Hello pat I received 3 remails from you...on two of them you had Thomas born 1814, in the 3rd email you had born 1816. I'll assume 1814 is correct and have his wife as harriet Weston. Cheers Ann *************************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <PatriciaJill1946@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:43 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Re: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-D Digest V05 #136 > MY BLACKSMITH > MY G/ Grandad > > Thomas CHELL born 1816 Osmaston Derby. > On the 1841/51/61/71/81 Census as a BLACKSMITH at Clifton and Ashbourne > DERBYSHIRE > Died age 65 Sept 1882. At Ashbourne Derbyshire. > >>From Pat Poyser.... > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Dave, Don't worry, we all have those suspicions in our families... Edna - over 'ere in sunny Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Cooper" <deltabravo@videotron.ca> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] West Street, Fareham. Hi, Many thanks to Pan, Dave and Alan, for their suggestions re the death of my John GARDINER. I've just received a copy of the 1851 census of Fareham, and his wife is shown as a widow, so obviously he died prior to 30th March that year. However, the census lists a unnamed child age 'less than one month' and John's widow's relationship to it as 'grandson'. In later census that child, one Charles F. GARDINER, is listed as her son. But...there were two other daughters, who at the time of the 1851 census, who were over 20 years of age and unmarried. Now I'm getting suspicious! But that it not the reason for this message. The other families are listed as living on West Street, but the GARDINERs are listed as living at 'Blachbrook Railway Station''. I know the father was described in one document as a 'Railway Agent', and the 19 year old son in the census is listed as a 'Clerk to Railway Compy'. My questions are: 1. Was the London & South Western Railway Station on West Street? 2. Is there an 1850 Directory of Fareham available, and is it likely to list the Station Master? I believe John GARDINER may well have had that job before he died. The other families listed on the two pages I have are: Joseph SCOTT, 64, b Basingstoke, and dau Margaret, 35 b Fareham. John BRICK, 41, b Henley-on-Thames, wife Esther, 38, b Fareham, & dau Louisa 4, b Fareham Mary FREEMANTLE, 50 b Southampton. George LANE, 36, b Chichester Elizabeth CHILD 24, b Titchfield John STUBINGTON 45, b Soberton, Hants. wife Harriett 42, b Fareham, son John 12, b Fareham, son George H. 3, b Fareham, son Walter C. 6 mo. b Fareham Margaret FISHER 78, b Norfolk, Mary LAMPORT 34, b Bishops Waltham Margaret BISHOP 40, b Dillon, Suffolk, and dau Margaret 3, b Bath Mary Jane FULFORD 58, b Bishops Waltham, & granddau. Mary Ann 3, b Fareham Edwin HOLLIS 24, b Richmond, Surrey James de la SALLE 63, b Gt. Yarmouth, wife Elizabeth 64, b Alverstoke Mary PENTON 34, b Burseldon, son Aldwick 9, b Burseldon, dau Mary 7, b Burseldon Hope these help someone. Regards, Dave, from Quebec. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi, Many thanks to Pan, Dave and Alan, for their suggestions re the death of my John GARDINER. I've just received a copy of the 1851 census of Fareham, and his wife is shown as a widow, so obviously he died prior to 30th March that year. However, the census lists a unnamed child age 'less than one month' and John's widow's relationship to it as 'grandson'. In later census that child, one Charles F. GARDINER, is listed as her son. But...there were two other daughters, who at the time of the 1851 census, who were over 20 years of age and unmarried. Now I'm getting suspicious! But that it not the reason for this message. The other families are listed as living on West Street, but the GARDINERs are listed as living at 'Blachbrook Railway Station''. I know the father was described in one document as a 'Railway Agent', and the 19 year old son in the census is listed as a 'Clerk to Railway Compy'. My questions are: 1. Was the London & South Western Railway Station on West Street? 2. Is there an 1850 Directory of Fareham available, and is it likely to list the Station Master? I believe John GARDINER may well have had that job before he died. The other families listed on the two pages I have are: Joseph SCOTT, 64, b Basingstoke, and dau Margaret, 35 b Fareham. John BRICK, 41, b Henley-on-Thames, wife Esther, 38, b Fareham, & dau Louisa 4, b Fareham Mary FREEMANTLE, 50 b Southampton. George LANE, 36, b Chichester Elizabeth CHILD 24, b Titchfield John STUBINGTON 45, b Soberton, Hants. wife Harriett 42, b Fareham, son John 12, b Fareham, son George H. 3, b Fareham, son Walter C. 6 mo. b Fareham Margaret FISHER 78, b Norfolk, Mary LAMPORT 34, b Bishops Waltham Margaret BISHOP 40, b Dillon, Suffolk, and dau Margaret 3, b Bath Mary Jane FULFORD 58, b Bishops Waltham, & granddau. Mary Ann 3, b Fareham Edwin HOLLIS 24, b Richmond, Surrey James de la SALLE 63, b Gt. Yarmouth, wife Elizabeth 64, b Alverstoke Mary PENTON 34, b Burseldon, son Aldwick 9, b Burseldon, dau Mary 7, b Burseldon Hope these help someone. Regards, Dave, from Quebec.

I have an 1871 entry for a man on the crew of the "Duke of Wellington" and a note on the front page of the crew list says "Duke of Wellington, including her Tenders, the Victory, Black Eagle, Firequeen, and Sprightly". Dorothy Morrissey Whakatane, NZ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

In a message dated 27/09/2005 21:56:01 GMT Standard Time, BLUROC1@worldnet.att.net writes: Thanks for taking the time. When I can afford, I will have to order the Samuel Corney d. Sep 1899 Tadcaster and hope something on it will indicate where he came from. In 1891 he was out of the RE and just a Carpenter and Joiner. So maybe he went to Tadcaster for a job? The Corney men born IOW did not live long lives. Father died 60, H W abt 62-65, Samuel C 48 and the long lived one Lawrence Joshua at 67. Many thanks for your help. Pat C = = = = = = = = = = = = = Remember me in the family tree my name, my days, my strife; then I'll ride upon the wings of time and live an endless life - GOETSCH Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004: Renewed Feb 2005 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia O'Shea To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1901 UK Census Hi Pat - used every trick I can think of but he doesn't come up. I notice from earlier censuses that he was a Carpenter Sapper with the Royal Engineers so maybe he was away on service? Boer War? Sorry not to help more with this. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > Angela MacLellan of WRY list found my Gr. Uncle Samuel Charles Corney on > the 1891 Census as follows: > > Portsea Hampshire > in the household of > > Arthur PIKE Head M 41 Stone Mason b Cirencester > Alice PIKE wife M 36 b Isle of Wight Rookley(?) > + children > Samuel C CONNEY Lodger M 38 Carpenter and Joiner b Isle of Wight, Ventnor > > Note the spelling of last Name. > > In 1891, his wife was at either 14 or 19 Somers St. Portsmouth with > daughters Edith and Ethel. > Her sister, Elizabeth BEAL may be living with her and the girls and shown > Elizabeth Corney, sister-in-law. > Has to be Harriet's sister Elizabeth, as Henry William, Samuel Charles and > Lawrence Joshua Corney did not have any sisters. > > In 1901, she and the girls are still at either 14 or 19 Somers Street > Portsmouth. Harriet is still dressmaker, Edith is Milliner and none for > Ethel or reversed on the girls. No sister-in-law shown. > > Being creative with CORNEY, could SKS check the 1901 UK Census for a > Samuel C CORNEY, age 48, Carpenter and Joiner born Isle of Wight, Ventnor > in or around Portsea in 1901? > > I keep getting timed out when the page opens, cannot even get to search > page. > > Would appreciate greatly. > > = = = = = = = = = = = = > Pat Corney, BHCD > Quakertown, PA US > BLUROC1@worldnet.att.net > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > ______________________________ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Although this won't help Pat this time, to be strictly correct, death certificates after 1953 DO include date and place of birth (looking at a 1983 one now) Take care Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: Dave Jacobs [mailto:dave@jacobs.net] Sent: 27 September 2005 23:16 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Re: Samuel CORNEY At 22:00 27/09/2005, you wrote: >Eunice > >Thank you so much for taking time to check. > >Will have to find a way to purchase the certif and hope it shows place of >birth to confirm. == An English Death Certificate does not have this information, so the 7 pounds it will cost may not give you very good value for your money. Cheers, Dave Jacobs ===================== >Thanks to all who were so kind as to look up 1901 and the freeBMD for >me. Really appreciate it. > >Pat C >= = = = = = = = = = = = = >Remember me in the family tree my name, my days, my strife; >then I'll ride upon the wings of time and live an endless life - GOETSCH > >Incoming/outgoing mail >scanned by Norton 2004: Renewed Feb 2005 >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eunice Goude > To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:53 AM > Subject: Samuel CORNEY > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Deaths Sep 1899 > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Corney Samuel 46 Tadcaster 9c 628 > > > Hi Pat > > Could this be why he is not on the 1901 census as he had passed away. The > age would be right at being 46 in 1899. > So hope this helps. > Regards > Eunice - Australia > > ______________________________ > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi All Jsut to let you know my website on Aldershot at www.bygonealdershot.org has been updated. Also the forum is now live at http://www.bygonealdershot.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl if you're looking for families from the town or have memories of it etc. Cheers Phil Dawkins www.bygonealdershot.org

