Does anyone know if the Hampshire Look-up Site is still going. I sent a request to Carol Dolton a while back now and never had a reply. Perhaps it has been disbanded. Thanks Hilda

Hello Rose. You're unlikely to find the father's name on the baptism register, although does happen occasionally. Other single mothers have managed to get around the problem by giving the father's surnames as a middle name for the child. You could try looking for Bastardy Orders on the A2A site. I found a list of them for the village I'm studying. I'm not sure whether they were still in use as late as 1883 but it's worth a try. I discovered that even though I couldn't find them by searching for them by name, when I search for the village name I get a long list and they are featured on it. Hope this helps Dot on 29/9/05 10:45 pm, Opiekan at opiekan@iprimus.com.au wrote: > On a 1883 birth certificate the mother was single so no father is listed. If > I can find a parish baptism will it list the fathers name ? > > Thanks > > > Rose > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at > the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targ > etid=5429 > >

Rose, It is unlikely to mention the father's name unless perhaps they were an acknowledged "couple" who were about to be married. In earlier times, occasionally the parish clerk would include the name of the "reputed" father, but certainly not in most cases. Occasionally the father's surname was given as a middle name which can be a clue to possible parentage in a small community. Regards Sandra Opiekan wrote: >On a 1883 birth certificate the mother was single so no father is listed. If I can find a parish baptism will it list the fathers name ? > >Thanks > > >Rose > > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > >

Well the website is still there Hilda http://members.madasafish.com/~caroldolton/ Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill + Hilda" <hilda29@xtra.co.nz> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:24 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Hampshire Look-up Site > Does anyone know if the Hampshire Look-up Site is still going. > I sent a request to Carol Dolton a while back now and never had a reply. > Perhaps it has been disbanded. > Thanks Hilda > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

1851 Census H107 1496 page 904 49 Whittlebury Street, St Pancras, London Isaac AYLING, age 45, Rail Porter, born Alton, Hants Mary AYLING, wife, age 41, born Alton, Hants Mary AYLING, dau, unmarried, age 23, Servant, born Alton, Hants Henrietta AYLING, dau, age 17, Servant, born Alton, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

thanks Dave for your thoughts on my Charles Frederick S. Terdrey, Captain's valet HMS Flirt 1907 and his marriage/living at Portsmouth, 1907-8. I have ordered the birth cert for Frank D Terdrey born Portsmouth 1908. You mentioned "using Navy Lists" to track the captain of HMS Flirt throughout his career, how might I do this? I tried Nationalarchives but couldnt bring him up nor could i bring up any records for TERDREY. I have problems with the many many spellings of "Terdrey" that have appeared in indexes. Looking for more tips and thanks for your help, it's appreciated, liz of Canada

Hilda if you go to http://www.knightroots.co.uk/ click on links and click on Hampshire look up service there it is! Linda and Tony Does anyone know if the Hampshire Look-up Site is still going. I sent a request to Carol Dolton a while back now and never had a reply. Perhaps it has been disbanded. Thanks Hilda

Rose: I've had a number of illegitimate births on my line and in all instances the father was not shown on the baptism entry. Julie At 02:45 PM 9/29/2005, Opiekan wrote: >On a 1883 birth certificate the mother was single so no father is >listed. If I can find a parish baptism will it list the fathers name ? > >Thanks > > >Rose > > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

1851 Census H107 1496 page 891 30 Cardington Street, St Pancras, London John LAWRENCE, age 29, Piano Forte Maker, born Newport, Isle of Wight Elizabeth LAWRENCE, wife, age 28, born Devonport, Devon Mary LAWRENCE, Sister, age 27, born Newport, Isle of Wight Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1496 page 877 1 Maulden Row, St Pancras, London Mary Ann WILSON, Lodger, married, age 30, Needlewoman, born Kingsclere, Hampshire (husband not with her) 1851 Census H107 1496 page 879 1 Cardington Street, St Pancras, London William FULLER, Servant, married, age 27, Journeyman Baker, born Bedhampton, Hampshire (wife not with him) 1851 Census H107 1496 page 885 18 Cardington Street, St Pancras, London Elizabeth SIMMONS, unmarried, age 59, Laundress, born Winchester, Hants Eliza GALTON, Niece, unmarried, age 30, born Winchester, Hants possible connection to the following: 1851 Census H107 1496 page 881 6 Cardington Street, St Pancras, London Benjamin GALTON, age 48, Carpenter, born Poole, Dorset Mary Amelia GALTON, wife, age 40, born Poole, Dorset Linda Tasmania, Australia

