Did you find this on the census? If so, was it a transcription or the original you were looking at? Are you sure it was actually Kingswood? Ringwood is very near to Romsey and could have been mis- transcribed. Regards Valerie

I believe I did say that, if you read far enough! Dave J ========= At 20:35 08/09/2005, you wrote: >Well that po number is Ringwood >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> >To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:29 PM >Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is Kingswood > > >>Dear Rose >> >>I have followed the fruitless search for this place with interest, and am >>sorry you appear to have given up. >> >>Maybe as someone says you will never know, but a few questions really >>needed to be asked first, and possible other avenues explored. >> >>At 11:46 07/09/2005, you wrote: >>>I have a relative who lists Kingswood Hampshire as place of birth. >>>Parents married in Romsey. Could someone please advise location. >>>Thanks, >>>Rose >>>============================== >> >>Under what circumstances, or in what source document, is this birthplace >>noted?. >>If in a census, where was the census taken when this birthplace was cited? >>Are you reading the original document, or quoting from a transcription? >>If the person was child, where were other children born? >>What was the father's occupation, could his job have involved moving >>around the county? >>What year are we talking about? As someone has indicated, place names do >>tend to change over the centuries. >> >>Someone else mentioned 'this address', but surely it is not an address, >>but a birthplace. If cited in a census return, the precision of such >>place names tends to vary with the distance from where the person >>happened to be for the census. For instance, if the census was taken in >>the north of England, or say London, the place name such as Romsey might >>be sufficient, as the enumerator might never have heard of small places >>nearby. On the other hand if the census was taken near the birthplace, a >>more detailed place name is often given. This might be a parish, or a >>hamlet within a parish, or even the name of a farm with a small cluster >>of cottages around it. >>What I have never seen is any attempt at stating a detailed address, ie >>house name or number and street, so I would think such interpretations >>would be wrong. >> >>Having said all that, I found this business address that sounds worth >>pursuing: >> >>Millers Antiques Ltd. >> >>Kingswood >>Hampshire BH24 1DR >>==================== >> >>This post code turns out to be in Christchurch Road, Ringwood ! >> >>On with the search - maybe! >> >>Cheers, Dave Jacobs >>======================== >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1346 8 and 9 Lowndes Terrace, St Margaret Westminster, London Anne HARVEY, widow, age 39, Draper, born Winchester, Hants Edith HARVEY, dau, age 10, born Westminster Benjamin HARVEY, son, age 3, born looks like Hooshod?, Essex Sarah BEALE, Sister, married, age 30, born Winchester, Hants Jane CLEMENT, Visitor, unmarried, age 26, born Alton, Hants Philip WATSON, Nephew, age 16, Assistant Draper, born Winchester, Hants Joseph WATSON, Nephew, age 14, Cashier, born Winchester, Hants Alfred OATES, Brother, unmarried, age 33, Cashier, born Winchester, Hants Maria CLARKE, unmarried, age 24, House Maid, born Winchester, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

Thanks to all re Kingswood. Guess I'll never know exactly what their address Kingswood meant. Rose