At 22:00 27/09/2005, you wrote: >Eunice > >Thank you so much for taking time to check. > >Will have to find a way to purchase the certif and hope it shows place of >birth to confirm. == An English Death Certificate does not have this information, so the 7 pounds it will cost may not give you very good value for your money. Cheers, Dave Jacobs ===================== >Thanks to all who were so kind as to look up 1901 and the freeBMD for >me. Really appreciate it. > >Pat C >= = = = = = = = = = = = = >Remember me in the family tree my name, my days, my strife; >then I'll ride upon the wings of time and live an endless life - GOETSCH > >Incoming/outgoing mail >scanned by Norton 2004: Renewed Feb 2005 >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eunice Goude > To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:53 AM > Subject: Samuel CORNEY > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Deaths Sep 1899 > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Corney Samuel 46 Tadcaster 9c 628 > > > Hi Pat > > Could this be why he is not on the 1901 census as he had passed away. The > age would be right at being 46 in 1899. > So hope this helps. > Regards > Eunice - Australia > > ______________________________ > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)

Hi Pat - used every trick I can think of but he doesn't come up. I notice from earlier censuses that he was a Carpenter Sapper with the Royal Engineers so maybe he was away on service? Boer War? Sorry not to help more with this. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > Angela MacLellan of WRY list found my Gr. Uncle Samuel Charles Corney on > the 1891 Census as follows: > > Portsea Hampshire > in the household of > > Arthur PIKE Head M 41 Stone Mason b Cirencester > Alice PIKE wife M 36 b Isle of Wight Rookley(?) > + children > Samuel C CONNEY Lodger M 38 Carpenter and Joiner b Isle of Wight, Ventnor > > Note the spelling of last Name. > > In 1891, his wife was at either 14 or 19 Somers St. Portsmouth with > daughters Edith and Ethel. > Her sister, Elizabeth BEAL may be living with her and the girls and shown > Elizabeth Corney, sister-in-law. > Has to be Harriet's sister Elizabeth, as Henry William, Samuel Charles and > Lawrence Joshua Corney did not have any sisters. > > In 1901, she and the girls are still at either 14 or 19 Somers Street > Portsmouth. Harriet is still dressmaker, Edith is Milliner and none for > Ethel or reversed on the girls. No sister-in-law shown. > > Being creative with CORNEY, could SKS check the 1901 UK Census for a > Samuel C CORNEY, age 48, Carpenter and Joiner born Isle of Wight, Ventnor > in or around Portsea in 1901? > > I keep getting timed out when the page opens, cannot even get to search > page. > > Would appreciate greatly. > > = = = = = = = = = = = = > Pat Corney, BHCD > Quakertown, PA US > BLUROC1@worldnet.att.net > = = = = = = = = = = = = = >

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Sep 1899 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corney Samuel 46 Tadcaster 9c 628 Hi Pat Could this be why he is not on the 1901 census as he had passed away. The age would be right at being 46 in 1899. So hope this helps. Regards Eunice - Australia

1851 Census H107 1496 page 852 17 Little Drummond Street, St Pancras, London James SAUNDERS, age 27, Shoemaker, born Ringwood, Hampshire Margaret SAUNDERS, wife, age 23, born Tetbury, Gloucestershire Margaret SAUNDERS, dau, age 3, born St Pancras James SAUNDERS, son, age 6 months, born St Pancras 1851 Census H107 1496 page 860 21 Little Drummond Street, St Pancras, London Catherine BERRIDGE, Head, married, age 47, Dressmaker, born Romsey, Hants (appears to be on her own) 1851 Census H107 1496 page 865 onwards Euston Hotel, St Pancras, London Anne WARD, Servant, unmarried, age 27, Barmaid, born Cowes, Isle of Wight Linda Tasmania, Australia

Thank you will do follow up Regards Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Fw: Royal Marine Infimary > Hi Jean > > I just looked at the 1861 image, and it is the list of sailors etc based at > the shore station of HMS Victory, Portsmouth Dockyard. Although the ship > itself was still in existence (and it still is) it was in a permanent dock > there. This base was used to hold men who were not at the time assigned to > another ship. > > There is no reference to Anglesey in the image, although you are right that > is it mentioned in the transcript. This is plainly wrong, and I can only > think it is an error by the transcribers. > > Regarding his marriage, this from FreeBMD may be him: > > > ---------- > Marriages Sep 1855 > > ---------- > Arstall John > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=16993704&d=bmd_11260098 63>Stockport > 8a > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&sta rt=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2M zNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&ampjsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=16993704&d=bmd_1126009863&s