Is there sks who has access to the 1871 census, who would be willing to have a look for the following. This is all the detail I have as it was indexed at Ancestry.com.uk George W Chammon- birth 1839-Dorset England civil- location Residence- 1871-city-Hampshire, England Regards Michelle Cook _________________________________________________________________ Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment

Alan, Had a look again at the image. Yes, it is certainly Hants. Could have been either Fareham or Farnham, but Hants for sure! Initially I copied the actual transcribed text - that will teach me... Jan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/94 - Release Date: 09/09/2005

Your man was a Private soldier unmarried in Anglesea Barracks Portsea. in the 1871 census ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Cook" <michellecook10@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 4:39 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census > Is there sks who has access to the 1871 census, who would be willing to > have a look for the following. > This is all the detail I have as it was indexed at Ancestry.com.uk > > George W Chammon- birth 1839-Dorset England > civil- location > Residence- 1871-city-Hampshire, England > > Regards > Michelle Cook > > _________________________________________________________________ > Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Jan, Many thanks. Can you see the actual image? As Farnham is in Surrey, I am wondering if Mary's birthplace is actually Fareham, Hampshire. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Morgan" <janmogs@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 Census Look-up Hi Alan, Think I've found them at Aldershot in 1871. John Hemmitt b.1835 Devonport, Devon, soldier, looks like Colo? Sergt. 2/17 Regt. Mary Hemmitt, b. 1841 Farnham, Hampshire, wife. RG10/818 Farnham, folio 25, page 4. Hope this helps, Jan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/94 - Release Date: 09/09/2005 ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

Hi Alan, Think I've found them at Aldershot in 1871. John Hemmitt b.1835 Devonport, Devon, soldier, looks like Colo? Sergt. 2/17 Regt. Mary Hemmitt, b. 1841 Farnham, Hampshire, wife. RG10/818 Farnham, folio 25, page 4. Hope this helps, Jan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/94 - Release Date: 09/09/2005

Can anyone help with an 1871 census look-up for John Hemmett and his wife Mary? John was a Colour Sergeant of the 2nd Battalion 17th Foot. Mary died at Aldershot Barracks in August 1871 aged 31. There is scope for surname variations, e.g. Hem(m)et(t), Em(m)et(t). Thanks, Alan McGowan

Hello Listers I have just located a distaff line in Fareham in Hampshire - surname LEE or LEIGH - in the 1600s. Could some tell me the dedication of the church and where I'd find a photo of it please? Is anyone else researching this name? Many thanks. Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Dear Michelle, I have access to ancestry, and this is how your George is actually indexed: George W Chamon abt 1839 Dorset, England Soldier Portsea Hampshire Name: George W Chammon Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Soldier Gender: Male Where born: Dorset, England Civil Parish or Township: Portsea Town: Portsea County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Source information: RG10/1133 Registration district: Portsea Island Sub-registration district: Portsea Town ED, institution, or vessel: Anglesea Barracks Folio: 80 Page: 16 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1 GSU Number: 827780 Kind regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/93 - Release Date: 9/8/05

St Peter & St Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "PMR" <cliveden@acenet.net.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:21 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Fareham Dedication Hello Listers I have just located a distaff line in Fareham in Hampshire - surname LEE or LEIGH - in the 1600s. Could some tell me the dedication of the church and where I'd find a photo of it please? Is anyone else researching this name? Many thanks. Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Stop looking everyone - I found it. It is RINGWOOD - obviously someone has transcribed it incorrectly. Same thing happened on another birth certificate purchased from GRO Instead of Southampton it read Northhampton Rose

