The water supply from the Alpine aquifer bubbles up at Brockhampton. It is so free flowing that it produces nearly as much water as Portsmouth are requires. The Portsmouth Water Company HQ is at Brockhampton Lane which runs southwards between the railway line and Havant Centre. Pete

Bob What area are your Bellingers in? My direct line of Bellingers is from Withington in Gloucester. Have you had a look at the following site? Over 6,000 Ballingers. I have found a number of mine on this site. .http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=ballinger&recno =1019 I Don't know why this address hasn't come up in blue so you will have to copy and past. Happy Hunting Regards, Ellie ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Surnames List Hi seeing it is a bit quiet thought I would list my interests. NEWELL,MITCHELL,WATERS .GALLIENNE,BILLENGER/BELLINGER, SIMPSON,FURGUSON,HOLLIS,McCALPEN,COLLIER,CAINS, RUFFEL,BEWSEY,NEWBOLD,NEILL,LAMBLE,HENNING,BULL. Bob Newell ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 30/09/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 30/09/2005

Hello Pam If it any help the following are listed in Whit's Directory of Hampshire, 1859 under Havant. Robins, Miss Mary, West Street (no occupation given) Robins, Cath., West Street, bookseller. There is no listing in Portsmouth for a Robins as a surgeon at that date. As regards Surgeons, they were often trained as apprentices under an established surgeon, often a member of their family. After about 1850 surgery was regulated by civil law and controlled by the Royal College of Surgeons. Training as a surgeon had then to be within a recognised training school, university or hospital. Doctors (physicians) could apply for registration as surgeons but were required to drop their title of "Doctor" in deference to the many surgeons who were registered under the "grandfather" clause. Hence, even today, a surgeon is known as "Mister". Prior to registration by the Royal College surgeons were, as I said, trained by an existing surgeon and were licenced by the Bishop of the Diocese in which they trained. The application to the Bishop for the licence was usually endorsed either by two surgeons under whom he had trained or by twelve "men of substance", i.e. owners of property. I have examples of both in my own family history. Licences for surgeons and midwives can sometimes be found in the county reference library of the diocese in which the surgeon trained, if prior to about 1850. If after about 1850 you would need to look at the alumni lists for each of the teaching hospitals and universities specialising in surgery. If you can find the diocese in which your ancestor trained it would be a good starting point to look to see if any Bishops Licences have survived. Colyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "PMR" <cliveden@acenet.net.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:28 AM > Hello Listers > > In her Will of 1837, Sophia ROBINS left property to her > brother-in-law (husband's brother), listing him as a Surgeon of Havant. > > Is there any way in which I can find out more about him please? > > James married Theresa KNAPP in St Faith's Havant in 1807, with > his 3 known children baptised in the Brockhampton RC church in 1808 > (Catherine Mary), 1810 (James-Joseph) & 1812 (Mary Theresa) respectively. > > I have a note that the two 'girls' aged 38 and 40 were > Stationers in Havant at the time of the 1851 Census and that James was in > Portsmouth or Portsea aged 67. I have no Census entry for Theresa and > nothing more than his baptism for James-Joseph. > > Any help in any other way would also be greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks. > > Pam > cliveden@acenet.net.au > > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

it does not recognise it. my Billengers come from Portsea but I think they went about a bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine" <macmac3@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Surnames List > Bob > What area are your Bellingers in? My direct line of Bellingers is from > Withington in Gloucester. Have you had a look at the following site? > Over > 6,000 Ballingers. I have found a number of mine on this site. > > > .http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=ballinger&recno > =1019 > > I Don't know why this address hasn't come up in blue so you will have to > copy and past. > > Happy Hunting > Regards, Ellie > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:03 PM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Surnames List > > > Hi seeing it is a bit quiet thought I would list my interests. > NEWELL,MITCHELL,WATERS .GALLIENNE,BILLENGER/BELLINGER, > SIMPSON,FURGUSON,HOLLIS,McCALPEN,COLLIER,CAINS, > RUFFEL,BEWSEY,NEWBOLD,NEILL,LAMBLE,HENNING,BULL. > > Bob Newell > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 30/09/2005 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 30/09/2005 > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

