John KITCHEN (b. ab. 1822, Eling, Hampshire) m. Jane BENDELL (christened as Jane BENDAL, on 2 May 1824, Eling, Hampshire, daughter of James BENDAL and **Hannah PAYNE?). John KITCHEN and Jane BENDELL were married in 1844, Southampton: Sarah Jane KITCHEN, chr. 20 December 1846, Eling, Hampshire, m. Abraham Thomas WATT, 12 November 1866, Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Martha Louisa KITCHEN, chr. 13 August 1848, Eling, Hampshire, m. John BARRETT, 5 Oct 1868, Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England Laura Ann KITCHEN, chr. 8 September 1850, Eling, Hampshire, m. Joseph John SHAW, 3 September 1871, Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire Anna Maria KITCHEN, chr. 26 March 1854, Eling, Hampshire, as far as I can ascertain, she remained unmarried. She could have had a daughter, *Jessie Elizabeth, b. ab. 1874, Portsmouth, Hampshire who appears in the 1881 Census with the family. Alfred George KITCHEN, b. 1865, Portsea, Hampshire Rose Elizabeth KITCHEN, b. 1865, Portsea, Hampshire; looks like she and her brother Alfred were twins Jessie KITCHEN, b. ab. 1868, Portsmouth, Hampshire *Jessie Elizabeth KITCHEN, b. 1874 above, m. George MARTIN (b. 1877, Fareham, Hampshire) during the December Qtr of 1894 in Portsea Island, Hampshire. These two I thought were my great grandparents, but alas, they were not. **Hannah Payne Bendal/Bendell - According to the 1881 Census, where she is listed as Ann Bendell, if this is the correct person, she was born about 1796 in Portsea. ~~~~~~~~ I post the above people to the list as they are not mine. HTH someone. I will be posting a few more soon. Regards, Eve USA

Hello Ann in Australia Thank you very much for your reply and your kind remarks about the beautiful Canadian province in which I have the good fortune to live. This is the time of year when our rivers turn red with salmon returning to spawn. It is poignant to see them battle their way back to the place of their birth and know that, in order to become fertile, their internal organs are breaking down as they swim towards their destiny - "they die so that they may live". Thank you also for adding my Robert Chandler to your Blacksmiths Index, which I have looked at and found interesting and informative. Best wishes Dick Chandler in Salmon Arm, British Columbia, Canada -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/107 - Release Date: 20/09/2005

1851 Census H107 1496 page 484 28 Milton Crescent, St Pancras, London John WILLSON, age 40, Coach Trimmer, born Fareham, Hampshire Mary WILLSON, wife, age 39, born Surrey Elizabeth WILLSON, dau, age 14, born St Pancras William WILLSON, son, age 11, born St Pancras John WILLSON, son, age 4, born St Pancras Also at the same address as the above: 28 Milton Crescent, but separate entry: George WILLSON, age 24, Stone Mason, born Cumberland Jane WILLSON, wife, age 30, born Staffordshire Mary WILLSON, dau, age 3 months, born St Pancras Betsey WILLSON, Visitor, age 20, born Fareham, Hampshire (marital status was not given) Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hello Dick Chandler I once visited Salmon Arm while on a 6 weeks coach tour to all the National parks (myself and 2 friends (all of us RN's). What a wonderful sight looking down the ravine and seeing those concrete pools built (I think) to help the salmon jump up the river??? That was 25 years ago. Anyway , on to talking about Blacksmiths in the family. I am going to add your Blacksmith Robert Chandler to my new Blacksmiths Index. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blacksmiths This merely an index of blacksmiths and where they were born and/or worked. I have included just one close family member for cross reference purposes, usually a wife but sometimes a parent or child. Not all the spelling mistakes are mine - many census entries are wrong but I don't like to change the original. Regards Ann in Australia explorer@smartchat.net.au