I can't answer the second part of your problem, but the registration problem is all too common. Registration of birthe was required from 1838 but there was no penalty for not doung so. Hence, I imagine a lot of people could see no use in taking time and spending money on a useless piece of paper (even today we don't make much use of them and none of these people were likely to want passports, for example). Hence, they didn't bother. I have seen under-registration put at 15% but if my family is anything to go by it was much higher! After 1875 there was a penalty and so you get birth certificates for all. Best wishes with your other problem Alice Clarke

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That is what I am afraid of. Will use the information with a ? after it. Thank you all for your help. Pat Corney = = = = = = = = = = = = = Remember me in the family tree my name, my days, my strife; then I'll ride upon the wings of time and live an endless life - GOETSCH Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004: Renewed Feb 2005 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Jacobs To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Re: Samuel CORNEY At 22:00 27/09/2005, you wrote: >Eunice > >Thank you so much for taking time to check. > >Will have to find a way to purchase the certif and hope it shows place of >birth to confirm. == An English Death Certificate does not have this information, so the 7 pounds it will cost may not give you very good value for your money. Cheers, Dave Jacobs ===================== >Thanks to all who were so kind as to look up 1901 and the freeBMD for >me. Really appreciate it. > >Pat C >= = = = = = = = = = = = = >Remember me in the family tree my name, my days, my strife; >then I'll ride upon the wings of time and live an endless life - GOETSCH > >Incoming/outgoing mail >scanned by Norton 2004: Renewed Feb 2005 >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eunice Goude > To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:53 AM > Subject: Samuel CORNEY > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Deaths Sep 1899 > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Corney Samuel 46 Tadcaster 9c 628 > > > Hi Pat > > Could this be why he is not on the 1901 census as he had passed away. The > age would be right at being 46 in 1899. > So hope this helps. > Regards > Eunice - Australia > > ______________________________ > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) ______________________________

Hi Liz I was wrong about Flirt being lost at the Battle of Jutland. Here is the actual story: FLIRT, 27th October 1916, English Channel in Strait of Dover - German destroyers. On the night of the 26th/27th "Flirt" (Lt R Kellett with a crew of about 80) left Dover around 20.00hrs and two hours later heard gunfire from the drifter line guarding the Dover anti-U-boat net and mine barrage. A German destroyer raid was in progress, part of a force of two and a half flotillas attacking the drifters, patrolling destroyers and any other Allied shipping . "Flirt" came across drifter "Waveney II" on fire and lowered a boat to render assistance. In the early hours of the 27th, on a very dark, overcast night, enemy destroyers appeared, and opened fire sinking her with all hands, except for the boat's crew who survived. Some sources credit "Flirt's" loss to a torpedo. A total of six drifters were sunk and destroyer "Nubian" torpedoed and damaged that night. I presume your ancestor was not on this ship then? Cheers, dave Jacobs