No I could only make out full pay looks like Ref lol or col full pay. can you give me any other details of this family birth dates of children and wife. have you found him them in any other census bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "john wakefield" <nlwake@adelphia.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census > Bob - can you read what it says under occupation? > thanks. Nancy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census > > >> Hi Nancy have your man living as a lodger at 11 looks like Newland Rd >> Broadwater Sussex married age 46 b Portsea. if you want the census image >> I can send it to you >> >> Bob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "john wakefield" <nlwake@adelphia.net> >> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:38 PM >> Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census >> >> >>> Is there sks who has access to the 1871 census who would be willing >>> to look up the following person who hopefully is my gg grandfather. >>> The brief information I have came from Ancestry.com >>> listing for non-members. >>> >>> William Ramsay Searle birth 1825, location Hampshire, England >>> civil location >>> residence 1871 Sussex, England >>> >>> With thanks, Nancy >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 >> >> > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Got any birth dates for these people ----- Original Message ----- From: "john wakefield" <nlwake@adelphia.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census > Thank you, thank you and more thank you's. > That was fast. > > I had hoped his wife Jane, daughter Sophia, > and/or son were with him - one search leads > to another. What fun. > > Again thanks! Nancy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census > > >> Hi Nancy have your man living as a lodger at 11 looks like Newland Rd >> Broadwater Sussex married age 46 b Portsea. if you want the census image >> I can send it to you >> >> Bob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "john wakefield" <nlwake@adelphia.net> >> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:38 PM >> Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census >> >> >>> Is there sks who has access to the 1871 census who would be willing >>> to look up the following person who hopefully is my gg grandfather. >>> The brief information I have came from Ancestry.com >>> listing for non-members. >>> >>> William Ramsay Searle birth 1825, location Hampshire, England >>> civil location >>> residence 1871 Sussex, England >>> >>> With thanks, Nancy >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 >> >> > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Nancy have your man living as a lodger at 11 looks like Newland Rd Broadwater Sussex married age 46 b Portsea. if you want the census image I can send it to you Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "john wakefield" <nlwake@adelphia.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census > Is there sks who has access to the 1871 census who would be willing > to look up the following person who hopefully is my gg grandfather. > The brief information I have came from Ancestry.com > listing for non-members. > > William Ramsay Searle birth 1825, location Hampshire, England > civil location > residence 1871 Sussex, England > > With thanks, Nancy > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Brian, Thanks for your reply. His entry for ADM 188 gave his description which was great. Under remarks it says F.E. 1865. Do you know what this means? I presume 1865 is the year. It would be interesting to see his entry in ADM139. Thanks again for your help. best wishes Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: Brian Vine [mailto:bovine@upnaway.com] Sent: 02 October 2005 06:12 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] reading Seamans' services records- another question Hi Kathryn ADM 139 was prior to ADM 188 and should give you his date of joining the service and period of engagement, plus a physical description. Also the ships served on with rating, character, and period of service. Brian Vine Perth WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Smith" <alison@oasts.screaming.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] reading Seamans' services records- another question > > > I have found an ancestor's navy record saying his period of service was > from 1 Jan 1871 to 3 April 1874, when he was discharged. I have found him > on the 1871 census on a RN ship in Zanzibar. > Having read the notes on searching the records I understand that if he > entered service before 1873 there will be an additional service record in > ADM 139. > Could someone tell me if these records are likely to give me any further > information. > Many thanks. > Kathryn > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Bob - can you read what it says under occupation? thanks. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census > Hi Nancy have your man living as a lodger at 11 looks like Newland Rd > Broadwater Sussex married age 46 b Portsea. if you want the census image I > can send it to you > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john wakefield" <nlwake@adelphia.net> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:38 PM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census > > >> Is there sks who has access to the 1871 census who would be willing >> to look up the following person who hopefully is my gg grandfather. >> The brief information I have came from Ancestry.com >> listing for non-members. >> >> William Ramsay Searle birth 1825, location Hampshire, England >> civil location >> residence 1871 Sussex, England >> >> With thanks, Nancy >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 > >

Thank you, thank you and more thank you's. That was fast. I had hoped his wife Jane, daughter Sophia, and/or son were with him - one search leads to another. What fun. Again thanks! Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census > Hi Nancy have your man living as a lodger at 11 looks like Newland Rd > Broadwater Sussex married age 46 b Portsea. if you want the census image I > can send it to you > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john wakefield" <nlwake@adelphia.net> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:38 PM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1871 census > > >> Is there sks who has access to the 1871 census who would be willing >> to look up the following person who hopefully is my gg grandfather. >> The brief information I have came from Ancestry.com >> listing for non-members. >> >> William Ramsay Searle birth 1825, location Hampshire, England >> civil location >> residence 1871 Sussex, England >> >> With thanks, Nancy >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 > >