Thanks Dot appreciate your effort Terri -----Original Message----- From: gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk [mailto:gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk] Sent: 20 September 2005 17:41 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] WATKINS AND FORD SURNAME Hello Terri I tried the 1861 Census with no luck. Sorry, I don't have 41 or 51. Hopefully someone else will be able to help Good luck Dot Salisbury, Wilts > > I have subscribed to this list in an endeavour to help out a friend > who would like any information on the following ancestors > > Thomas Watkins married Ruth Ford 2 Aug 1828 in Warblington Hampshire > They had at least one son Charles Ford Watkins born 1 Dec 1829 > Alverstoke. He emigrated to New Zealand - date unknown and married in > NZ in 1864 to Sarah Savage so he may still have been in UK at the 1861 > census. If anyone has access to the 1841 or 1851 census and they > could look this family up would be excellent. > > Any suggestions where we might go for more information would be > greatly appreciated. > > many thanks > > > Terri and Bev > NZ > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Keep plugging! Nigel - Listmongrel > -----Original Message----- > From: PublicityHGS@aol.com [mailto:PublicityHGS@aol.com] > Sent: 20 September 2005 22:29 > To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] open day > > >>can someone remind me the date of the open day is it this Sunday > > > > As the listowner is a HGS member, hope he will not object to > another plug! > > > > > Hello all > > The Hampshire Genealogical Society annual open day will > take place > > this > year NEXT WEEKEND on Sunday 25 September 2005 at the usual > venue of Horndean Technology College,, Merchistoun Rd, Horndean. > Doors open at 10.00am and close at 4.00pm. The Society’s > AGM (members > only) ollows at 4.30pm > > As usual, admission is FREE and attractions include the HGS > > Bookstall and Research Room, Surname Interests, Computer > > Genealogical Advice, Stands > from Genealogical Suppliers,Other Family History > Societies, New & Second Hand Books. > > The highlights of the day include three free lectures > from genealogy > experts which are always very informative. This year, we > have been fortunate and can offer: > > Jeanne Bunting - 'Don't Delay; Write Today' > > John Hanson - 'A to Z of Occupations' > > Rod Neep - 'Meat on the Bones of Family History' > > Full details of the open day and of membership of the > Society can be > found at _www.hgs-online.org.uk > > > Take care > > Tony Knight > > HGS Publicity Officer > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your > family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added > in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release > Date: 19/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release Date: 19/09/2005

1851 Census H107 1496 page 441 and 442 22 Crescent Street, St Pancras, London Thomas HARRISON, age 43, Ivory and Wood Turner, born Winchester Maria HARRISON, wife, age 41, born Devon Julia HARRISON, dau, age 17, born St Pancras James HARRISON, son, age 15, born St Pancras William HARRISON, son, age 13, born St Pancras Thomas HARRISON, son, age 11, born St Pancras George HARRISON, son, age 9, born St Pancras Maria HARRISON, dau, age 4, born St Pancras Henry HARRISON, son, age 2, born St Pancras Amelia HARRISON, dau, age 11 months, born St Pancras Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1496 page 316 5 Isaacs Place, St Pancras, London George MATHEWS, unmarried, age 40, Shoemaker, born Portsmouth, Hants 1851 Census H107 1496 page 357 10 James Street, St Pancras, London James BUNDEY, age 35, Waiter, born Beaulieu, Hants Isabella BUNDEY, wife, age 36, Dressmaker, born Scotland George BUNDEY, son, age 14, born Westminster 1851 Census H107 1496 page 440 and 441 21 Crescent Street, St Pancras, London William ATTFIELD, age 39, Leather Seller, born Hampshire Martha ATTFIELD, wife, age 37, born Hampshire William ATTFIELD, son, age 14, Errand Boy, born Finsbury Henry ATTFIELD, son, age 12, born St Pancras George ATTFIELD, son, age 11, born St Pancras Charles ATTFIELD, son, age 8, born St Pancras Elizabeth ATTFIELD, dau, age 5, born St Pancras Thomas ATTFIELD, son, age 5, born St Pancras Harriett ATTFIELD, dau, age 2, born St Pancras Eliza ATTFIELD, dau, age 7 months, born St Pancras Linda Tasmania, Australia