can=1> > Scan available - click to view > > Bowker Thomas > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=16999447&d=bmd_11260098 63>Stockport > 8a > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&sta rt=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2M zNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&ampjsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=16999447&d=bmd_1126009863&s can=1> > Scan available - click to view > > Ogden Sarah > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=17041520&d=bmd_11260098 63>Stockport > 8a > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&sta rt=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2M zNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&ampjsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=17041520&d=bmd_1126009863&s can=1> > Scan available - click to view > > Platts Hannah > Maria > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=17044788&d=bmd_11260098 63>Stockport > 8a > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&sta rt=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2M zNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&ampjsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=17044788&d=bmd_1126009863&s can=1> > Scan available - click to view > > =========== > > Of course this may be some other John Arstall, and your man's marriage may > not be on FreeBMD yet. > > To find out whether this John's bride was Sarah or Hannah, I looked for > both in the 1861 census, but without success. She should be alive > somewhere, or John would have been a widower. But the name Arstall strikes > me as one that could easily be garbled by a transcriber or indexer. > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > ================ > > At 09:01 27/09/2005, you wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: jean flanagan > >To: Kent > >Cc: CHESHIRE-L > >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:21 PM > >Subject: Royal Marine Infimary > > > > > >Hi List, I'm hoping for some help to sort out my new found GGGreatuncle > >John ARSTALL b.1825 Partington Cheshire. The info I have from the image is > >as follows:- 1861 census in top margin is written ??? 'Firequeen' John > >ARSTALL age 26 married occupation Private, Partington Cheshire. Reading > >from the transcribed page as follows:- Town, Portsmouth Harbour, > >Hampshire, England. further down page Registration District Anglesy, Sub > >Registration Holyhead, vessel Victory. 1871 census he is a patient at > >Melville Hospital and Royal Marine Infirmary district Medway town Chattam, > >Kent, as Naval Pensioner. He died 1874 Medway Kent. I can't find his > >marriage or his wife on census. Would be grateful for any help about the > >above i.e. vessels, hospital, marriage, why two differant places on 1861 > >transcribed page. Regards Jean > > > > > >============================== > >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > " > Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are > putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and > humorist (1835-1910) > > Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason > and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Thank you doing follow up. Regards jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris and Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Fw: Royal Marine Infimary > There is also a John Arstall from Catishead Lancashire > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON/2004-01/1074301420 > and another reference to him and his wife Elizabeth who had three daughters > Harriet b.1858 > Margaret b. about 1863 > Mary Ann b. about 1867 > at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON/2004-01/1074301420 > > The chap posting the message is after anyone with ARSTALL in the Cheshire > area to contact him, so it may be worth an email to eliminate these. > > There is another page (the URL I have now lost!!) which gives the....... > > Common misspellings and typos for the surname Arstall > Arsatll, Asrtall, Arstaall, Arstalll, Artall, Arrstall, Arstal, AArstall, > Arstll, Astall, rstall, Arstlal, Artsall, rAstall, Arsall, Arsttall, > Arsstall. > > And loads of other ARSTALLs at > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ancestorsearchresults.asp?last_name=Arstall&standardize=N > Again mostly Lancashire > > Chris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Fw: Royal Marine Infimary > > > > Hi Jean > > > > I just looked at the 1861 image, and it is the list of sailors etc based > > at the shore station of HMS Victory, Portsmouth Dockyard. Although the > > ship itself was still in existence (and it still is) it was in a permanent > > dock there. This base was used to hold men who were not at the time > > assigned to another ship. > > > > There is no reference to Anglesey in the image, although you are right > > that is it mentioned in the transcript. This is plainly wrong, and I can > > only think it is an error by the transcribers. > > > > Regarding his marriage, this from FreeBMD may be him: > > > > > > ---------- > > Marriages Sep 1855 > > > > ---------- > > Arstall John > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=16993704&d=bmd_11260098 63>Stockport > > 8a > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&sta rt=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2M zNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&ampjsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=16993704&d=bmd_1126009863&s can=1> > > Scan available - click to view > > > > Bowker Thomas > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=16999447&d=bmd_11260098 63>Stockport > > 8a > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&sta rt=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2M zNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&ampjsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=16999447&d=bmd_1126009863&s can=1> > > Scan available - click to view > > > > Ogden Sarah > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=17041520&d=bmd_11260098 63>Stockport > > 8a > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&sta rt=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2M zNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&ampjsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=17041520&d=bmd_1126009863&s can=1> > > Scan available - click to view > > > > Platts Hannah Maria > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=17044788&d=bmd_11260098 63>Stockport > > 8a > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&sta rt=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2M zNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&ampjsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=17044788&d=bmd_1126009863&s can=1> > > Scan available - click to view > > > > =========== > > > > Of course this may be some other John Arstall, and your man's marriage may > > not be on FreeBMD yet. > > > > To find out whether this John's bride was Sarah or Hannah, I looked for > > both in the 1861 census, but without success. She should be alive > > somewhere, or John would have been a widower. But the name Arstall > > strikes me as one that could easily be garbled by a transcriber or > > indexer. > > > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > > ================ > > > > At 09:01 27/09/2005, you wrote: > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: jean flanagan > >>To: Kent > >>Cc: CHESHIRE-L > >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:21 PM > >>Subject: Royal Marine Infimary > >> > >> > >>Hi List, I'm hoping for some help to sort out my new found GGGreatuncle > >>John ARSTALL b.1825 Partington Cheshire. The info I have from the image is > >>as follows:- 1861 census in top margin is written ??? 'Firequeen' John > >>ARSTALL age 26 married occupation Private, Partington Cheshire. Reading > >>from the transcribed page as follows:- Town, Portsmouth Harbour, > >>Hampshire, England. further down page Registration District Anglesy, Sub > >>Registration Holyhead, vessel Victory. 1871 census he is a patient at > >>Melville Hospital and Royal Marine Infirmary district Medway town Chattam, > >>Kent, as Naval Pensioner. He died 1874 Medway Kent. I can't find his > >>marriage or his wife on census. Would be grateful for any help about the > >>above i.e. vessels, hospital, marriage, why two differant places on 1861 > >>transcribed page. Regards Jean > >> > >> > >>============================== > >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >>areas they lived. 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Hi Dorothy, thank you I will follow it up. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Morrissey" <mamouse56@yahoo.co.nz> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Firequeen > I have an 1871 entry for a man on the crew of the "Duke of Wellington" and a note on the front page of the crew list says "Duke of Wellington, including her Tenders, the Victory, Black Eagle, Firequeen, and Sprightly". > > Dorothy Morrissey > Whakatane, NZ > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Ann and Terry Do you have anything on William Harris who was a blacksmith in the village of Hursley in the first quarter of the nineteenth century? His wife was Sarah and I have a record of three children. I have to admit that I have not been watching this thread and have just picked up on Derek's message. Let me know; regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann & Terry Spiro" <explorer@smartchat.net.