It is also on the 1901 Census South Stoneham Civil Parish West End RG13/1065 Folio 86 pg 1 Alfred Baker Coombs b 1898 Father, Samuel in 1891 Census is single and living West End Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is Kingswood > Dear Rose > > I have followed the fruitless search for this place with interest, and am > sorry you appear to have given up. > > Maybe as someone says you will never know, but a few questions really > needed to be asked first, and possible other avenues explored. > > At 11:46 07/09/2005, you wrote: >>I have a relative who lists Kingswood Hampshire as place of birth. >>Parents married in Romsey. Could someone please advise location. >>Thanks, >>Rose >>============================== > > Under what circumstances, or in what source document, is this birthplace > noted?. > If in a census, where was the census taken when this birthplace was cited? > Are you reading the original document, or quoting from a transcription? > If the person was child, where were other children born? > What was the father's occupation, could his job have involved moving > around the county? > What year are we talking about? As someone has indicated, place names do > tend to change over the centuries. > > Someone else mentioned 'this address', but surely it is not an address, > but a birthplace. If cited in a census return, the precision of such place > names tends to vary with the distance from where the person happened to be > for the census. For instance, if the census was taken in the north of > England, or say London, the place name such as Romsey might be sufficient, > as the enumerator might never have heard of small places nearby. On the > other hand if the census was taken near the birthplace, a more detailed > place name is often given. This might be a parish, or a hamlet within a > parish, or even the name of a farm with a small cluster of cottages around > it. > What I have never seen is any attempt at stating a detailed address, ie > house name or number and street, so I would think such interpretations > would be wrong. > > Having said all that, I found this business address that sounds worth > pursuing: > > Millers Antiques Ltd. > > Kingswood > Hampshire BH24 1DR > ==================== > > This post code turns out to be in Christchurch Road, Ringwood ! > > On with the search - maybe! > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > ======================== > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

It is also listed on the 1901 Census - Civil Parish of West End 2 children born 1896 & 1898 Kingswood, 1 born 1891 West End Father born South Stoneham. Mother not listed with family. 1891 Census Father was in West End and not married Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lynn" <karenalynn@gmail.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Thanks Re: Kingswood > That was one of the reasons I was asking exactly what information Rose > had: > > - where does the relative list Kingswood, Hampshire as their place of > birth? If it's on a birth certificate then there must also be other > registration district etc information that would provide a clue. If it's > on > a census maybe that could be cross-checked with another census earlier > or > later. > - depending on when the relative was born, can the birth registration > be searched for and the certificate ordered to see what that says? > > There may be other clues about where the family was through the years that > might help tie down the whereabouts of this Kingswood. > > Karen > > On 08/09/05, Chris and Caroline <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >> >> It could be referring to the name of a house Rose, and not necessarily an >> area. >> Chris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> >> > Thanks to all re Kingswood. Guess I'll never know exactly what their >> > address Kingswood meant. >> > >> > Rose >> > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Dear Rose, it could still be both as there is a Kingswood in Ringwood (indeed they used to think that the king's wood [Regnum Wood] was mistranslated as Ringwood - not true as Ringwood actually means 'wood near the edge'). Regards, David

I had a similar problem on the birthplace for George Allbray in the 1851 census. It was indexed as Reagal, and appeared to be in Sussex. a friend with a lot of patience, a good eye and a magnifying glass was able to confirm from the actual image that the birthplace was in fact Rogate, but with a flourishing R at the outset and a hasty writing style, it turned the appearance of Rogate to something virtually non-recognisable. I can feel your relief and joy at solving the puzzle though! Crack the bottle of champagne! Kind regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/93 - Release Date: 9/8/05

You just beat me! The National Archives/Genes Reunited 1901 census index gives the place of birth as Kingwood (without the S) as the place of birthplace ... although the family are also indexed as Combs for added confusion! I can see how an R might end up mistranscribed as K if one's never heard of Ringwood. ... and for confirmation ... FreeBMD has an entry for September Qtr 1897, for Coombs, Alfred Baker, in Ringwood Vol 2b, page 674. So, as Dave says, with a little more information the mystery was cleared up quite quickly. On 09/09/05, Opiekan <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > > Stop looking everyone - I found it. > It is RINGWOOD - obviously someone has transcribed it incorrectly. > Same thing happened on another birth certificate purchased from GRO > Instead of Southampton it read Northhampton >

