Hi seeing it is a bit quiet thought I would list my interests. NEWELL,MITCHELL,WATERS .GALLIENNE,BILLENGER/BELLINGER, SIMPSON,FURGUSON,HOLLIS,McCALPEN,COLLIER,CAINS, RUFFEL,BEWSEY,NEWBOLD,NEILL,LAMBLE,HENNING,BULL. Bob Newell

Dear Andy, not an answer to your question but you might be interested: Combes or Coomes, Henry, freeholder attending the Vill of Hardley & Langley swainmote after 1634; tenant farmer in Hardley 1660 (tenancy transferred 14.09.1660) Combes or Coomes, Richard, 'man' appearing at swainmote for Buttsash after 1608; tenant farmer in Hardley 1660 (tenancy transferred 14.09.1660). Combes or Coomes, William (Billy Coombes), after 1815, when local revenue cutters were established near Calshot Castle, was betrayed to them when his ship was disabled, being caught and hanged on a gibbet at Stoney Point Ford, Mrs. Jane, farmer, Mousehole Farm, Dibden, 1911 Ford, R., dairyman, Buttsbridge, 1920s Munday, Joseph, farmed Church Farm, Fawley Parish 1855-1859 (spelt Monday in 1865 P.O. Directory) Munday, Miss, resident, Pentagon Cottage, Fawley, 1855 Mary Osman tenanted an unnamed messuage in Beaulieu in 1792 The Osman family tenanted a farm in Frost Lane in 1851. (Frost Lane is both an area and a thoroughfare, SE of Hythe) Regards, David

Andrew, You don't say where they were living in 1871, or what birthplaces are given in the census. The marriage could have taken place any time from the 1840s up to 1865. There could have been older children who were living elsewhere. It also depends what you mean by "all online resources". Family Search is unlikely to help, as coverage of Hampshire is patchy. FreeBMD is useful but incomplete. A search for the marriage in the GRO indexes would be lengthy, and would not necessarily find the right one unless you find Jane's maiden name. An obvious step would be to find Jane's maiden name by buying the birth certificate of one of the children. Have you tried to find one or both of them in the 1861 and 1851 census returns? Have you looked for John's baptism? If the marriage is likely to have taken place in Southampton, you could request a look-up in the card index at Southampton City Archives, which includes CMB for most Southampton parishes up to the 1870s or later. Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy" <salteyseaman@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] John OSMAN Hi Listers I'm currently researching my Mother's OSMAN family lineage and have encountered a brick wall which I hope somebody can help me with. I have John OSMAN (age 44) on the 1871 census married to Jane M. OSMAN (39) with 2 children, Alice J. OSMAN (6) and Mary L. OSMAN (3). I've been trying to find a marriage for John and Jane using all online resources I know of and have drawn a blank. It is extremely likely that they would have married in Hampshire, possibly the Southampton area, sometime prior to the birth of Alice c1865. Is it possible for sks to do a lookup for this marriage for me please? I appreciate that this is a rather tall order but would appreciate any help available. Thanks in advance Andrew THORN

