2005, you wrote: >Would like some help trying to find a missing ancestor and solving a >mystery. John GALLIENNE b abt 1862 Alverstoke to Thomas Henry GALLIENNE & >Ellen (nee RILEY) I have after tracking him down on an 1871 Census living >with his Grandmother Mary Burgess nee Riley nee unknown maiden name and >his sister Ellen Mary. Why it was difficult was there were a few >transcription errors e.go born in Germany, parish of Alverstoke and his >sister listed as a grandson. I know the history of his sister who was an >idiot from birth and ended up in the workhouse and eventually Knowle >hospital where she died. But was John also living there because there was >something wrong with him also. I cannot find any trace of him or his >grandmother after that perhaps she died 1882. Also strange is in this >census he is listed as being born Guernsey on the image ( hence the >transcribing as Germany), when in fact his parents were married in >Alverstoke 1860. I know that his father was born in Guernsey but I can't >see them going back there just to have a baby. Perhaps another error. >Any help would be really welcome. >Kind regards >Bob Newell > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1113 5 Artillery Terrace, St Margaret Westminster, London Sarah COUSINS, widow, age 70, Stay Maker, born Newport, Isle of Wight At the same address as above: 5 Artillery Terrace, but separate entry: Robert ASHLEY, age 54, Greengrocer, born Newington, Surrey Elizabeth ASHLEY, wife, age 54, born Ringwood, Hampshire Charles ASHLEY, son, unmarried, age 31, Brewers Drayman, born Westminster John ASHLEY, son, unmarried, age 25, Railway Porter, born Westminster 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1117 and 1118 3 Brewers Place, St Margaret Westminster, London Elizabeth FAULKNER, widow, age 82, Nurse, born Northampton James FAULKNER, son, married, age 48, Gas Fitter, born Westminster Sarah FAULKNER, dau-in-law, age 51, Charwoman, born Isle of Wight Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1098 Emanuel Hospital, St Margaret Westminster, London Elizabeth BOYCE, unmarried, age 23, Servant, born Twyford, Hampshire Mary PENNY, unmarried, age 40, Cook, born Southampton, Hampshire Elizabeth BROMLEY, unmarried, age 44, Nurse, born Winchester, Hampshire Linda Tasmania, Australia