Hi Liz Some thoughts as I went through your message..... At 02:34 29/09/2005, you wrote: >dear Listers: > >I am new to this list; i have recently received a marriage CERT for >Charles Frederick Stewart TERDREY and Ellen Maud STACEY married at >Portsmouth, 1907. He was "captain's valet' on HMS Flirt. She lived at 5 >Cecil Grove? Southsea. Ellen Maud was from Kent and lived at Eltham in >service in 1901. How she got to Portsmouth is anyone's guess! == Answered an advert in the paper for a domestic job in Portsmouth I should think. Possibly with a naval officer's family. Got there by train. ==== >I cannot find anything in historical city directories on this family. == They may well have rented part of a house, so would not appear in directories of owners or main occupiers. ==== >Freebmd has a birth of Terdrey in 1908: Frank D Terdrey at Portsmouth == Such an unusual name suggests it is the same family, doesn't it? ==== >I believe this family might have moved on to other ports. == The major ports were Plymouth, Portsmouth and Chatham, which were where most naval ships were based. Of course there are many other minor ones, plus shore bases with HMS names. ==== >I believe young Frank was at Dover County school for Boys in 1920-1924. == Apart from following the father's posting around, another place the family might settle would be near where the wife's family lived. ==== >i am wondering if anyone can enlighten me on RN families and how they >lived; other significant ports etc == If my own experience is anything to go by... My father was in the submarine service, as a PO and CPO, in the 1930's and early 40's In the mid 1930's we lived at two different addresses in Portsmouth Then we moved to Lee on the Solent when my father was based at Gosport submarine base. In early WW2 we spent a period on the Isle of Man where my father was at HMS St George, a radio and radar training establishment. We shared the Island with alien internees, who were living in hotels behind barbed wire. Then back to Lee on the Solent a second time, when Dad was at HMS Collingwood as an instructor. Then living with my fathers relatives in a small village on Salisbury plain when Dad was posted to Newcastle.. Finally back to Portsmouth, where we lived when he was demobbed, and he worked at local naval establishments as a civilian radar technician. ==== > also,on the address cited above in 1907 at Southsea? == That would probably be where she was working. Sorry I can't get to a Portsmouth directory easily to see who was the owner/occupier. They probably moved to their own apartment/flat/rooms after they married. Is Frank your ancestor? Have you considered buying a copy of the 1908 birth certificate? Another possible approach. If Charles was sort of 'attached' to his captain, he might stay with him through different postings. It should be possible using Navy Lists, to follow the captain around from ship to ship, and note where each ship was based. The captain's name will be found by looking up HMS Flirt in 1907. I see Flirt was a 'Fawn' class destroyer built in 1897, sunk in 1916 by enemy action (probably one of the 8 British destroyers lost in the Battle of Jutland). ==== Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================== >thanks Liz of BC Canada > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)

Alan, I do have a Birth certificate for a George WEST born in the Kingsclere workhouse. No father is given. The date of birth 09/01/1850 on the cert would seem to indicate that it is the one in the IGI as baptised 25/01/1850. The certificate was obtained in an attempt to locate a father for the George WEST (my 2nd great grandfather). His marriages give 2 different fathers names, the first marriage in 1867 it is David WEST and at his second in 1877 it is Daniel WEST. Yes I know he must have been only 17 or 18 when he married for the first time if all the later census ages he gives are to be believed. In these he was born 1849 or 1850. I cannot another George WEST from Tadley that could be a suitable candidate for the one I am looking for! Barry

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dear Listers: I am new to this list; i have recently received a marriage CERT for Charles Frederick Stewart TERDREY and Ellen Maud STACEY married at Portsmouth, 1907. He was "captain's valet' on HMS Flirt. She lived at 5 Cecil Grove? Southsea. Ellen Maud was from Kent and lived at Eltham in service in 1901. How she got to Portsmouth is anyone's guess! I cannot find anything in historical city directories on this family. Freebmd has a birth of Terdrey in 1908: Frank D Terdrey at Portsmouth I believe this family might have moved on to other ports...I believe young Frank was at Dover County school for Boys in 1920-1924. i am wondering if anyone can enlighten me on RN families and how they lived; other significant ports etc also,on the address cited above in 1907 at Southsea? thanks Liz of BC Canada

Hi Gwen The parish church of Holy Cross Binstead (or Binsted) near Alton had its set of own parish registers, dating from 1653, the originals of which are held by the Hampshire Record Office. Be aware that there is also a parish of the same name on the Isle of Wight, which was part of Hampshire until 1973. Records of this parish are at the Isle of Wight Record Office. Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================ At 00:56 28/09/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > I am looking for the family of Thomas Edgell or Edgeller md: 8 Mar 1808 > to Mary Dawes in Binsted, Hamp. I think the parish records were in > Alton. Could anyone inform me of which churches I could look in to find > this marriage date and possible children? > >Thank you in advance. >Gwen > > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)

Forwarded from: Angela McMurty Australia palmtreeqld@optusnet.com.au I am researching the BARRY family of Romsey prior to 1800 . Seems to be about 5 generations of Walter's. If anybody is researching the same family or can help out in any way I would be most grateful. Angela. PLEASE DO NOT HIT REPLY but send replies to Angela direct. Chris