Hi Jon Have checked the image for you, Mary is living 117 King Street And Caroline is living 118 King street on her own So Yes she is head of house on her own Regards Shan Manager for Ancestry Aid www.ancestryaid.co.uk -------Original Message------- From: J P NIXEY Date: 09/13/05 08:21:48 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Help with an 1861 census check please? Hi everyone, I wonder if someone can help me with a census entry from 1861 at Gosport please? The details I have are: King Street, Alverstoke, Gosport. Mary A Goodfellow, Head, Married, b1829 (32) Fishbourne, Hants., Beerhouse Keeper; William Gates, Brother, Unmarried, b1839 (22) Fishbourne, Hants., Carpenter; Emma Gates, Niece, Unmarried, b1843 (18) Fishbourne, Hants., Servant; James Purkis, Lodger, Unmarried, b1825 (36) not known, Labourer; William Hayman, Lodger, Married, b1801 (60) Sussex, Plasterer; Caroline Alderey, Head, Unmarried, b1832 (29) Petersfield, Laundress. Should Caroline be in a household on her own, maybe next door, or is she correctly placed in the household of Mary, but as her own boss so to speak? Thanks in advance, kind regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 9/10/05 ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I have a family member who lost his life when HMS Vanguard exploded at Scapa Floe. He is recorded on the Chatham memorial. John Noakes

Does any kind soul have accesss to the 1851 census for Hartley Wintney and surrounding areas that could please do a lookup for me for Michael Baker born abt 1828 Hartley Wintney and Eliza Duffey born 1831 Woolwich. Brenda - Wangaratta Australia

There is a third memorial situated at Chatham for those who were associated with that area. John Noakes

Hi Judy, According to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site the memorial is situated on Southsea Common overlooking the promenade. The CWGC website has a search facility which you can check out at www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/ Cheers, Alan Siddorn ---------- From: "Judy Corday" <ajcorday@northrock.bm> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Pops Waltham Hi Alan Siddorn, I'm curious about this PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL.........Is it by chance in PORTSEA? If so, can you tell me if there are any WILSON's on this list? My ancestors were in that area at the Dockyards. A number of these families lost their men to BERMUDA to build our Dockyards. Or I should say the convicts came here and the soldiers came to watch over them. Hope to hear from you. Judy (aka Serendipity)

Hi Judy This is a large and imposing memorial on Southsea Common, which lists all the men from Royal Naval ships based at Portsmouth who were lost in the two World Wars. There is a similar one on Plymouth Hoe in Plymouth, relating to sailors from Devonport ships. You can find out if any Wilsons are on the memorial by using the Commonwealth War Graves Commission web site, but I suspect your interest is in events long before the twentieth century wars commemorated there. Cheers, Dave Jacobs At 21:29 12/09/2005, you wrote: >Hi Alan Siddorn, I'm curious about this PORTSMOUTH NAVAL >MEMORIAL.........Is it by chance in PORTSEA? >If so, can you tell me if there are any WILSON's on this list? >My ancestors were in that area at the Dockyards. A number of these >families lost their men to BERMUDA to build our Dockyards. >Or I should say the convicts came here and the soldiers came to watch over >them. >Hope to hear from you. >Judy (aka Serendipity) > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Siddorn" ><alan@siddorn.fsbusiness.co.uk> >To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:48 PM >Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Pops Waltham > > >>My great grandfather James Thomas GARDNER appears on the Portsmouth Naval >>Memorial with the following details on the CWGC site: >>In Memory of Able Seaman JAMES THOMAS GARDNER 123062, H.M.S. "Bulwark.", >>Royal Navy who died age 46 on 26 November 1914 Son of the late Thomas and >>May Gardner, of Soberton, Hants.; husband of Bertha Gardner, of 16, >>Albert Drive, Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim, late of Hill Pound, Swanmore, >>nr. Pops Waltham, Hants. Remembered with honour PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL >>My confusion arises from the address of Hill Pound, Swanmore, nr Pops >>Waltham, Hants. I know that Hill Pound, Swanmore is indeed the correct >>family address for his wife Bertha GARDNER (nee EARWAKER) but would Pops >>Waltham be an erroneous entry for Bishops Waltham or is Pops Waltham >>another location entirely? Perhaps some local variation that a >>northerner like myself would be unaware of. >>Alan Siddorn, >>Irby, Wirral. >> >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)

If the writing is lower case, it could be a misreading of Bps Waltham. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Siddorn" <alan@siddorn.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Pops Waltham My great grandfather James Thomas GARDNER appears on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial with the following details on the CWGC site: In Memory of Able Seaman JAMES THOMAS GARDNER 123062, H.M.S. "Bulwark.", Royal Navy who died age 46 on 26 November 1914 Son of the late Thomas and May Gardner, of Soberton, Hants.; husband of Bertha Gardner, of 16, Albert Drive, Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim, late of Hill Pound, Swanmore, nr. Pops Waltham, Hants. Remembered with honour PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL My confusion arises from the address of Hill Pound, Swanmore, nr Pops Waltham, Hants. I know that Hill Pound, Swanmore is indeed the correct family address for his wife Bertha GARDNER (nee EARWAKER) but would Pops Waltham be an erroneous entry for Bishops Waltham or is Pops Waltham another location entirely? Perhaps some local variation that a northerner like myself would be unaware of. Alan Siddorn, Irby, Wirral.