Hello Adrian Many thanks for your suggestion. It seems that I will have to check the Exeter (St Mary Arches) PRs. I was hoping that the OPC for Exeter could help, but she doesn't have records for this parish yet. A complication has arisen when I found I had noted a baptism in Alverstoke (2-3 miles from Portsmouth) also for a Thomas ROBINS s/o John (no mother mentioned) and in Sep 1638! I got it from the PR but couldn't read the actual date, so maybe I've been barking up the wrong tree, unless ..... (I keep thinking of various possible scenarios!!). I'll probably go round the bend!!!!! Cheers. Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hello Listers In her Will of 1837, Sophia ROBINS left property to her brother-in-law (husband's brother), listing him as a Surgeon of Havant. Is there any way in which I can find out more about him please? James married Theresa KNAPP in St Faith's Havant in 1807, with his 3 known children baptised in the Brockhampton RC church in 1808 (Catherine Mary), 1810 (James-Joseph) & 1812 (Mary Theresa) respectively. I have a note that the two 'girls' aged 38 and 40 were Stationers in Havant at the time of the 1851 Census and that James was in Portsmouth or Portsea aged 67. I have no Census entry for Theresa and nothing more than his baptism for James-Joseph. Any help in any other way would also be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hello Listers I have baptisms for some ROBINS rellies in the RC Church in Brockhampton in the early l800s. However the 1851 Census gives the birthplace as Havant. A check of Parish Locator doesn't show a Brockhampton in Hampshire. Can anyone explain this please? Many thanks. Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hi Pam James Robins is mentioned in Pigots 1830 & 1841 directories, a Surgeon living in West St. Havant. In the 1841 census was 55, not born in Hants, with Therese ? Robins 70, James Robins 30, Assistant and Harriet Robins 15, female servant ? all born Hants, living at West St. Brian Vine Perth WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "PMR" <cliveden@acenet.net.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] James ROBINS, Surgeon of Havant > Hello Listers > > In her Will of 1837, Sophia ROBINS left property to her > brother-in-law (husband's brother), listing him as a Surgeon of Havant. > > Is there any way in which I can find out more about him please? > > James married Theresa KNAPP in St Faith's Havant in 1807, with > his 3 known children baptised in the Brockhampton RC church in 1808 > (Catherine Mary), 1810 (James-Joseph) & 1812 (Mary Theresa) respectively. > > I have a note that the two 'girls' aged 38 and 40 were > Stationers in Havant at the time of the 1851 Census and that James was in > Portsmouth or Portsea aged 67. I have no Census entry for Theresa and > nothing more than his baptism for James-Joseph. > > Any help in any other way would also be greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks. > > Pam > cliveden@acenet.net.au > > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

Is there sks who has access to the 1871 census who would be willing to look up the following person who hopefully is my gg grandfather. The brief information I have came from Ancestry.com listing for non-members. William Ramsay Searle birth 1825, location Hampshire, England civil location residence 1871 Sussex, England With thanks, Nancy

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1179 11 Bridgewater Street, St Pancras, London Henry TIMMS, age 31, Railway Porter, born Stoke, Buckinghamshire Mary TIMMS, wife, age 32, born Appleshaw, Hampshire Mary Ann TIMMS, dau, age 1, born St Pancras 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1183 and 1184 22 Bridgewater Street, St Pancras, London George PARR, age 32, Cab Driver, born Havant, Hants Rebecca PARR, wife, age 30, born London Henry PARR, son, age 10, born St Pancras Sarah PARR, dau, age 8, day scholar, born St Pancras Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1171 4 Bridgewater Street, St Pancras, London Richard WEBB, widower, age 64, Traveller, born Yateley, Hampshire Mary Ann WEBB, dau, unmarried, age 36, Flower Maker, born Middlesex Harriet WEBB, dau, unmarried, age 25, Flower Maker, born Middlesex William WEBB, grandson, age 10, scholar, born St Pancras At the same address as above: 4 Bridgewater Street, but separate entry: George BUCKLAND, age 30, Journeyman Bricklayer, born Andover, Hants Charlotte BUCKLAND, wife, age 25, born Andover, Hants 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1174 9 Bridgewater Street, St Pancras, London Mary NEWBERRY, widow, age 40, Dressmaker, born Basingstoke, Hants Emma NEWBERRY, dau, age 16, Servant, born Middlesex Maria NEWBERRY, dau, age 8, at home, born Southwark, Surrey Mary NEWBERRY, dau, age 5, at home, born St Pancras Charlotte NEWBERRY, dau, age 2, born St Pancras Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hi Kathryn ADM 139 was prior to ADM 188 and should give you his date of joining the service and period of engagement, plus a physical description. Also the ships served on with rating, character, and period of service. Brian Vine Perth WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Smith" <alison@oasts.screaming.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] reading Seamans' services records- another question > > > I have found an ancestor's navy record saying his period of service was > from 1 Jan 1871 to 3 April 1874, when he was discharged. I have found him > on the 1871 census on a RN ship in Zanzibar. > Having read the notes on searching the records I understand that if he > entered service before 1873 there will be an additional service record in > ADM 139. > Could someone tell me if these records are likely to give me any further > information. > Many thanks. > Kathryn > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >

There is a printed transcript of the Brockhampton RC registers in Volume 44 of the Catholic Record Society publications. Periods covered are: Baptisms 1733-1855 Marriages 1744-1750,1788-1824 Deaths 1758-1817 Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "PMR" <cliveden@acenet.net.au> I have baptisms for some ROBINS rellies in the RC Church in Brockhampton in the early l800s. However the 1851 Census gives the birthplace as Havant.

Pam, Brockhampton is not a parish. It is a place within the parish of Havant. To quote from the entry for Havant in Kelly's Directory 1885: "Brockhampton is a tithing, adjoining the town on the south-west." Alan McGowan Hampshire Family History Site http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory ----- Original Message ----- From: "PMR" <cliveden@acenet.net.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:28 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Havant & Brockhampton Hello Listers I have baptisms for some ROBINS rellies in the RC Church in Brockhampton in the early l800s. However the 1851 Census gives the birthplace as Havant. A check of Parish Locator doesn't show a Brockhampton in Hampshire. Can anyone explain this please? Many thanks. Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia