If I read it right, the 1850 death occurred in South Stoneham Registration District, not necessarily South Stoneham parish, itself several miles long. One should be careful using the parish locator, as it identifies the position of a parish not as the parish church, which would make sense, but to where the start of the name is printed on the Ordnance Survey map, which sometimes is not even within the actual parish!. But I agree, especially for a railwayman, that moving around was getting much easier in the mid 1800's Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 11:54 25/09/2005, you wrote: >Hello Dave > > > For some reason this family never seem to > > have registered their children's births. > > Have you checked the variant spellings - GARDNER, GARDENER etc? Also >sometimes the initial letter was hard to read and has been transcribed as >something else. This goes for the whole name sometimes. One of my DANIEL >rellies is transcribed in the 1881 Census as DRAINER! Same initial letter, >but she was most elusive. A kind lister found her in the end by using a >wildcard in her search. > > Re Fareham and South Stoneham, according to Parish Locator > (downloadable >free if you don't have it), the distance between the two is only 7.5 miles, >so moving from one to the other wouldn't have been at all difficult. > > Cheers. > > Pam > cliveden@acenet.net.au > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > > > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)

Angela MacLellan of WRY list found my Gr. Uncle Samuel Charles Corney on the 1891 Census as follows: Portsea Hampshire in the household of Arthur PIKE Head M 41 Stone Mason b Cirencester Alice PIKE wife M 36 b Isle of Wight Rookley(?) + children Samuel C CONNEY Lodger M 38 Carpenter and Joiner b Isle of Wight, Ventnor Note the spelling of last Name. In 1891, his wife was at either 14 or 19 Somers St. Portsmouth with daughters Edith and Ethel. Her sister, Elizabeth BEAL may be living with her and the girls and shown Elizabeth Corney, sister-in-law. Has to be Harriet's sister Elizabeth, as Henry William, Samuel Charles and Lawrence Joshua Corney did not have any sisters. In 1901, she and the girls are still at either 14 or 19 Somers Street Portsmouth. Harriet is still dressmaker, Edith is Milliner and none for Ethel or reversed on the girls. No sister-in-law shown. Being creative with CORNEY, could SKS check the 1901 UK Census for a Samuel C CORNEY, age 48, Carpenter and Joiner born Isle of Wight, Ventnor in or around Portsea in 1901? I keep getting timed out when the page opens, cannot even get to search page. Would appreciate greatly. = = = = = = = = = = = = Pat Corney, BHCD Quakertown, PA US BLUROC1@worldnet.att.net = = = = = = = = = = = = = Remember me in the family tree my name, my days, my strife; then I'll ride upon the wings of time and live an endless life - GOETSCH Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004: Renewed Feb 2005 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Hi Pat, I only have a copy of the 1851 Census for London, not Hampshire, but I'm just passing on any Hampshire born people to the Hampshire mailing list that I find on the London census, not sure what 14 Burledon is, I imagine and this is only a guess that Burledon could be the name of a street/road. cheers Linda > Hi Linda Hardy; > You seem to be very familiar with the Hampshire 1851 census. I wonder if you > could tell me what "14 Burledon" means. > > Pat

Good Day, My Great-great grandfather William HELLYER (b. 1829) was a good friend of the WESTs: ..1891 Rate Book showed that a Daniel West (owned or paid rates) No. 51 Clarence Parade. The Wests were good friends of the Hellyers. Alderman Daniel WEST was a member of Portsmouth Council and very much involved in the development of Southsea. He was not a particularly prominent member but was "one of the most genial". He died in 1897. Source History of Portsmouth by W GATES. This might be a connection... Edna - Ottawa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Andrews" <barryandrews@fsmail.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] George WEST of TADLEY Hi everyone, I am looking for George WEST from TADLEY. I have him in 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871 census records. It gets difficult to locate him any earlier at present. He was born about 1849 or 1850. From his first marriage to Mary Ann HERBERT in 1867 his father is David WEST he is given as of age! In his second marriage in 1877 to Emily SALMON his father is given as Daniel WEST. I cannot with any certainty locate him in the 1861 census in Tadley or elsewhere. All the later census records show him around the Lambeth, Norwood and Croydon areas. If someone could locate him in the 1851 census, hopfully still in the Tadley area aged about 1 or 2 with a father of Daniel or David, it could help clear up a problem with the 1861 census. Barry. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Re South Stoneham: This is first, a large ecclesiastical parish on the north and east borders of the town of Southampton. During the 19C it was broken up into a number of smaller parishes, some, but not all, of which were incorporated into the town of Southampton in the early 20C. The original parish church of South Stoneham still stands, St Mary's in the suburb of Swaythling. Secondly, it is the name of a Registration District, extending around the landward boundary of Southampton from northwest to southeast. It included not only the original parish if South Stoneham, but also parishes to the north and west, such as Chilworth, Shirley, and Millbrook. Southampton and South Stoneham registration districts were merged around 1920. It can be important to appreciate the significance between ecclesiastical place names (parish registers etc) and civil ones (BMD registration and censuses). Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================ At 22:35 24/09/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have a problem with this gr x2, grandfather. His last child was born in >Fareham in March, 1851. For some reason this family never seem to have >registered their children's births. I have not yet seen the 1851 census, >but from the Index data I have been supplied, he is not listed. I'm >waiting to see if his wife is listed as a widow. >The child had not eve been given a name at the time of the census it would >appear, and was under one month old. > >I know he was an agent for the South Western Railway, and several of his >children also worked for that company. If he fathered that last child, he >presumably was still around in 1850. The only death I can find so far is >for a Vitruvious John GARDINER, who's death was registered at Sth. >Stoneham 3rd qtr 1850. (Which I believe from something I read recently, >was the former name of Southampton.) >So....can one of you experts on the Hampshire area tell me if someone who >was seriously ill, would have possibly gone to a hospital in Sth >Stoneham/Southampton, and died there? That could explain a death away from >Fareham. Oh, it is also perhaps significant, that it appears that two of >his children were not with their mother at the time of the census. >(Different Folio number) > >My only visits to Hampshire have been when I was sent to Lee-on-Solent by >His Majesties Royal Navy. The first time supposedly to join a draft to >Malta, and the second time for my demob! Didn't get much time to look >around on either visit, although I was part of a Shore Patrol in "Pompie" >during the first visit! > >I'm looking forward to some answers from the locals. > >Thanks, Dave in Quebec. > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)

>> From: "Pat Hodgson" <phodgson@direct.ca> >> Hi Linda Hardy; >> You seem to be very familiar with the Hampshire 1851 census. I wonder if you could tell me what "14 Burledon" means. ****** Bursledon is a Hampshire parish. Can you quote the whole entry? Depending on the context, 14 could be an age or a house number. Bursledon could be the place of residence, the place of birth, or part of a street name. Alan McGowan

1851 Census H107 1496 page 681 17 Southampton Street, St Pancras, London James GAUNTLETT, age 53, Carpenter, born Portsmouth Maria GAUNTLETT, wife, age 53, Tailoress, born Marylebone, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hi, I have a problem with this gr x2, grandfather. His last child was born in Fareham in March, 1851. For some reason this family never seem to have registered their children's births. I have not yet seen the 1851 census, but from the Index data I have been supplied, he is not listed. I'm waiting to see if his wife is listed as a widow. The child had not eve been given a name at the time of the census it would appear, and was under one month old. I know he was an agent for the South Western Railway, and several of his children also worked for that company. If he fathered that last child, he presumably was still around in 1850. The only death I can find so far is for a Vitruvious John GARDINER, who's death was registered at Sth. Stoneham 3rd qtr 1850. (Which I believe from something I read recently, was the former name of Southampton.) So....can one of you experts on the Hampshire area tell me if someone who was seriously ill, would have possibly gone to a hospital in Sth Stoneham/Southampton, and died there? That could explain a death away from Fareham. Oh, it is also perhaps significant, that it appears that two of his children were not with their mother at the time of the census. (Different Folio number) My only visits to Hampshire have been when I was sent to Lee-on-Solent by His Majesties Royal Navy. The first time supposedly to join a draft to Malta, and the second time for my demob! Didn't get much time to look around on either visit, although I was part of a Shore Patrol in "Pompie" during the first visit! I'm looking forward to some answers from the locals. Thanks, Dave in Quebec.

Hi Linda Hardy; You seem to be very familiar with the Hampshire 1851 census. I wonder if you could tell me what "14 Burledon" means. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hardy" <LindaAnnHardy@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] GAUNTLETT stray 1851 Census > 1851 Census H107 1496 page 681 > 17 Southampton Street, St Pancras, London > James GAUNTLETT, age 53, Carpenter, born Portsmouth > Maria GAUNTLETT, wife, age 53, Tailoress, born Marylebone, Middlesex > > > Linda > Tasmania, Australia > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hi Diz Happy to add your Smiths to my website. Thankyou for taking such an interest in it. have a beaut weekend. Regards Ann in Perth, Western Australia explorer@smartchat.net.au Mad, mad person - just starting the Blacksmiths Index: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blacksmiths ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diz Swift" <dizswift@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] Blacksmiths Index - MITCHENER > Hi Ann, > I have a number of blacksmiths in my grandmother's family - > MITCHENER > > The names are followed by the censuses where I have been able to > find the men named: > > Wherwell, Hampshire > James MITCHENER - (blacksmith) 1841, 1851 > William MITCHENER (son of James) - 1841 (farrier), 1851 (vet. surgeon) - > died 1851 > George MITCHENER (son of James) - (blacksmith) 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871 > Jacob MITCHENER (son of James) - (blacksmith) 1861 (Abbots Ann), 1871, > 1881 > > Alfred MITCHENER (son of George) - 1881 > > > Smiles, > Diz > > >> Blacksmiths Index. >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blacksmiths >> >> This merely an index of blacksmiths and where they were born >> and/or worked. I have included just one close family member >> for cross reference purposes, usually a wife but sometimes a >> parent or child. Not all the spelling mistakes are mine - >> many census entries are wrong but I don't like to change the original. >> >> Regards >> >> Ann in Australia >> explorer@smartchat.net.au > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Would SKS who has access to the 1831 or 1841 census of Basing, kindly do a lookup for me. I am seeking information on JAMES WELLOCK and familly members. I do not know his age, but on 27 May, 1826, he married Elizabeth Harfield. Any information you may provide will be greatly appreciated, and I thank you in advance. Regards, Jane in Cal..

Dear List, The Sexton's Register for Fordingbridge records that there were quite a few stones for the Austin family in Fordingbridge churchyard at some point from the mid-eighteenth century. Does anyone know if the MIs for Fordingbridge have been trabscribed? If so, does anyone have access to them to see whether these headstones survive? James Phillips-Evans

I have found a new part of the family. Lillian Gladys GATTRELL born about 1900 who married William Charles Henry WHALL 25 July 1925 Alverstoke. Any Gattrells out there. Bob Newell

Hi Ann, I have a number of blacksmiths in my grandmother's family - MITCHENER The names are followed by the censuses where I have been able to find the men named: Wherwell, Hampshire James MITCHENER - (blacksmith) 1841, 1851 William MITCHENER (son of James) - 1841 (farrier), 1851 (vet. surgeon) - died 1851 George MITCHENER (son of James) - (blacksmith) 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871 Jacob MITCHENER (son of James) - (blacksmith) 1861 (Abbots Ann), 1871, 1881 Alfred MITCHENER (son of George) - 1881 Smiles, Diz > Blacksmiths Index. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blacksmiths > > This merely an index of blacksmiths and where they were born > and/or worked. I have included just one close family member > for cross reference purposes, usually a wife but sometimes a > parent or child. Not all the spelling mistakes are mine - > many census entries are wrong but I don't like to change the original. > > Regards > > Ann in Australia > explorer@smartchat.net.au

Don' t thank me Eve Jo (Delhack@) from Hedge End just up the road from the cemetery and myself sent me that so thought it would be useful to others. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <Eve5J@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:01 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Re: Eastleigh Cemetery Database > Chris - > > Thank you so much for posting this. My great grandparents and I'm sure > many > other relations are listed here. They moved from Fareham to Eastleigh > when > they were older. What a godsend you and the Council are! The UK is so > great > for genealogy, isn't it? Not like the USA. > > Thanks again! > Eve > USA > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Yes folks the Eastleigh Cemetery now has a database on line where you can search for a relative!! Why not lobby your own councils to follow in its footsteps, would save a lot of hard work!! http://www.eastleigh.gov.uk/ebc-1373 This search facility is provided to allow families to search for relatives buried in one of the four Council run cemeteries. (Please note, for confidentiality reasons, search results within the last 12 months will not be displayed. If you wish to obtain this information, please refer to the websites contactspage) NOTE: For the English Village list this is Eastleigh in Hampshire Chris

1851 Census H107 1496 page 626 85 Upper Seymour Street, St Pancras, London Joseph JOYCE, age 52, Cordwainer, born Warwick Elizabeth JOYCE, wife, age 54, born Bolden, Hampshire Linda Tasmania, Australia

Chris - Thank you so much for posting this. My great grandparents and I'm sure many other relations are listed here. They moved from Fareham to Eastleigh when they were older. What a godsend you and the Council are! The UK is so great for genealogy, isn't it? Not like the USA. Thanks again! Eve USA

Hi Ann Are you interested in anyone who was a blacksmith? At least two of my ancestors were blacksmiths in Hampshire but before the censuses though> Will send details if you are interested regards Jan Dabson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann & Terry Spiro" <explorer@smartchat.net.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:27 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Blacksmiths Index > Hello Dick Chandler > > I once visited Salmon Arm while on a 6 weeks coach tour to all the > National parks (myself and 2 friends (all of us RN's). > What a wonderful sight looking down the ravine and seeing those concrete > pools built (I think) to help the salmon jump up the river??? That was 25 > years ago. > > Anyway , on to talking about Blacksmiths in the family. I am going to add > your Blacksmith Robert Chandler to my new Blacksmiths Index. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blacksmiths > > This merely an index of blacksmiths and where they were born and/or > worked. I have included just one close family member for cross reference > purposes, usually a wife but sometimes a parent or child. > Not all the spelling mistakes are mine - many census entries are wrong but > I don't like to change the original. > > Regards > > Ann in Australia > explorer@smartchat.net.au > > > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

Hello List: I numbered the offspring in my last post which may not have been picked up by all email programs, so I will number by hand this round. ~~~~~ Charles MARTIN m. Elizabeth RAMPTON (b. about 1790, Whitchurch, Hants.) on 8 October 1814 in Fareham, Hampshire: 1. Charles MARTIN, chr. 7 May 1815, Fareham, Hampshire 2. George MARTIN, chr. 16 February 1817, Fareham 3. Elizabeth MARTIN, chr. 9 July 1820, Fareham 4. Margaret/Mary? MARTIN, b. about 1827 5. Thomas MARTIN, chr. 8 May 1831, Fareham Thomas MARTIN (5) m. Emma Powell (daughter of John Powell and Elizabeth, chr. 10 January 1836, Wymering, Hampshire) during the qtr. ending September 1874 in Fareham, Hampshire: 1. Annie Martin, b. ab. 1876 2. George Martin, b. 1877, Fareham It's embarassing that I thought these folks were mine even though I've grown quite fond of them all. This is due to taking what one is given by family members and blindly running with it without rechecking, and forgetting that one crucial name was marked with a question mark! That's what I get for not going over my sources from time to time. Like I said too, I know better, but all's well that ends well, and I have the correct family now. Hope this helps someone, Eve