Well that po number is Ringwood ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is Kingswood > Dear Rose > > I have followed the fruitless search for this place with interest, and am > sorry you appear to have given up. > > Maybe as someone says you will never know, but a few questions really > needed to be asked first, and possible other avenues explored. > > At 11:46 07/09/2005, you wrote: >>I have a relative who lists Kingswood Hampshire as place of birth. >>Parents married in Romsey. Could someone please advise location. >>Thanks, >>Rose >>============================== > > Under what circumstances, or in what source document, is this birthplace > noted?. > If in a census, where was the census taken when this birthplace was cited? > Are you reading the original document, or quoting from a transcription? > If the person was child, where were other children born? > What was the father's occupation, could his job have involved moving > around the county? > What year are we talking about? As someone has indicated, place names do > tend to change over the centuries. > > Someone else mentioned 'this address', but surely it is not an address, > but a birthplace. If cited in a census return, the precision of such place > names tends to vary with the distance from where the person happened to be > for the census. For instance, if the census was taken in the north of > England, or say London, the place name such as Romsey might be sufficient, > as the enumerator might never have heard of small places nearby. On the > other hand if the census was taken near the birthplace, a more detailed > place name is often given. This might be a parish, or a hamlet within a > parish, or even the name of a farm with a small cluster of cottages around > it. > What I have never seen is any attempt at stating a detailed address, ie > house name or number and street, so I would think such interpretations > would be wrong. > > Having said all that, I found this business address that sounds worth > pursuing: > > Millers Antiques Ltd. > > Kingswood > Hampshire BH24 1DR > ==================== > > This post code turns out to be in Christchurch Road, Ringwood ! > > On with the search - maybe! > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > ======================== > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Dear Rose I have followed the fruitless search for this place with interest, and am sorry you appear to have given up. Maybe as someone says you will never know, but a few questions really needed to be asked first, and possible other avenues explored. At 11:46 07/09/2005, you wrote: >I have a relative who lists Kingswood Hampshire as place of birth. >Parents married in Romsey. Could someone please advise location. >Thanks, >Rose >============================== Under what circumstances, or in what source document, is this birthplace noted?. If in a census, where was the census taken when this birthplace was cited? Are you reading the original document, or quoting from a transcription? If the person was child, where were other children born? What was the father's occupation, could his job have involved moving around the county? What year are we talking about? As someone has indicated, place names do tend to change over the centuries. Someone else mentioned 'this address', but surely it is not an address, but a birthplace. If cited in a census return, the precision of such place names tends to vary with the distance from where the person happened to be for the census. For instance, if the census was taken in the north of England, or say London, the place name such as Romsey might be sufficient, as the enumerator might never have heard of small places nearby. On the other hand if the census was taken near the birthplace, a more detailed place name is often given. This might be a parish, or a hamlet within a parish, or even the name of a farm with a small cluster of cottages around it. What I have never seen is any attempt at stating a detailed address, ie house name or number and street, so I would think such interpretations would be wrong. Having said all that, I found this business address that sounds worth pursuing: Millers Antiques Ltd. Kingswood Hampshire BH24 1DR ==================== This post code turns out to be in Christchurch Road, Ringwood ! On with the search - maybe! Cheers, Dave Jacobs ========================

That was one of the reasons I was asking exactly what information Rose had: - where does the relative list Kingswood, Hampshire as their place of birth? If it's on a birth certificate then there must also be other registration district etc information that would provide a clue. If it's on a census maybe that could be cross-checked with another census earlier or later. - depending on when the relative was born, can the birth registration be searched for and the certificate ordered to see what that says? There may be other clues about where the family was through the years that might help tie down the whereabouts of this Kingswood. Karen On 08/09/05, Chris and Caroline <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > It could be referring to the name of a house Rose, and not necessarily an > area. > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> > > Thanks to all re Kingswood. Guess I'll never know exactly what their > > address Kingswood meant. > > > > Rose >