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1166 2 Grenville Mews, St Pancras, London James WRIGHT, age 42, Cab Master, born Newport, Essex Caroline WRIGHT, wife, age 38, born Portsmouth, Hants Caroline J. WRIGHT, dau, age 16, born Poplar, Middlesex Emma WRIGHT, dau, age 15, born Haggerstone, Middlesex Lucy J. WRIGHT, dau, age 12, scholar, born St Lukes, Middlesex Eliza WRIGHT, dau, age 11, born Haggerstone, Middlesex Isabella WRIGHT, dau, age 8, born Shoreditch, Middlesex Henry J. WRIGHT, son, age 5, born Clerkenwell, Middlesex Susannah WRIGHT, dau, age 3, born St Pancras Anna M. WRIGHT, dau, age 1, born St Pancras Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1148 3 Lower Grenville Street, St Pancras, London George HANNAN, age 68, Carpenter, born City of Bristol Ann HANNAN, wife, age 58, born Gosport, Hants 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1152 10 Lower Grenville Street, St Pancras, London Peter TUCKER, age 59, Journeyman Baker, born Isle of Wight Ann TUCKER, wife, age 54, born Brenchley, Kent 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1165 29 Lower Grenville Street, St Pancras, London William WARNER, age 67, Master Tailor, born Basingstoke, Hants Sally WARNER, wife, age 77, born Wandsworth, Surrey Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hello Listers For some time I've been trying to find out more about John ROBINS, my 8 x ggf, and his sons John and Thomas, my 7 x ggf. I've checked the Alverstoke PRs (where their burials are recorded) but couldn't find John snr's marriage to my 8 x ggm or to his second wife Alice, nor the baptism of either of his sons. Their names are known from his Will. Today on the IGI I found the baptisms of a John and a Thomas in 1636 and 1638 respectively - dates that fit later events for these guys - baptised to John and Philippa in Exeter. As John snr's Will indicates that he was a seaman as were his sons - he willed his boats to them - would it be likely for sea-faring men to travel so far and relocate? This came to mind as a possibility from reading the story of Francis Drake. The book mentions that he moved from Devon to Kent (more than twice the distance from Exeter to Portsmouth) then back again - and about a century earlier. Would such a move be at all likely? Many thanks Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hi Listers I'm currently researching my Mother's OSMAN family lineage and have encountered a brick wall which I hope somebody can help me with. I have John OSMAN (age 44) on the 1871 census married to Jane M. OSMAN (39) with 2 children, Alice J. OSMAN (6) and Mary L. OSMAN (3). I've been trying to find a marriage for John and Jane using all online resources I know of and have drawn a blank. It is extremely likely that they would have married in Hampshire, possibly the Southampton area, sometime prior to the birth of Alice c1865. Is it possible for sks to do a lookup for this marriage for me please? I appreciate that this is a rather tall order but would appreciate any help available. Thanks in advance Andrew THORN Researching: THORN OSMAN MUNDAY FORD MARSH COMBES GRANT HOLDAWAY EADE

I have found an ancestor's navy record saying his period of service was from 1 Jan 1871 to 3 April 1874, when he was discharged. I have found him on the 1871 census on a RN ship in Zanzibar. Having read the notes on searching the records I understand that if he entered service before 1873 there will be an additional service record in ADM 139. Could someone tell me if these records are likely to give me any further information. Many thanks. Kathryn

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1124 71 Clarendon Street, St Pancras, London Benjamin VOKES, age 39, Master Carpenter, born Gosport, Hants Harriet VOKES, wife, age 35, born City of London Harriet VOKES, dau, age 10, scholar, born St Pancras Sarah VOKES, dau, age 8, scholar, born St Pancras Benjamin VOKES, son, age 6, scholar, born St Pancras Jane VOKES, dau, age 5, scholar, born St Pancras William VOKES, son, age 3, born St Pancras Emma VOKES, dau, age 1, born St Pancras 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1138 18 Sidney Street, St Pancras, London Daniel CORDERY, age 50, Hosier, born Stratfield Saye, Hants Louisa CORDERY, wife, age 36, born Marylebone, Middlesex Charles CORDERY, son, age 16, born St Pancras Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hi all found new twig to the tree I have Fanny E WATERS marriage to William J WORLEY Mar qtr 1869 Portsea. William died Jun qtr 1886 leaving Fanny living with her mother and two children Alice K b 1877 and Bertram J 1881. I can find nothing of Bertram after 1891 Census and Alice married June qtr 1896 2b 929 Portsea to either Charles FREEMAN or Alfred BENHAM but I cant find any trace of them in 1901 census. Anyone bored and want to find them Bob

Pam Since you have located the christenings of John and Thomas on the IGI, you might consider visiting the nearest Family History Centre of the LDS Church seeking further information. Here's the details of a FHC close to where you live: Ipswich Australia 66 Haig Street Brassall, Queensland, Australia Phone: 07-3201-5182 Regards Adrian Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "PMR" <cliveden@acenet.net.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Exeter to Portsmouth? > Hello Listers > > For some time I've been trying to find out more about John > ROBINS, my 8 x ggf, and his sons John and Thomas, my 7 x ggf. > > I've checked the Alverstoke PRs (where their burials are > recorded) but couldn't find John snr's marriage to my 8 x ggm or to his > second wife Alice, nor the baptism of either of his sons. Their names are > known from his Will. > > Today on the IGI I found the baptisms of a John and a Thomas in > 1636 and 1638 respectively - dates that fit later events for these guys - > baptised to John and Philippa in Exeter. > > As John snr's Will indicates that he was a seaman as were his > sons - he willed his boats to them - would it be likely for sea-faring men > to travel so far and relocate? This came to mind as a possibility from > reading the story of Francis Drake. The book mentions that he moved from > Devon to Kent (more than twice the distance from Exeter to Portsmouth) > then > back again - and about a century earlier. > > Would such a move be at all likely? > > Many thanks > > Pam > cliveden@acenet.net.au > > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 30/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 30/09/2005