Margaret Green's "Hampshire Churches" adds that the tower dates from the 18th century. The church contains a 14th century oak screen, and a medieval woodcarving of St Christopher. Alan McGowan

My great grandfather James Thomas GARDNER appears on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial with the following details on the CWGC site: In Memory of Able Seaman JAMES THOMAS GARDNER 123062, H.M.S. "Bulwark.", Royal Navy who died age 46 on 26 November 1914 Son of the late Thomas and May Gardner, of Soberton, Hants.; husband of Bertha Gardner, of 16, Albert Drive, Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim, late of Hill Pound, Swanmore, nr. Pops Waltham, Hants. Remembered with honour PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL My confusion arises from the address of Hill Pound, Swanmore, nr Pops Waltham, Hants. I know that Hill Pound, Swanmore is indeed the correct family address for his wife Bertha GARDNER (nee EARWAKER) but would Pops Waltham be an erroneous entry for Bishops Waltham or is Pops Waltham another location entirely? Perhaps some local variation that a northerner like myself would be unaware of. Alan Siddorn, Irby, Wirral.

My WILSON family came from Gillingham and Chatham. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <aoxs01@dsl.pipex.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Portsmouth Naval Memorial > There is a third memorial situated at Chatham for those who were > associated with that area. > > John Noakes > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Kelly's Directory of Hampshire 1889 states: "The ancient parish church of St Peter was, in 1812, with the exception of the chancel and tower, pulled down and a plain brick building erected." ".... in 1888 the church was was partially restored, a new chancel built in the Early English style and the 13th century chancel restored as a side chapel, the old pews and side galleries removed and open seats substituted." "It is intended to rebuilt the nave entirely." The 1931 directory adds that the nave was restored in 1930. Alan McGowan Hampshire Family History Site http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory ----- Original Message ----- From: "PMR" <cliveden@acenet.net.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] Fareham Dedication Hello Linda and Tony, and Listers I found the photo - many thanks. The church seems to be of brick construction. Is it therefore of 'ancient' construction? Does anyone know please? Would it be the church of my LEE ancestors in the 1600s? Cheers. Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Thanks Dave for your reply. Cheers, Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 6:25 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Portsmouth Naval Memorial > Hi Judy > > This is a large and imposing memorial on Southsea Common, which lists all > the men from Royal Naval ships based at Portsmouth who were lost in the > two World Wars. > There is a similar one on Plymouth Hoe in Plymouth, relating to sailors > from Devonport ships. > You can find out if any Wilsons are on the memorial by using the > Commonwealth War Graves Commission web site, but I suspect your interest > is in events long before the twentieth century wars commemorated there. > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > > At 21:29 12/09/2005, you wrote: >>Hi Alan Siddorn, I'm curious about this PORTSMOUTH NAVAL >>MEMORIAL.........Is it by chance in PORTSEA? >>If so, can you tell me if there are any WILSON's on this list? >>My ancestors were in that area at the Dockyards. A number of these >>families lost their men to BERMUDA to build our Dockyards. >>Or I should say the convicts came here and the soldiers came to watch over >>them. >>Hope to hear from you. >>Judy (aka Serendipity) >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Siddorn" >><alan@siddorn.fsbusiness.co.uk> >>To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:48 PM >>Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Pops Waltham >> >> >>>My great grandfather James Thomas GARDNER appears on the Portsmouth Naval >>>Memorial with the following details on the CWGC site: >>>In Memory of Able Seaman JAMES THOMAS GARDNER 123062, H.M.S. "Bulwark.", >>>Royal Navy who died age 46 on 26 November 1914 Son of the late Thomas and >>>May Gardner, of Soberton, Hants.; husband of Bertha Gardner, of 16, >>>Albert Drive, Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim, late of Hill Pound, Swanmore, >>>nr. Pops Waltham, Hants. Remembered with honour PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL >>>My confusion arises from the address of Hill Pound, Swanmore, nr Pops >>>Waltham, Hants. I know that Hill Pound, Swanmore is indeed the correct >>>family address for his wife Bertha GARDNER (nee EARWAKER) but would Pops >>>Waltham be an erroneous entry for Bishops Waltham or is Pops Waltham >>>another location entirely? Perhaps some local variation that a >>>northerner like myself would be unaware of. >>>Alan Siddorn, >>>Irby, Wirral. >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > " > Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are > putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and > humorist (1835-1910) > > Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason > and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hello Linda and Tony, and Listers I found the photo - many thanks. The church seems to be of brick construction. Is it therefore of 'ancient' construction? Does anyone know please? Would it be the church of my LEE ancestors in the 1600s? Cheers. Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

OK thank you Chris will look forward to hearing from you soon. Many thanks, have been searching for a long time for info on Edward. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris and Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Edward Bramble > Hi Christine > Somewhere I have a family tree of the BRAMBLE family, as my mother was > Mary Jane BRAMBLE and lived at Crqwley near Winchester and I am sure that > Edward is mentioned on there along with his family. > But have just moved a lot of stuff to decorate the computer room so will > have a look for it. > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Carnzu" <christine.carnzu@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 6:00 PM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Edward Bramble > > >> Hi All >> >> I am new to this list and am trying to find parents of Edward Bramble >> born around 1791 in Bentworth. He married a Rachael Holland in Medstead >> August 1815 and died in the workhouse in East Meon 1859. Can anyone help >> please? >> >> Thanks >> Christine >> >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Alan Siddorn, I'm curious about this PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL.........Is it by chance in PORTSEA? If so, can you tell me if there are any WILSON's on this list? My ancestors were in that area at the Dockyards. A number of these families lost their men to BERMUDA to build our Dockyards. Or I should say the convicts came here and the soldiers came to watch over them. Hope to hear from you. Judy (aka Serendipity) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Siddorn" <alan@siddorn.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Pops Waltham > My great grandfather James Thomas GARDNER appears on the Portsmouth Naval > Memorial with the following details on the CWGC site: > In Memory of Able Seaman JAMES THOMAS GARDNER 123062, H.M.S. "Bulwark.", > Royal Navy who died age 46 on 26 November 1914 Son of the late Thomas and > May Gardner, of Soberton, Hants.; husband of Bertha Gardner, of 16, Albert > Drive, Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim, late of Hill Pound, Swanmore, nr. Pops > Waltham, Hants. Remembered with honour PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL > My confusion arises from the address of Hill Pound, Swanmore, nr Pops > Waltham, Hants. I know that Hill Pound, Swanmore is indeed the correct > family address for his wife Bertha GARDNER (nee EARWAKER) but would Pops > Waltham be an erroneous entry for Bishops Waltham or is Pops Waltham > another location entirely? Perhaps some local variation that a northerner > like myself would be unaware of. > Alan Siddorn, > Irby, Wirral. > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Am sending to the lists I am on, as this is great news for all. Do not know when it will happen, but future researchers will have easier searching. pic = = = = = = = = = = = = = Remember me in the family tree my name, my days, my strife; then I'll ride upon the wings of time and live an endless life - GOETSCH Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004: Renewed Feb 2005 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ----- Original Message ----- From: aunt rain To: ONTARIO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: LDS plans Following is a quote from another list This is good news for those of us who use the LDS records for family research. They are planning a massive undertaking to make all of their records available via internet ... free. It won't happen overnight, but it is exciting news. You can read about it at the following web address. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,605153189,00.html Lorraine in Michigan

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1425 3 Hyde Park Terrace, St Margaret Westminster, London William HARNESS, unmarried, age 61, M.A. in Holy Orders - ........ owner of All Saints Knightsbridge (very feint writing), born Wickham, Hants Mary HARNESS, Sister, unmarried, age 49, born Chelsea, Middlesex Jemima HARNESS, Cousin, unmarried, age 54, born Dronfield, Derbyshire 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1427 and 1428 4 Hyde Park Terrace Mews, St Margaret Westminster, London William WARNE, age 29, Coachman, born Ryde, Isle of Wight Ann WARNE, wife, age 28, born Exeter, Devon Mary A. WARNE, dau, age 3, born Kensington, Middlesex Jane WARNE, dau, age 1, born Kensington, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1480 page 1422 Eden Lodge, St Margaret Westminster, London Moses GANDY, Servant, married, age 42, Gardener, born Stratton Park, Hampshire Jane GANDY, Servant, married, age 44, Gardeners wife, born Little Berkhampstead, Hertfordshire 1851 Census H107 1480 page 1424 and 1425 Grove House, St Margaret Westminster, London James STENT, Servant, married, age 45, Gardener, born Crondall, Hants Harriett STENT, Servants wife, married, age 62, Gardeners wife, born Hurst, Sussex Henry JOHN, Servant, age 30, Policeman Minding Premises, born Hampshire Hannah JOHN, Servant, married, age 34, Policemans wife, born Hampshire Margaret JOHN, Servants dau, age 7, scholar, born Kensington, Middlesex Maria JOHN, Servants dau, age 4, scholar, born Kensington, Middlesex Francis JOHN, Servants son, age 2, born Kensington, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

Thank God for that :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Smith" <alison@oasts.screaming.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 10:37 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] decypher address > Had to have a look at this one :) > It's a bit clearer on the next page - Kents? > > Kathryn > > -----Original Message----- > From: bob.newell@ntlworld.com [mailto:bob.newell@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 11 September 2005 22:21 > To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] decypher address > > > Can someone who has access to the 1901 census try to fathom out the > address > for John Henry Newbold. it definitely starts with a K but what I think it > is, is too rude to list. > > Bob > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Had to have a look at this one :) It's a bit clearer on the next page - Kents? Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: bob.newell@ntlworld.com [mailto:bob.newell@ntlworld.com] Sent: 11 September 2005 22:21 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] decypher address Can someone who has access to the 1901 census try to fathom out the address for John Henry Newbold. it definitely starts with a K but what I think it is, is too rude to list. Bob ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx