Hi Christine Somewhere I have a family tree of the BRAMBLE family, as my mother was Mary Jane BRAMBLE and lived at Crqwley near Winchester and I am sure that Edward is mentioned on there along with his family. But have just moved a lot of stuff to decorate the computer room so will have a look for it. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Carnzu" <christine.carnzu@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Edward Bramble > Hi All > > I am new to this list and am trying to find parents of Edward Bramble born > around 1791 in Bentworth. He married a Rachael Holland in Medstead August > 1815 and died in the workhouse in East Meon 1859. Can anyone help please? > > Thanks > Christine > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Can someone who has access to the 1901 census try to fathom out the address for John Henry Newbold. it definitely starts with a K but what I think it is, is too rude to list. Bob

Hello all, I have recently found my great uncle, the proverbial black sheep, on the 1881 census. He is a convict in H M Convict Prison Portsmouth. His occupation is given as Commercial Clerk. His family 'persuaded' him to go to America two years later, where incidentally, he did very well for himself indeed, in Insurance and then Banking. That makes me wonder if his crime was something like fraud or swindling, or am I being too melodramatic. Can someone please tell me if it is possible to check the prison records to find out just what his crime and sentence were. Regards Jackie

The National Archives site at http://www.a2a.org.uk/ shows the Assizes Records and Calendars of Prisoners available in the archives. Put keywords such as <prisoners> and select an area of the country to search and the records will be listed. Kate Haushalter Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "LINDA MARTIN" <lmmartin@rogers.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Prison Records > Jackie: > > Not sure if this applies to all of the UK, but I have an ancestor in > prison in 1861 and was told there are no records available for the prison > until 1910! This was in County Durham - Northern England. > > It might be worth emailing the Hampshire Record office though, just in > case. > > Linda. > > JACQUELINE JORDAN <jackiejordan@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hello all, > I have recently found my great uncle, the proverbial black sheep, on the > 1881 census. > He is a convict in H M Convict Prison Portsmouth. His occupation is given > as Commercial Clerk. > > His family 'persuaded' him to go to America two years later, where > incidentally, he did very well for himself indeed, in Insurance and then > Banking. That makes me wonder if his crime was something like fraud or > swindling, or am I being too melodramatic. > Can someone please tell me if it is possible to check the prison records > to find out just what his crime and sentence were. > Regards > Jackie > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Hi All I am new to this list and am trying to find parents of Edward Bramble born around 1791 in Bentworth. He married a Rachael Holland in Medstead August 1815 and died in the workhouse in East Meon 1859. Can anyone help please? Thanks Christine

Jackie: Not sure if this applies to all of the UK, but I have an ancestor in prison in 1861 and was told there are no records available for the prison until 1910! This was in County Durham - Northern England. It might be worth emailing the Hampshire Record office though, just in case. Linda. JACQUELINE JORDAN <jackiejordan@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello all, I have recently found my great uncle, the proverbial black sheep, on the 1881 census. He is a convict in H M Convict Prison Portsmouth. His occupation is given as Commercial Clerk. His family 'persuaded' him to go to America two years later, where incidentally, he did very well for himself indeed, in Insurance and then Banking. That makes me wonder if his crime was something like fraud or swindling, or am I being too melodramatic. Can someone please tell me if it is possible to check the prison records to find out just what his crime and sentence were. Regards Jackie ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hello Listmembers This is my first posting to this List. I am trying to trace the family of William HANDS, born c1820, a convict to Van Diemen's Land in 1852. He was my husband's g.g.grandfather. On his convict record his native place is shown as Lymington. It also states that he had a brother, Henry. William HANDS married Rachel BARNS in 1840 at Lambeth and his father is shown as William HANDS, a farmer. After the death of Rachel, he married Julia HODGSON and a son, William, was born in 1847. When William was transported he left Julia and son William behind. The son, William, married in 1869 and it seems that he and his wife moved to Portsea, Portsmouth where several of their children were born. Maybe there were family ties there? Is there any way that I can find out more about William, his brother Henry and their father William, the farmer? Would there be searchable parish records for Lymington for that time? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Margery (NSW, Australia)

Hi everyone I am not including the entire article, but I thought that some of the names mentioned in it may be of interest to someone. Kind regards, Jon This report appeared in the Hampshire Telegraph, 10th September 1915, page 3. GOSPORT FATALITY. TRAM DRIVER EXONERATED. Car Life-guard Suggestions. "Mr. L. Warner, the Coroner for South Hants, held an inquiry at the Gosport Police-court, on Monday evening, into the circumstances attending the death of Hilda Russell, aged 3 years, who was killed on Sunday evening through being knocked down by a Tramcar in the High Street, Gosport. Mr. Ben Kent, solicitor, watched the case on behalf of: the Gosport and Fareham Tramway, and Mr. Faraday Glen, the Manager, was also present. The first witness called was Dr. C. Lamplough, practising at Gosport. He said he was called to see the child at 5.30 on Sunday evening. >>>snip>." "The father, William Charles Russell, a cook in the Royal Navy, who lives at 1, Haslar Row, said he was away from home all day on Sunday. He understood from his wife that she had left Hilda and her brother, aged five years, playing on the step in front of the house. She suddenly missed them, but thinking they had gone to their aunt's house, and had not gone far, she was not anxious. The children had never been allowed to go into the High Street, and witness's wife had no idea that they had gone there. Arthur Franklin, of 7 Wyche Lane, near Fareham (the driver of the tramcar), stated that he had been a driver for five or six months. At about 5.15 on Sunday afternoon he was driving a car from Gosport Hard to the Avenue. When passing Mr. George Blake's shop in High Street a little child ran off the pavement on the far side. >>>snip>." ">>>snip>." ">>>snip>. A boy named James Newbold, of 20, Chapel Street, Gosport, was in High Street at the time of the accident. He was on the pavement on the left side of the road, when he saw three little children run out of a shop doorway. >>>snip>." "In summing up, the Coroner said he felt sure the Jury would join with him in expressing sympathy with the parents in the sad loss of their little child. He thought the evidence was quite clear, that the driver did all he could. ">>>snip>." Mr. Ferraday Glen said the type of lifeguard provided for their tramcars was that adopted throughout the country, and approved by the Board of Trade. It had been found that to have side guards involved such complicated mechanism that they interfered with the working of the front guard. Mr. Glen associated himself with the Coroner's expression of sympathy with the parents, and Mr. B. Kent, on behalf of the Company did the same. The Coroner remarked that it is satisfactory to know that the point has been considered. The jury returned a verdict of ''Accidental death." They exonerated the driver from all blame, and expressed sympathy with the parents. The jury also complimented the boy Newbold on the manner in which he had given his evidence." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 9/10/05

Would greatly appreciate if SKS will kindly do a look-upfor me. Searching for information on JAMES WELLOCK and wife Bridget. Also, JAMES WELLOCK and wife Elizabeth, and any other WELLOCK family members listed on the 1851 Census of Old Basing. Thanking you in advance for any and all information. Regards, Jane in Cal.

