Hello List! Has anyone a connection to or later information on this SHEARING family of Martin? I understand Martin used to be in Wiltshire but is now in Hampshire. Mark SHEARING m Fanny Emma LAWES 1875 children: Henery James 1876 Harriet Anne 1878 m Jesse TITT 1900 Alice Louisa 1881 m Aaron RUNYEARD 1901 Edgar G 1884 Samuel Charles 1886 m Mabel POORE 1916 or 1917 Rhoda C 1889 Christopher 1890 Dorcas Madge 1893 m John William DENDY 1918 Montague 1894 William Easter 1897 d 1898 They are cousins to my grandmother Annie Maria ALLEN nee LAWES. If Peter Adams is still on list would he please contact me. Message to old address bounced, I believe we may be connected through Israel Shearing of Alderholt, if Mark Shearing and Israel Shearing are indeed cousins. Bev -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/123 - Release Date: 06/10/05

I haven't been receiving mail from the list for the past day or two. Is there a problem? Pat

Hello Listers, Please could some kind soul look up the 1841 census for John Groves born about 1806 on Isle of Wight, is possibly the son of John and Mary Groves born in Whippingham, Newchurch or Newport IOW, England. John's Groves born abt 1806 occupation could be a Shipwright? All I know is that John Groves married Mary Ann Vinson 10 Apr 1846 at Whippingham. John Groves Died in 1847 leaving Mary with a daughter Jane Ann Groves born 1847 and possibly pregnant with their son James Henry Groves who was born Early 1848 in East Cowes, IOW. Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves

The birth certificate for the George WEST born '09/01/1850 union workhouse Kingsclere'. Has the name and surname of father blank. The informant is - 'George GETHIN master of the union workhouse' . Mother is Sarah WEST. I was begining to think that the this Sarah WEST is the one who marries John ANGLES (ANGLAS in the free BDM's) in 1855. The ages of :- Sarah WEST born 1823 with father David and Sarah ANGLES in the 1861 census with a nephew George WEST. (she is given as aged 30) are not very close. The Marriage certificate for Sarah WEST and John ANGLES has been ordered to find out the father of this Sarah. The other problem is the occupation for David WEST on the first marriage of George WEST in 1867 - Carman. The occupation of David WEST father of Sarah would be ineresting to find out from the 1851 census. Also is he the David WEST that you found in the BDM's as died 1852? If he is he could not have brought up George as his own! Barry Andrews

Hi Bev - possibly the Crimean War? Regards, Patsy - New Zealand. >I am trying to find out what happened in the 1850's to 2 of my gg uncles > from Durley. > > One the 1851 Census Andrew (22) and William WINTER (20) are at Plymouth > Citadel Barracks, Plymouth Devon in the military. > > There are a few other Durley lads on the list: > > Richard Gumbleton (22 - Upham) > > John S Knapp (22 - Durley) > > William Pavey (20 - Durley) > > Can any one throw any light on any of these lads and the reason they may > have been signing up? the rest of the family were ag.labs. > > I am trying to find out what happened to Andrew and William as I cannot > find > them on later Census records. I suspect that they may have died during > the > course of their service. To date I have not been able to locate their > deaths. > > I would really appreciate some help with this as locating them will almost > complete this branch of the family for the 1800's. > > In case anyone is interested I have a list of the soldiers listed at > Plymouth Citadel Barracks on the 1851 that originated from Hampshire, they > were approx 150. > Thanks > Bev > >

Thank you all for your help, Further information about George WEST from Tadley born about 1850. On his first marriage his father is listed as David WEST at his second marriage his father is listed as Daniel SALMON Does this help or hinder finding the correct George WEST? Barry Andrews

I wonder if anyine could help. In 1861 there is a George WEST aged 10 anda nephew, living with John ANGLES aged 25 and Sarah ANGLES aged 30 living in what looks like 'Bread Half Penny' Tadley. Is it possible for a location of a marriage for these two and a 1851 Census look up for them please. Barry Andrews

I wonder if anyone can help. I am looking for George WEST, my Greatgreat grandfather, born in Tadley (according to later census info from 1871, 1881,1891 and 1901). I have yet to locate him positively in the 1861 Census. The all later census info puts him as born about 1849-50. If that is true then he married at age 17-18 in 1867, the certificate states he is of age! Any George WEST born between 1840 and 1850 could now be a possibility and living in the Tadley area. The 1851 census info and, if possible, an electronic image would be very helpful. Barry Andrews

I wonder if anyone could help. Robert ANDREWS joined the 66th Berkshire regiment (also known as thr 66th Regiment of Foot) on 5th March 1841 in Gosport. Would he be on the census for that area? Barry Andrews