Well that it spooky my finger was just on the send button to tell you that it is Ringwood on the image. interesting to see how many people you got to help though, what a good list Eh!. I wonder if we are connected somewhere along the line. Bob Newell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Kingswood - Eureka I found it > Stop looking everyone - I found it. > It is RINGWOOD - obviously someone has transcribed it incorrectly. > Same thing happened on another birth certificate purchased from GRO > Instead of Southampton it read Northhampton > > Rose > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I have a Maria Coombes b in Portsea any relation bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is Kingswood > It is also on the 1901 Census South Stoneham Civil Parish West End > RG13/1065 Folio 86 pg 1 > > Alfred Baker Coombs b 1898 > > Father, Samuel in 1891 Census is single and living West End > > Rose > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 3:29 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is Kingswood > > >> Dear Rose >> >> I have followed the fruitless search for this place with interest, and am >> sorry you appear to have given up. >> >> Maybe as someone says you will never know, but a few questions really >> needed to be asked first, and possible other avenues explored. >> >> At 11:46 07/09/2005, you wrote: >>>I have a relative who lists Kingswood Hampshire as place of birth. >>>Parents married in Romsey. Could someone please advise location. >>>Thanks, >>>Rose >>>============================== >> >> Under what circumstances, or in what source document, is this birthplace >> noted?. >> If in a census, where was the census taken when this birthplace was >> cited? >> Are you reading the original document, or quoting from a transcription? >> If the person was child, where were other children born? >> What was the father's occupation, could his job have involved moving >> around the county? >> What year are we talking about? As someone has indicated, place names do >> tend to change over the centuries. >> >> Someone else mentioned 'this address', but surely it is not an address, >> but a birthplace. If cited in a census return, the precision of such >> place names tends to vary with the distance from where the person >> happened to be for the census. For instance, if the census was taken in >> the north of England, or say London, the place name such as Romsey might >> be sufficient, as the enumerator might never have heard of small places >> nearby. On the other hand if the census was taken near the birthplace, a >> more detailed place name is often given. This might be a parish, or a >> hamlet within a parish, or even the name of a farm with a small cluster >> of cottages around it. >> What I have never seen is any attempt at stating a detailed address, ie >> house name or number and street, so I would think such interpretations >> would be wrong. >> >> Having said all that, I found this business address that sounds worth >> pursuing: >> >> Millers Antiques Ltd. >> >> Kingswood >> Hampshire BH24 1DR >> ==================== >> >> This post code turns out to be in Christchurch Road, Ringwood ! >> >> On with the search - maybe! >> >> Cheers, Dave Jacobs >> ======================== >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

What are the names of the family involved, and what is the census reference: perhaps someone else will be able check the image and see whether they come up with the same interpretation ... or have you only seen a transcription of the details? Karen On 09/09/05, Opiekan <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > > It is also listed on the 1901 Census - Civil Parish of West End > 2 children born 1896 & 1898 Kingswood, 1 born 1891 West End > Father born South Stoneham. > Mother not listed with family. > > 1891 Census Father was in West End and not married > > Rose > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Lynn" <karenalynn@gmail.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:37 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Thanks Re: Kingswood > > > > That was one of the reasons I was asking exactly what information Rose > > had: > > > > - where does the relative list Kingswood, Hampshire as their place of > > birth? If it's on a birth certificate then there must also be other > > registration district etc information that would provide a clue. If it's > > on > > a census maybe that could be cross-checked with another census earlier > > or > > later. > > - depending on when the relative was born, can the birth registration > > be searched for and the certificate ordered to see what that says? > > > > There may be other clues about where the family was through the years > that > > might help tie down the whereabouts of this Kingswood. > > > > Karen > > > > On 08/09/05, Chris and Caroline <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > >> > >> It could be referring to the name of a house Rose, and not necessarily > an > >> area. > >> Chris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> > >> > Thanks to all re Kingswood. Guess I'll never know exactly what their > >> > address Kingswood meant. > >> > > >> > Rose > >> > > > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com <http://Ancestry.com>'s United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Rose I have checked the original image of the 1901 census and think it has been mis-transcribed. I would read place of birth as Ringwood, Hants. Eileen -----Original Message----- From: Opiekan [mailto:opiekan@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:32 AM To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is Kingswood It is also on the 1901 Census South Stoneham Civil Parish West End RG13/1065 Folio 86 pg 1 Alfred Baker Coombs b 1898 Father, Samuel in 1891 Census is single and living West End Rose

Hallo Bruce I know this is the wrong side of Southampton, but I have an ANNE TRIBBECK (born Eling ?) who married WILLIAM MINTRAM on 7 June 1792 in Eling , son of JOHN MINTRAM and ANN PEARCE, born 1769 Nursling. If you have any clues as to her parentage I'd be very grateful, as it could help with queries about this William Regards Wenda Mintrum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Blanchard" <bcb@onetel.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: New Subscriber esearching Houghton and Trebbeck > Hello > > Just listing my interests: > > HOUGHTON 1433 - 1810 Swanwick Area > > TREBBECK plus numerous variants 1600 - 1800 Swanwick Area > > I would like to hear from others researching same families. > > Cheers > > Bruce Blanchard > > > > ______________________________