thanks to everyone for your help..greatly appreciated, liz >Ratings refer to the ordinary man compared to the Officers and >Warrant Officers. >Off Steware 2c and Off Std I probably means Officers Steward Class 2 >and Class 1 Li >"paying off" normally refers to Merchant Navy when a chap leaves a >ship he is given his final pay. >List No could mean the Number of the ship in some record or other. >RMG means Recommended for Medal and Gratuity.

Ratings refer to the ordinary man compared to the Officers and Warrant Officers. Off Steware 2c and Off Std I probably means Officers Steward Class 2 and Class 1 Li "paying off" normally refers to Merchant Navy when a chap leaves a ship he is given his final pay. List No could mean the Number of the ship in some record or other. RMG means Recommended for Medal and Gratuity. There is a good website giving meanings of articles of service etc at http://www.barnettresearch.freeserve.co.uk/mainaval.htm Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harvie and Liz Barker" <hebarker@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] reading Seamans' services records? > Dear listers: > > I just downloaded a Record of Seaman Service from National Archive. I have > one page in front of me...for years 1906-1928 for a seaman born 1885. > > I tried to read through the abbreviations list but still cannot really > determine what I have before me. > > Ship names..next column 'List and no"..? then "rating"...under "rating" I > get some terms as "OFF STEW 2c" and "OFF STD I"..? > > under 'no' column I get "4, 19, 55, 56 etc" > > period of service I can understand..eg 1 Aug 11 to 21 sept 11, > "character" VG Sup...I understand that VG might mean "very good" > accompanied by a date of character entry? > > final column: If discharged, whither cause..."shore paying off"? "R.M > G."?? > > Funniest thing: although the marriage cert for this seaman, listed his > residence n 107 as HMS Flirt, Portsmouth, there is no listing of this ship > in first column > > If anyone can help me interpret my record, i will be very appreciative. > goodness, if these fellows served continuously, how did they have any > family life? and no wonder I can only find one offspring of this marriage! > > thanks Liz of Canada > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

I have some blacksmiths from my family tree to add to the list. Hope thethe anecdotes are of interest. THOMAS DOWLING b. abt. 1759 @St. Pancras Chichester m. ELIZABETH RIVERS on 22/1/1780 in Petersfield where he was recorded as a Blacksmith WILLIAM COLEY b. 1798 @ Badg(e)worth, Gloucestershire, 1851 and 2/1/1859 recorded as a Blacksmith. He m. Rebecca b. 1799 in Westerfield and died 1877 in Cheltenham. His two sons:- JOSEPH COLEY b.abt.1835 in Cheltenham m. MARY ELIZABETH STROUD 2/1/1859 in Cheltenham. 1861 he was a Wheelwright Journeyman and in 1881 Carriage Maker WILLIAM HENRY COLLEY b. 1827 in Cheltenham m. Elizabeth b. abt. 1828 in Aldersfield. In 1851 he was a Wheelwright Journeyman with MICHAEL COX, Master Wheelwright at Bishop's Walk and in 1881 Blacksmith and Wheelwright. He died 1901 in Cheltenham. His grandson, son of Joseph Coley WILLIAM HENRY COLLEY b. 19/1/1861 at 17 Hermitage Place, Cheltenham and died 6/10/1922 in Gloucester m. 1/3/1885 PHOEBE SELINA BULLOCK BALLINGER b. 17/4/1863 in Huntley, at Longhope Parish Church. 1881 Wheelwright and in 1885 Coachbuilder. My grandmother, Edith Avis(nee Colley), told my mother that her father, William Henry Colley used to carve the horses for Simmonds Carousal. Two of them just fitted into the front room of their home. He also made the first travelling live-in van for Barnham & Bailey. The Simmonds Company was in Scotland when something went wrong with a piece of equipment so they wrote to the firm William Henry Colley worked for requesting that he travelled to Scotland to carry out the repair. However the firm for which Willam Colley worked sent another employee. On arrival in Scotland this employee was asked who he was and promptly sent back with the message that they wanted the services of William Colley. Best wishes, Marilyn