Looking for a bit of help to find birth and parents of Ann HUIT b abt 1819 married Thomas HOLLIS 26 June 1842 Portsea. Died 4 May 1845 Portsea Bob Newell

Hi, Now he says he was born Portsmouth...check the Batch Nos. for Hambledon and see ... Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hodgson" <phodgson@direct.ca> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Query - WALLER Yes I did when I first got the 1881 census. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Query - WALLER > Did you check the '81 Census, there is a Thomas Waller b. Portsmouth > a Surgeon b. 1805. > > Cheers, > > EDna - Ottawa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Hodgson" <phodgson@direct.ca> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 4:57 PM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Query > > > > > > Hi List; > I may be mistaken but I have the impression the 1841 and 1851 census' are > on disc. Would anybody know if this is so. > I have a problem - I am looking for Thomas Waller MD. He was listed in > Pigots directory in 1830 under physicians at 18 High St. Portsmouth. I > haven't been able to determine who his wife is and none of his children > except Thomas (Jr) born in January, 1805, but there is no trace of Thomas > (Jr) until 1831 when he applied to the East India Company. On his > applic-ation he put that he was born in Hambledon but there is no trace of > him the IGI batches from there. > > I hope there is someone out there to help me. > > Pat > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

>>can someone remind me the date of the open day is it this Sunday As the listowner is a HGS member, hope he will not object to another plug! > Hello all > The Hampshire Genealogical Society annual open day will take place this year NEXT WEEKEND on Sunday 25 September 2005 at the usual venue of Horndean Technology College,, Merchistoun Rd, Horndean. Doors open at 10.00am and close at 4.00pm. The Society’s AGM (members only) ollows at 4.30pm > As usual, admission is FREE and attractions include the HGS Bookstall and > Research Room, Surname Interests, Computer Genealogical Advice, Stands from Genealogical Suppliers,Other Family History Societies, New & Second Hand Books. > The highlights of the day include three free lectures from genealogy experts which are always very informative. This year, we have been fortunate and can offer: > Jeanne Bunting - 'Don't Delay; Write Today' > John Hanson - 'A to Z of Occupations' > Rod Neep - 'Meat on the Bones of Family History' > Full details of the open day and of membership of the Society can be found at _www.hgs-online.org.uk > Take care > Tony Knight > HGS Publicity Officer >

Did you check the '81 Census, there is a Thomas Waller b. Portsmouth a Surgeon b. 1805. Cheers, EDna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hodgson" <phodgson@direct.ca> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 4:57 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Query Hi List; I may be mistaken but I have the impression the 1841 and 1851 census' are on disc. Would anybody know if this is so. I have a problem - I am looking for Thomas Waller MD. He was listed in Pigots directory in 1830 under physicians at 18 High St. Portsmouth. I haven't been able to determine who his wife is and none of his children except Thomas (Jr) born in January, 1805, but there is no trace of Thomas (Jr) until 1831 when he applied to the East India Company. On his applic-ation he put that he was born in Hambledon but there is no trace of him the IGI batches from there. I hope there is someone out there to help me. Pat ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Shan, Thankyou very much for your reply. That's one Henry Found and some more children for me. The Mother Caroline is Caroline Stoker so know he is mine. Grandma's Family. Have to solve he other Henry now to find his Brothers and Sisters one of whom may have named a child HENRY. Many Thanks, Sandra shan <shan12@btopenworld.com> wrote: Hi Sandra The following is the only one i can find on Ancestry at the moment Regards Shan Manager for Ancestry Aid www.ancestryaid.co.uk NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationshipCivil ParishCounty/IslandView ImageSave This Caroline Wedge abt 1822 London, England Wife Winchester St Maurice Hampshire Charles Wedge abt 1856 Winchester Son Winchester St Maurice Hampshire George Wedge abt 1855 Winchester Son Winchester St Maurice Hampshire Henry Wedge abt 1853 Winchester Son Winchester St Maurice Hampshire Jane Wedge abt 1861 Winchester Daughter Winchester St Maurice Hampshire John Wedge abt 1859 Winchester Son Winchester St Maurice Hampshire Sarah Wedge abt 1851 Winchester, Hampshire, England Daughter Winchester St Maurice Hampshire Walter Wedge abt 1858 Winchester Son Winchester St Maurice Hampshire William Wedge abt 1816 Winchester, Hampshire, England Head Winchester St Maurice Hampshire -------Original Message------- From: SANDRA CARTER Date: 09/20/05 15:58:00 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] New Subscriber - 1861 Census Lookup Please or other help. Hi Listers, I have just subscribed to this list as I have a problem which I cannot seem to solve. The WEDGE Family of Hampshire. There are Two HENRY WEDGE in FAMILY both married to a JANE. One JANE WATSON my Grandmothers Mother and the other JANE YOUNG. Both Henry's at some stage were in the ARMY. Also both HENRY's were born within 5 years of each other. 1853 and 1858. The HENRY b.c1858 (In Army) place unknown who married JANE YOUNG - His Father JAMES WEDGE who's Father JOHN WEDGE The HENRY b.c1853 in Winchester, Hampshire (In Army) who Married JANE WATSON His Father WILLIAM WEDGE who's Father JOHN WEDGE. Were the HENRY's Cousins? Not sure. But I cannot seem to link as do not know for sure if BOTH JOHN WEDGE are the same person. Does anyone have access to 1861 Census please to see if Both HENRY's show up on it. Many thanks for any help though. Best wishes, Sandra ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi Sandra The following is the only one i can find on Ancestry at the moment Regards Shan Manager for Ancestry Aid www.ancestryaid.co.uk NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationshipCivil ParishCounty/IslandView ImageSave This Caroline Wedge abt 1822 London, England Wife Winchester St Maurice Hampshire Charles Wedge abt 1856 Winchester Son Winchester St Maurice Hampshire George Wedge abt 1855 Winchester Son Winchester St Maurice Hampshire Henry Wedge abt 1853 Winchester Son Winchester St Maurice Hampshire Jane Wedge abt 1861 Winchester Daughter Winchester St Maurice Hampshire John Wedge abt 1859 Winchester Son Winchester St Maurice Hampshire Sarah Wedge abt 1851 Winchester, Hampshire, England Daughter Winchester St Maurice Hampshire Walter Wedge abt 1858 Winchester Son Winchester St Maurice Hampshire William Wedge abt 1816 Winchester, Hampshire, England Head Winchester St Maurice Hampshire -------Original Message------- From: SANDRA CARTER Date: 09/20/05 15:58:00 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] New Subscriber - 1861 Census Lookup Please or other help. Hi Listers, I have just subscribed to this list as I have a problem which I cannot seem to solve. The WEDGE Family of Hampshire. There are Two HENRY WEDGE in FAMILY both married to a JANE. One JANE WATSON my Grandmothers Mother and the other JANE YOUNG. Both Henry's at some stage were in the ARMY. Also both HENRY's were born within 5 years of each other. 1853 and 1858. The HENRY b.c1858 (In Army) place unknown who married JANE YOUNG - His Father JAMES WEDGE who's Father JOHN WEDGE The HENRY b.c1853 in Winchester, Hampshire (In Army) who Married JANE WATSON His Father WILLIAM WEDGE who's Father JOHN WEDGE. Were the HENRY's Cousins? Not sure. But I cannot seem to link as do not know for sure if BOTH JOHN WEDGE are the same person. Does anyone have access to 1861 Census please to see if Both HENRY's show up on it. Many thanks for any help though. Best wishes, Sandra ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi Edna in Ottawa; I've already checked the batches from Hambledon, T.W. isn't on them. He didn't produce christening records when he applied to HEIC. Actually there are two Thomas Wallers, both MD's father and son. I know quite a bit about TW the son as he was my Grandmothers grandfather and the Brits kept quite good records in India. His youngest son emigrated to Tasmania Australia and they kept good records there too. Thanks for your interest. You might like to know one result of my search is to find a cousin living in South Africa. He's the great great grandson of a brother of my great great grandfather.Together we have different things we have found out and when we put them together we have a more comprehensive picture. Pat