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] blacksmiths > Hi Derek > > He certainly is of interest,I'll put him on the Hampshire list today. > > Cheers > > Ann > ******************************************************************************** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "derek lambert" <dereks@rokerman.ndo.co.uk> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:24 AM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] blacksmiths > > >> Hello Ann & Terry, >> re: your blacksmith list, I have a Richard LAMBERT, born Beacon Hill >> Marchwood, July 7 1824, In 1851 he was a working blacksmith in Marchwood >> Parish, and by 1861 had risen to be a Smith & Horseshoe maker >> in Chichester Square, St Marys Southampton. >> Hope this is of interest, >> regards, Derek. >> >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi, I am looking for the family of Thomas Edgell or Edgeller md: 8 Mar 1808 to Mary Dawes in Binsted, Hamp. I think the parish records were in Alton. Could anyone inform me of which churches I could look in to find this marriage date and possible children? Thank you in advance. Gwen

Eunice Thank you so much for taking time to check. Will have to find a way to purchase the certif and hope it shows place of birth to confirm. Thanks to all who were so kind as to look up 1901 and the freeBMD for me. Really appreciate it. Pat C = = = = = = = = = = = = = Remember me in the family tree my name, my days, my strife; then I'll ride upon the wings of time and live an endless life - GOETSCH Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004: Renewed Feb 2005 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ----- Original Message ----- From: Eunice Goude To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: Samuel CORNEY - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deaths Sep 1899 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Corney Samuel 46 Tadcaster 9c 628 Hi Pat Could this be why he is not on the 1901 census as he had passed away. The age would be right at being 46 in 1899. So hope this helps. Regards Eunice - Australia ______________________________

Thanks for taking the time. When I can afford, I will have to order the Samuel Corney d. Sep 1899 Tadcaster and hope something on it will indicate where he came from. In 1891 he was out of the RE and just a Carpenter and Joiner. So maybe he went to Tadcaster for a job? The Corney men born IOW did not live long lives. Father died 60, H W abt 62-65, Samuel C 48 and the long lived one Lawrence Joshua at 67. Many thanks for your help. Pat C = = = = = = = = = = = = = Remember me in the family tree my name, my days, my strife; then I'll ride upon the wings of time and live an endless life - GOETSCH Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004: Renewed Feb 2005 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia O'Shea To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1901 UK Census Hi Pat - used every trick I can think of but he doesn't come up. I notice from earlier censuses that he was a Carpenter Sapper with the Royal Engineers so maybe he was away on service? Boer War? Sorry not to help more with this. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > Angela MacLellan of WRY list found my Gr. Uncle Samuel Charles Corney on > the 1891 Census as follows: > > Portsea Hampshire > in the household of > > Arthur PIKE Head M 41 Stone Mason b Cirencester > Alice PIKE wife M 36 b Isle of Wight Rookley(?) > + children > Samuel C CONNEY Lodger M 38 Carpenter and Joiner b Isle of Wight, Ventnor > > Note the spelling of last Name. > > In 1891, his wife was at either 14 or 19 Somers St. Portsmouth with > daughters Edith and Ethel. > Her sister, Elizabeth BEAL may be living with her and the girls and shown > Elizabeth Corney, sister-in-law. > Has to be Harriet's sister Elizabeth, as Henry William, Samuel Charles and > Lawrence Joshua Corney did not have any sisters. > > In 1901, she and the girls are still at either 14 or 19 Somers Street > Portsmouth. Harriet is still dressmaker, Edith is Milliner and none for > Ethel or reversed on the girls. No sister-in-law shown. > > Being creative with CORNEY, could SKS check the 1901 UK Census for a > Samuel C CORNEY, age 48, Carpenter and Joiner born Isle of Wight, Ventnor > in or around Portsea in 1901? > > I keep getting timed out when the page opens, cannot even get to search > page. > > Would appreciate greatly. > > = = = = = = = = = = = = > Pat Corney, BHCD > Quakertown, PA US > BLUROC1@worldnet.att.net > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > ______________________________