No problem Ally I was looking something else up on the CD and did it out of curiosity as I was in The Polygon an hour or so before I got your email!! Saw the A.E. and thought it a coincidence so thought I would pass it on to you. Good luck with the research. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "ally kingman" <ally.kingman@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] A E GORDON 37 The Polygon - Directory look up > Hi Chris > > Many thanks for your reply (I never thought to check the directories for > earlier to see if it was still a guesthouse!) It's good to know that it > was a private house anyway. Strange the initials are also A E, it's one > mystery after another!! > > I do hope this won't be another one I can't solve. > > I am very grateful to you for checking this for me, thank you. > > Ally > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris and Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:52 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] A E GORDON 37 The Polygon - Directory look up > > >> In the 1915-14 Kellys Directory 37, The Polygon was the home of Ruinet >> Francis A.E. (Fernlea) I presume Fernlea was the name given to the house. >> Also not sure if the A.E. is initials or something else. But not a guest >> house in that time. >> Chris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ally kingman" <> >> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:02 PM >> Subject: [ENG-HANTS] A E GORDON 37 The Polygon - Directory look up >> >> >>> Hi everyone >>> >>> I have had a death certificate this morning for Mary DONOGHUE, and it >>> was registered by her son, A E GORDON of 37 The Polygon, Southampton. >>> >>> [A bit of a mystery as I wasn't aware that Mary had a son, and also the >>> fact that it's a puzzle as to why his surname is GORDON, Mary's maiden >>> name was LUDWIG, and she was a spinster at her marriage in 1897.] >>> >>> Does anyone have access to any directories after 1930 to see if A E >>> GORDON is still in Southampton. I am trying to find a clue when he died, >>> to try and find his birth. There are quite a few Albert Edward Gordon's >>> (Can't find any A E Ludwig's, as he could have been born before Mary's >>> marriage between 1880 and 1897, or after 1901 when she was a widow. I >>> would have thought more likely before her marriage as she was over 40 in >>> 1901 when her husband died. Still doesn't explain his surname unless he >>> was adopted??) >>> >>> A google search for 37 The Polygon brings up Abbey Lodge, a guesthouse >>> now at 37 The Polygon. Does anyone know if this has always been a >>> guesthouse or was it a private house in 1930. Historicaldirectories >>> online doesn't appear to have directories after the 1910's. >>> >>> I would be very grateful for any help or suggestions. >>> >>> Many thanks. >>> >>> Ally (Derby) >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Chris Many thanks for your reply (I never thought to check the directories for earlier to see if it was still a guesthouse!) It's good to know that it was a private house anyway. Strange the initials are also A E, it's one mystery after another!! I do hope this won't be another one I can't solve. I am very grateful to you for checking this for me, thank you. Ally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris and Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] A E GORDON 37 The Polygon - Directory look up > In the 1915-14 Kellys Directory 37, The Polygon was the home of Ruinet > Francis A.E. (Fernlea) I presume Fernlea was the name given to the house. > Also not sure if the A.E. is initials or something else. But not a guest > house in that time. > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ally kingman" <> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:02 PM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] A E GORDON 37 The Polygon - Directory look up > > >> Hi everyone >> >> I have had a death certificate this morning for Mary DONOGHUE, and it was >> registered by her son, A E GORDON of 37 The Polygon, Southampton. >> >> [A bit of a mystery as I wasn't aware that Mary had a son, and also the >> fact that it's a puzzle as to why his surname is GORDON, Mary's maiden >> name was LUDWIG, and she was a spinster at her marriage in 1897.] >> >> Does anyone have access to any directories after 1930 to see if A E >> GORDON is still in Southampton. I am trying to find a clue when he died, >> to try and find his birth. There are quite a few Albert Edward Gordon's >> (Can't find any A E Ludwig's, as he could have been born before Mary's >> marriage between 1880 and 1897, or after 1901 when she was a widow. I >> would have thought more likely before her marriage as she was over 40 in >> 1901 when her husband died. Still doesn't explain his surname unless he >> was adopted??) >> >> A google search for 37 The Polygon brings up Abbey Lodge, a guesthouse >> now at 37 The Polygon. Does anyone know if this has always been a >> guesthouse or was it a private house in 1930. Historicaldirectories >> online doesn't appear to have directories after the 1910's. >> >> I would be very grateful for any help or suggestions. >> >> Many thanks. >> >> Ally (Derby) >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Any Astridges on your tree? I have been studying them Astridge for many years and have lots of information that I'd like to share and an Astridge reunion in Overton, Hants in 2007 that I'd like to advertise. Ann Williams

I would like to extend my thanks to Jon & Bob for the information they sent Michelle Cook >From: "Michelle Cook" <michellecook10@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census >Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:39:22 +1200 > >Is there sks who has access to the 1871 census, who would be willing to >have a look for the following. >This is all the detail I have as it was indexed at Ancestry.com.uk > >George W Chammon- birth 1839-Dorset England >civil- location >Residence- 1871-city-Hampshire, England > >Regards >Michelle Cook > >_________________________________________________________________ >Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ Shop ‘til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/

In the 1915-14 Kellys Directory 37, The Polygon was the home of Ruinet Francis A.E. (Fernlea) I presume Fernlea was the name given to the house. Also not sure if the A.E. is initials or something else. But not a guest house in that time. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "ally kingman" <> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] A E GORDON 37 The Polygon - Directory look up > Hi everyone > > I have had a death certificate this morning for Mary DONOGHUE, and it was > registered by her son, A E GORDON of 37 The Polygon, Southampton. > > [A bit of a mystery as I wasn't aware that Mary had a son, and also the > fact that it's a puzzle as to why his surname is GORDON, Mary's maiden > name was LUDWIG, and she was a spinster at her marriage in 1897.] > > Does anyone have access to any directories after 1930 to see if A E GORDON > is still in Southampton. I am trying to find a clue when he died, to try > and find his birth. There are quite a few Albert Edward Gordon's (Can't > find any A E Ludwig's, as he could have been born before Mary's marriage > between 1880 and 1897, or after 1901 when she was a widow. I would have > thought more likely before her marriage as she was over 40 in 1901 when > her husband died. Still doesn't explain his surname unless he was > adopted??) > > A google search for 37 The Polygon brings up Abbey Lodge, a guesthouse now > at 37 The Polygon. Does anyone know if this has always been a guesthouse > or was it a private house in 1930. Historicaldirectories online doesn't > appear to have directories after the 1910's. > > I would be very grateful for any help or suggestions. > > Many thanks. > > Ally (Derby) > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi everyone I have had a death certificate this morning for Mary DONOGHUE, and it was registered by her son, A E GORDON of 37 The Polygon, Southampton. [A bit of a mystery as I wasn't aware that Mary had a son, and also the fact that it's a puzzle as to why his surname is GORDON, Mary's maiden name was LUDWIG, and she was a spinster at her marriage in 1897.] Does anyone have access to any directories after 1930 to see if A E GORDON is still in Southampton. I am trying to find a clue when he died, to try and find his birth. There are quite a few Albert Edward Gordon's (Can't find any A E Ludwig's, as he could have been born before Mary's marriage between 1880 and 1897, or after 1901 when she was a widow. I would have thought more likely before her marriage as she was over 40 in 1901 when her husband died. Still doesn't explain his surname unless he was adopted??) A google search for 37 The Polygon brings up Abbey Lodge, a guesthouse now at 37 The Polygon. Does anyone know if this has always been a guesthouse or was it a private house in 1930. Historicaldirectories online doesn't appear to have directories after the 1910's. I would be very grateful for any help or suggestions. Many thanks. Ally (Derby)

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1420 23 Princes Gate, St Margaret Westminster, London Jane HURST, Servant, unmarried, age 20, Kitchen Maid, born Fareham, Hants Esther PEASMAN, Servant, unmarried, age 28, Scullery Maid, born Emsworth, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1409 2 Rutland Gate, St Margaret Westminster, London Louise HICKMAN, Servant, unmarried, age 20, Nursemaid, born Andover, Hants 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1410 9 Princes Gate, St Margaret Westminster, London William H. BELLI, age 61, Retired East India Company Civil Service, born Southampton, Hants Sarah BELLI, wife, age 51, born Madras, East Indies, British Subject Augustus J.B. BELLI, son, unmarried, age 18, born Hoogley Bengal, British Subject Walter F. BELLI, son, age 17, born Hoogley Bengal, British Subject Sarah H. BELLI, dau, age 16, scholar, born Hoogley Bengal, British Subject Caroline H.P. BELLI, dau, age 12, scholar, born Hoogley Bengal, British Subject 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1415 14 Princes Gate, St Margaret Westminster, London Susan HYSLOP, married, age 38, Housekeeper, born Burghill, Herefordshire Jane E. HYSLOP, dau, age 8, scholar, born Marylebone, Middlesex Louisa HYSLOP, dau, age 3, scholar, born Marylebone, Middlesex Elizabeth HYSLOP, Mother-in-law, married, age 50, Coachmans wife, born Lymington, Isle of Wight John HYSLOP, Brother-in-law, unmarried, age 19, Linen Drapers Shopman, born Newport, Isle of Wight Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1396 Kent House, St Margaret Westminster, London Richard SHEPPARD, Servant, unmarried, age 19, born Boldre, Hampshire 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1397 Strathedon House, St Margaret Westminster, London Henry PERRY, Footman, unmarried, age 20, born looks like Winckton, Hampshire 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1407 10 Rutland Gate, St Margaret Westminster, London Ann BENNETT, Cook, unmarried, age 40, born Selborne, Hampshire Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hi Jon, Thank you. This is the record I am after. Thanks again Michelle Cook >From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> >Reply-To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-HANTS] re: George W Chammon 1871 census Date: Sat, 10 Sep >2005 07:31:43 +0100 > >Dear Michelle, > >I have access to ancestry, and this is how your George is actually indexed: > >George W Chamon abt 1839 Dorset, England Soldier Portsea Hampshire > >Name: George W Chammon >Age: 32 >Estimated birth year: abt 1839 >Relation: Soldier >Gender: Male >Where born: Dorset, England >Civil Parish or Township: Portsea >Town: Portsea >County/Island: Hampshire >Country: England > >Source information: RG10/1133 >Registration district: Portsea Island >Sub-registration district: Portsea Town >ED, institution, or vessel: Anglesea Barracks >Folio: 80 >Page: 16 (click to see others on page) >Household schedule number: 1 >GSU Number: 827780 > > >Kind regards, Jon > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/93 - Release Date: 9/8/05 > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids

Hi Pam A photo of St Peter & Paul (as well as the other church in Fareham, Holy Trinity) can be found at www.knightroots.co.uk Click on "Historic Hants" followed by "Fareham" and "Churches" Take care Linda & Tony