Hi Listers, I have just subscribed to this list as I have a problem which I cannot seem to solve. The WEDGE Family of Hampshire. There are Two HENRY WEDGE in FAMILY both married to a JANE. One JANE WATSON my Grandmothers Mother and the other JANE YOUNG. Both Henry's at some stage were in the ARMY. Also both HENRY's were born within 5 years of each other. 1853 and 1858. The HENRY b.c1858 (In Army) place unknown who married JANE YOUNG - His Father JAMES WEDGE who's Father JOHN WEDGE The HENRY b.c1853 in Winchester, Hampshire (In Army) who Married JANE WATSON. His Father WILLIAM WEDGE who's Father JOHN WEDGE. Were the HENRY's Cousins? Not sure. But I cannot seem to link as do not know for sure if BOTH JOHN WEDGE are the same person. Does anyone have access to 1861 Census please to see if Both HENRY's show up on it. Many thanks for any help though. Best wishes, Sandra

1851 Census H107 1496 page 287 and 288 47 Milsted Street, St Pancras, London William HALL, age 28, Shoe Maker, born St Pancras Harriett HALL, wife, age 28, born Cowes, Isle of Wight George HALL, son, age 5, born St Pancras Harriett HALL, dau, age 2, born St Pancras Sarah HALL, dau, age 6 months, born St Pancras 1851 Census H107 1496 page 300 65 Milsted Street, St Pancras, London Susan TIDDEMAN, widow, age 31, Ladies Boot Maker, born Gosport Richard TIDDEMAN, son, age 4, born St Pancras Frederick TIDDEMAN, son, age 2, born St Pancras 1851 Census H107 1496 page 314 1 Isaacs Place, St Pancras, London Charles PHILPOT, age 38, Marble Mason, born Bristol Jane PHILPOT, wife, age 35, born Gosport, Hants Charles PHILPOT, son, age 14, Marble Mason, born Bristol Jane PHILPOT, dau, age 12, Dressmaker, born London Middlesex Sarah PHILPOT, dau, age 10, scholar, born looks like Chitenham? Gloucestershire Emma PHILPOT, dau, age 8, scholar, born London Henry PHILPOT, son, age 3, scholar, born London George PHILPOT, son, age 8 months, born London Linda Tasmania, Australia

can someone remind me the date of the open day is it this Sunday

Yes I did when I first got the 1881 census. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Query - WALLER > Did you check the '81 Census, there is a Thomas Waller b. Portsmouth > a Surgeon b. 1805. > > Cheers, > > EDna - Ottawa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Hodgson" <phodgson@direct.ca> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 4:57 PM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Query > > > > > > Hi List; > I may be mistaken but I have the impression the 1841 and 1851 census' are > on disc. Would anybody know if this is so. > I have a problem - I am looking for Thomas Waller MD. He was listed in > Pigots directory in 1830 under physicians at 18 High St. Portsmouth. I > haven't been able to determine who his wife is and none of his children > except Thomas (Jr) born in January, 1805, but there is no trace of Thomas > (Jr) until 1831 when he applied to the East India Company. On his > applic-ation he put that he was born in Hambledon but there is no trace of > him the IGI batches from there. > > I hope there is someone out there to help me. > > Pat > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > >

Hi List; I may be mistaken but I have the impression the 1841 and 1851 census' are on disc. Would anybody know if this is so. I have a problem - I am looking for Thomas Waller MD. He was listed in Pigots directory in 1830 under physicians at 18 High St. Portsmouth. I haven't been able to determine who his wife is and none of his children except Thomas (Jr) born in January, 1805, but there is no trace of Thomas (Jr) until 1831 when he applied to the East India Company. On his applic-ation he put that he was born in Hambledon but there is no trace of him the IGI batches from there. I hope there is someone out there to help me. Pat