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1324 and 1325 19 Gloster Terrace, St Margaret Westminster, London William MALLETT, widower, age 69, Blind Maker, born Cowes, Isle of Wight Henry MALLETT, son, married, age 31, Blind Maker, born Winkfield, Berkshire Mary Ann MALLETT, dau-in-law, married, age 26, born Camberwell, Surrey Mary Ann MALLETT, granddau, age 4, born Pimlico, Middlesex William Henry MALLETT, grandson, age 2, born Pimlico, Middlesex Ada MALLETT, granddau, age 1, born Pimlico, Middlesex possible connection to the above: 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1335 5 Mans Cottages, St Margaret Westminster, London James MALLETT, age 32, Jobbing Carpenter, born Winkfield, Berkshire Caroline MALLETT, wife, age 52, born Chaddleworth, Berkshire William MALLETT, son, age 9, born Old Ford Bow, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1321 13 Gloster Terrace, St Margaret Westminster, London William Henry SHACKLEFORD, age 57, Merchants Clerk, born Southampton, Hants Jane SHACKLEFORD, wife, age 40, born St Austell, Cornwall William Hopkins SHACKLEFORD, son, age 13, Errand Boy, born London Middlesex Alfred Edward SHACKLEFORD, son, age 7, born London Middlesex Richard John SHACKLEFORD, son, age 3, born London Middlesex 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1326 21 Gloster Terrace, St Margaret Westminster, London Sarah BLUNDEN, Servant, age 17, born Church Oakley, Hants Charles BLUNDEN, Errand Boy, age 13, born Church Oakley, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1332 27 Gloster Terrace, St Margaret Westminster, London James Henry GREEN, age 34, French Polisher and Beer Retailer, born St Pancras, Middlesex Sarah GREEN, wife, age 37, born Lymington, Hants Ann Eliza GREEN, dau, age 7, at home, born Westminster Fanny GREEN, dau, age 5, scholar, born Westminster Louisa GREEN, dau, age 3, scholar, born Westminster Jessie GREEN, dau, age 7 months, born Westminster 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1334 3 Mans Cottages, St Margaret Westminster, London Edward BLAKE, age 43, Porter, born Wootton Bassett, Wiltshire Elizabeth BLAKE, wife, age 39, born Richmond, Surrey James BLAKE, son, age 12, Errand Boy, born Southsea, Hampshire Henry BLAKE, son, age 10, scholar, born London Middlesex Alfred BLAKE, son, age 7, scholar, born St Margaret Westminster Elizabeth BLAKE, dau, age 6, scholar, born St Margaret Westminster Isabella BLAKE, dau, age 5, scholar, born St Margaret Westminster Mary Ann BLAKE, dau, age 3, born St Margaret Westminster George BLAKE, son, age 1, born St Margaret Westminster 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1334 4 Mans Cottages, St Margaret Westminster, London Charles LININGTON, age 30, Wood Turner, born Kingston, Hampshire Hannah Whaly LININGTON, wife, age 29, born St Martins in the Fields, Middlesex Charles George LININGTON, son, age 7, born St Anns Soho, Middlesex Hannah Mary LININGTON, dau, age 5, born St George Bloomsbury, Middlesex Edward James LININGTON, son, age 10 months, born St Johns Westminster Linda Tasmania, Australia

It could be referring to the name of a house Rose, and not necessarily an area. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Thanks Re: Kingswood > Thanks to all re Kingswood. Guess I'll never know exactly what their > address Kingswood meant. > > Rose > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1310 8 Belvoir Terrace, St Margaret Westminster, London William EVANS, age 58, Sherriff Officers Assistant, born Southampton, Hants Elizabeth EVANS, wife, age 59, born Clunn, Salop Amelia EVANS, dau, unmarried, age 23, Dressmaker, born St Georges Westminster At the same address as above: 8 Belvoir Terrace, but separate entry: Robert WILLS, age 67, Carpenter, born Portsea, Hants Harriot WILLS, wife, age 65, born Britford, Wiltshire Harriot WILLS, dau, unmarried, age 26, Governess, born St Marylebone, Middlesex 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1312 11 Belvoir Terrace, St Margaret Westminster, London Elizabeth DYKE, widow, age 61, Annuitant, born Basingstoke, Hampshire Linda Tasmania, Australia

I have a relative who lists Kingswood Hampshire as place of birth. Parents married in Romsey. Could someone please advise location. Thanks, Rose

----- Original Message ----- From: <Peelingd@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is Kingswood > Hello Rose, > My gggrandparents were at 4 Kingswood which is in Luggershall Hampshire , > Wendy > > I suspect that you mean Ludgershall, Wendy, which in fact is in Wiltshire. I lived most of my young life in Tidworth, some 2 miles away. However, the Hants(Hampshire)/Wilts boundary was a bit erratic in those parts and Tidworth was half in each county. Faberstown, on the eastern fringe of Ludgershall did just fall in Hampshire. Kingswood was presumably a row of houses, though I don't recall it. Cheers Paul