Reckon that you've got an Officer's Steward 2nd Class and 1st Class respectively; these were the guys who served the Ward Room. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harvie and Liz Barker" <hebarker@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] reading Seamans' services records? > Dear listers: > > I just downloaded a Record of Seaman Service from National Archive. I have > one page in front of me...for years 1906-1928 for a seaman born 1885. > > I tried to read through the abbreviations list but still cannot really > determine what I have before me. > > Ship names..next column 'List and no"..? then "rating"...under "rating" I > get some terms as "OFF STEW 2c" and "OFF STD I"..? > > under 'no' column I get "4, 19, 55, 56 etc" > > period of service I can understand..eg 1 Aug 11 to 21 sept 11, > "character" VG Sup...I understand that VG might mean "very good" > accompanied by a date of character entry? > > final column: If discharged, whither cause..."shore paying off"? "R.M > G."?? > > Funniest thing: although the marriage cert for this seaman, listed his > residence n 107 as HMS Flirt, Portsmouth, there is no listing of this ship > in first column > > If anyone can help me interpret my record, i will be very appreciative. > goodness, if these fellows served continuously, how did they have any > family life? and no wonder I can only find one offspring of this marriage! > > thanks Liz of Canada > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1099 18 Clarendon Street, St Pancras, London John Braffett TAPPER, age 31, Carver and Gilder Journeyman, born Portsmouth, Hants Eliza Bridget TAPPER, wife, age 30, born Marylebone, Middlesex George William TAPPER, son, age 7, scholar, born Marylebone, Middlesex William Henry TAPPER, son, age 5, scholar, born Marylebone, Middlesex Alfred TAPPER, son, age 2, born St Pancras Edward John TAPPER, son, age 6 months, born St Pancras Linda Tasmania, Australia

Dear listers: I just downloaded a Record of Seaman Service from National Archive. I have one page in front of me...for years 1906-1928 for a seaman born 1885. I tried to read through the abbreviations list but still cannot really determine what I have before me. Ship names..next column 'List and no"..? then "rating"...under "rating" I get some terms as "OFF STEW 2c" and "OFF STD I"..? under 'no' column I get "4, 19, 55, 56 etc" period of service I can understand..eg 1 Aug 11 to 21 sept 11, "character" VG Sup...I understand that VG might mean "very good" accompanied by a date of character entry? final column: If discharged, whither cause..."shore paying off"? "R.M G."?? Funniest thing: although the marriage cert for this seaman, listed his residence n 107 as HMS Flirt, Portsmouth, there is no listing of this ship in first column If anyone can help me interpret my record, i will be very appreciative. goodness, if these fellows served continuously, how did they have any family life? and no wonder I can only find one offspring of this marriage! thanks Liz of Canada

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1078 47 Lower Clarendon Street, St Pancras, London Emma CHARLES, unmarried, age 23, Dressmaker, born Southampton 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1081 2 Upper Grenville Street, St Pancras, London Charles PLEDGER, age 43, Painter and Glazier, born London Ann PLEDGER, wife, age 42, born Southampton Charles PLEDGER, son, age 16, Painter Apprentice, born St Pancras Ann PLEDGER, dau, age 12, born St Pancras Arthur PLEDGER, son, age 8, scholar, born St Pancras Charlotte PLEDGER, dau, age 6, scholar, born St Pancras George PLEDGER, son, age 4, born St Pancras Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1045 23 Johnson Street, St Pancras, London Charlotte FARRINGTON, married, age 26, Laundress, born Fordingbridge, Hants Sarah E. FARRINGTON, dau, age 8, scholar, born St Pancras 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1055 48 Johnson Street, St Pancras, London Lucy THOMSON, Visitor, unmarried, age 30, Seamstress, born Southampton, Hants 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1063 10 Lower Clarendon Street, St Pancras, London Lydia PAYNE, widow, age 61, born Ringwood, Hants Lydia PAYNE, dau, unmarried, age 35, Seamstress, born Marylebone, Middlesex Sarah PAYNE, dau, unmarried, age 33, Dressmaker, born Marylebone, Middlesex James PAYNE, son, unmarried, age 31, Organ Builder, born Marylebone, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

On a 1883 birth certificate the mother was single so no father is listed. If I can find a parish baptism will it list the fathers name ? Thanks Rose