There is also a John Arstall from Catishead Lancashire http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON/2004-01/1074301420 and another reference to him and his wife Elizabeth who had three daughters Harriet b.1858 Margaret b. about 1863 Mary Ann b. about 1867 at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON/2004-01/1074301420 The chap posting the message is after anyone with ARSTALL in the Cheshire area to contact him, so it may be worth an email to eliminate these. There is another page (the URL I have now lost!!) which gives the....... Common misspellings and typos for the surname Arstall Arsatll, Asrtall, Arstaall, Arstalll, Artall, Arrstall, Arstal, AArstall, Arstll, Astall, rstall, Arstlal, Artsall, rAstall, Arsall, Arsttall, Arsstall. And loads of other ARSTALLs at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ancestorsearchresults.asp?last_name=Arstall&standardize=N Again mostly Lancashire Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Fw: Royal Marine Infimary > Hi Jean > > I just looked at the 1861 image, and it is the list of sailors etc based > at the shore station of HMS Victory, Portsmouth Dockyard. Although the > ship itself was still in existence (and it still is) it was in a permanent > dock there. This base was used to hold men who were not at the time > assigned to another ship. > > There is no reference to Anglesey in the image, although you are right > that is it mentioned in the transcript. This is plainly wrong, and I can > only think it is an error by the transcribers. > > Regarding his marriage, this from FreeBMD may be him: > > > ---------- > Marriages Sep 1855 > > ---------- > Arstall John > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=16993704&d=bmd_1126009863>Stockport > 8a > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&start=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2MzNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&ampjsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=16993704&d=bmd_1126009863&scan=1> > Scan available - click to view > > Bowker Thomas > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=16999447&d=bmd_1126009863>Stockport > 8a > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&start=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2MzNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&ampjsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=16999447&d=bmd_1126009863&scan=1> > Scan available - click to view > > Ogden Sarah > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=17041520&d=bmd_1126009863>Stockport > 8a > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&start=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2MzNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&ampjsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=17041520&d=bmd_1126009863&scan=1> > Scan available - click to view > > Platts Hannah Maria > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=17044788&d=bmd_1126009863>Stockport > 8a > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&start=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2MzNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&ampjsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=17044788&d=bmd_1126009863&scan=1> > Scan available - click to view > > =========== > > Of course this may be some other John Arstall, and your man's marriage may > not be on FreeBMD yet. > > To find out whether this John's bride was Sarah or Hannah, I looked for > both in the 1861 census, but without success. She should be alive > somewhere, or John would have been a widower. But the name Arstall > strikes me as one that could easily be garbled by a transcriber or > indexer. > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > ================ > > At 09:01 27/09/2005, you wrote: > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: jean flanagan >>To: Kent >>Cc: CHESHIRE-L >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:21 PM >>Subject: Royal Marine Infimary >> >> >>Hi List, I'm hoping for some help to sort out my new found GGGreatuncle >>John ARSTALL b.1825 Partington Cheshire. The info I have from the image is >>as follows:- 1861 census in top margin is written ??? 'Firequeen' John >>ARSTALL age 26 married occupation Private, Partington Cheshire. Reading >>from the transcribed page as follows:- Town, Portsmouth Harbour, >>Hampshire, England. further down page Registration District Anglesy, Sub >>Registration Holyhead, vessel Victory. 1871 census he is a patient at >>Melville Hospital and Royal Marine Infirmary district Medway town Chattam, >>Kent, as Naval Pensioner. He died 1874 Medway Kent. I can't find his >>marriage or his wife on census. Would be grateful for any help about the >>above i.e. vessels, hospital, marriage, why two differant places on 1861 >>transcribed page. Regards Jean >> >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > " > Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are > putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and > humorist (1835-1910) > > Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason > and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

1851 Census H107 1496 page 814 90 Drummond Street, St Pancras, London Charles GAYLORD, age 46, Organ Builder, born Portsea, Hants Sarah GAYLORD, wife, age 47, born Portsmouth, Hants William GAYLORD, son, unmarried, age 19, Organ Builder, born St Pancras Henry GAYLORD, son, age 14, Organ Pipe Maker, born St Pancras Linda Tasmania, Australia