There are a lot of streets or new areas called name such as Kingswood. But the only parishes or villages of this name are the ones I sent in on an earlier email. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David DOWD" <david.dowd@tesco.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is Kingswood > Dear Rose, > 1) Kingswood, Marchwood, Hampshire, is now just a cul-de-sac off Autumn > Road but may have been Kings Wood before the developers got to it. > 2) Kingswood, south of Grayshott, Hampshire, is approached by Kingswood > Lane off the Portsmouth Road and has Kingswood Firs and Kingswood Chase as > the main building. > 3) Kingswood Rise, Four Marks, Hampshire, is off the Winchester Road > between Ropley Soke and Four Marks - but may be just a developer's whimsy. > Regards, David > 4) Kings Wood, either side of Row Down, Hampshire, is better known as > Kings Copse, but was promoted on the 1864 O.S. Map. > > Regards, David > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

I don't know of a Kingswood in Hampshire, but Multimap (www.multimap.co.uk<http://www.multimap.co.uk>) finds seven: 1 Kingswood,South Gloucestershire 2 Kingswood,Powys 3 Kingswood,Warwickshire 4 Kingswood,Buckinghamshire 5 Kingswood,Gloucestershire 6 Kingswood,Surrey 7 Kingswood,Kent Streetmap (www.streetmap.co.uk <http://www.streetmap.co.uk>) lists even more - although some are listed more than once, including one in Herefordshire: depending on where you found the mention of the place of birth could someone have mis-read Herefordshire when transcribing? What other information have you about this relative and their family that might pin down where they were born? Names, dates (even approximate ones), places etc? Karen On 07/09/05, Opiekan <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > > I have a relative who lists Kingswood Hampshire as place of birth. Parents > married in Romsey. Could someone please advise location. >

Dear Rose, 1) Kingswood, Marchwood, Hampshire, is now just a cul-de-sac off Autumn Road but may have been Kings Wood before the developers got to it. 2) Kingswood, south of Grayshott, Hampshire, is approached by Kingswood Lane off the Portsmouth Road and has Kingswood Firs and Kingswood Chase as the main building. 3) Kingswood Rise, Four Marks, Hampshire, is off the Winchester Road between Ropley Soke and Four Marks - but may be just a developer's whimsy. Regards, David 4) Kings Wood, either side of Row Down, Hampshire, is better known as Kings Copse, but was promoted on the 1864 O.S. Map. Regards, David

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1230 10 Pond Court, St Margaret Westminster, London Andrew RYDER, age 36, Bricklayer, born Southampton, Hants Louisa RYDER, wife, age 36, born Southampton, Hants Ellen RYDER, dau, age 13, scholar, born Southampton, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1179 and 1180 15 St Margarets Terrace, St Margaret Westminster, London Lizzy WILKINSON, widow, age 48, Laundress, born Andover, Hampshire Elizabeth WILKINSON, dau, age 15, born Pimlico, Middlesex Robert WILKINSON, son, age 12, Reading Boy to a Printer, born Pimlico, Middlesex William WILKINSON, son, age 8, scholar, born Pimlico, Middlesex 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1180 16 St Margarets Terrace, St Margaret Westminster, London James WOODFORD, widower, age 57, Carpenter and Joiner, born South Stoneham, Hampshire James WOODFORD, son, unmarried, age 25, Carpenter and Joiner, born St George Hannover Square, Middlesex Eliza WOODFORD, dau, unmarried, age 18, born St James Westminster Edward WOODFORD, son, age 14, Errand Boy at Milliners, born St James Westminster 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1191 1 Robertsons Cottages, St Margaret Westminster, London Thomas FACEY, age 28, Decorator of Houses, born Winchester, Hants Sarah FACEY, wife, age 30, Glover, born Westminster Charlotte FACEY, dau, age 5, born St Margaret Westminster William MARTIN, wife's son, age 12, scholar, born St Margaret Westminster Jane MARTIN, wife's dau, age 10, scholar, born St Margaret Westminster Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hello Just listing my interests: HOUGHTON 1433 - 1810 Swanwick Area TREBBECK plus numerous variants 1600 - 1800 Swanwick Area I would like to hear from others researching same families. Cheers Bruce Blanchard