You will probably find this has been moved Patrick We had a similar tank plus other vehicles parked at the back of us at Totton but it was in the mid 50s that they were moved. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Linsley" <cyberbia@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Aldershot - a tank in the woods > Hi everyone > > Years ago in the 1960's my aunt and uncle lived in Aldershot. (My uncle > was > in the Canadian Army). They went back to Canada in the late 1960's. > > They had a gate in the fence at the back of their garden which led right > into the woods. The wood contained the remains of a tank that me and my > cousins would clamber all over. I think from memory it was a Sherman. > > I'm trying to locate whereabouts in Aldershot the tank in the woods is - > and > possibly the road that my aunt, uncle and cousins lived in. > >>From memory I think it was in the area of Ash as I seem to remember that > Mychett Lake was nearby. > > Any ideas? > > Regards > > Patrick > (Bournemouth, Dorset) > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I am trying to find out what happened in the 1850's to 2 of my gg uncles from Durley. One the 1851 Census Andrew (22) and William WINTER (20) are at Plymouth Citadel Barracks, Plymouth Devon in the military. There are a few other Durley lads on the list: Richard Gumbleton (22 - Upham) John S Knapp (22 - Durley) William Pavey (20 - Durley) Can any one throw any light on any of these lads and the reason they may have been signing up? the rest of the family were ag.labs. I am trying to find out what happened to Andrew and William as I cannot find them on later Census records. I suspect that they may have died during the course of their service. To date I have not been able to locate their deaths. I would really appreciate some help with this as locating them will almost complete this branch of the family for the 1800's. In case anyone is interested I have a list of the soldiers listed at Plymouth Citadel Barracks on the 1851 that originated from Hampshire, they were approx 150. Thanks Bev

Hello Colyn Many thanks for your very interesting and most informative message. I knew that surgeons were called Mr lbut I didn't know why - now I do, thanks to you. I'm glad to have Mary and Cath(erine)'s info for 1859. I've found Catherine's death in 1870 but Mary eludes me. She apparently died before 1881 as I can't find her on the Census. That's interesting about the Bishop's Licence for surgeons. James may have trained either in the Diocese of Portsmouth or over the border in the Diocese of Chichester. The family moved back and forth between the two places with great regularity!! His son, James Joseph, is listed as his Assistant in the 1841 Census, so maybe he was training under his father. He was 30 at the time (JJ that is not Dad!). I'll have to give some more thought to this issue. Cheers. Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hi everyone Years ago in the 1960's my aunt and uncle lived in Aldershot. (My uncle was in the Canadian Army). They went back to Canada in the late 1960's. They had a gate in the fence at the back of their garden which led right into the woods. The wood contained the remains of a tank that me and my cousins would clamber all over. I think from memory it was a Sherman. I'm trying to locate whereabouts in Aldershot the tank in the woods is - and possibly the road that my aunt, uncle and cousins lived in. From memory I think it was in the area of Ash as I seem to remember that Mychett Lake was nearby. Any ideas? Regards Patrick (Bournemouth, Dorset)

Hello Listers, Please could some kind soul look up the 1841 census for John Groves born about 1806 on Isle of Wight, is possibly the son of John and Mary Groves born in Whippingham, Newchurch or Newport IOW, England. John's Groves born abt 1806 occupation could be a Shipwright? All I know is that John Groves married Mary Ann Vinson 10 Apr 1846 at Whippingham. John Groves Died in 1847 leaving Mary with a daughter Jane Ann Groves born 1847 and possibly pregnant with their son James Henry Groves who was born Early 1848 in East Cowes, IOW. Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1370 17 Chapel Street, St Pancras, London Charles WAYLAND, age 50, Pork Butcher, born Marylebone, Middlesex Elizabeth WAYLAND, wife, age 46, born Overton, Hampshire William HILL, Nephew, unmarried, age 19, born Overton, Hampshire 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1392 4 Middlesex Place, St Pancras, London John TAYLOR, age 42, Shoemaker, born St James Westminster, Middlesex Eleanor TAYLOR, wife, age 41, born St James Westminster, Middlesex Elizabeth TAYLOR, dau, age 13, born Southampton, Hants Eleanor TAYLOR, dau, age 11, born Southampton, Hants Caroline TAYLOR, dau, age 9, born Southampton, Hants Amelia TAYLOR, dau, age 2, born St Pancras Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1308 38 Middlesex Street, St Pancras, London William KITE, age 46, Pensioner, born Andover, Hants Charlotte KITE, wife, age 37, born Andover, Hants 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1309 35 Middlesex Street, St Pancras, London James GOSLING, widower, age 40, Bricklayer, born Southampton, Hants Thomas GOSLING, son, age 12, born City of London Ann GOSLING, wife, age 34, born City of London (census does state James is a widower) 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1315 48 Middlesex Street, St Pancras, London Sarah JOHNSON, Visitor, widow, age 71, Annuitant, born Basingstoke, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hello Marilyn and other listers The story of your ancestors carving horses for the Simmons Carousal and for Barnham & Bailey is great. I am keeping it to add to a couple of other stories and hope to make a LINK on my Blacksmiths homepage - for interesting stories. I'm not sure when I'll get that done. Regards Ann in Australia explorer@smartchat.net.au Mad, mad person - just starting the Blacksmiths Index: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blacksmiths

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1220 onwards Catholic School, Clarendon Square, St Pancras, London Mary J. WEST, age 10, scholar, born Cowes, Isle of Wight 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1284 5 Middlesex Street, St Pancras, London William Alfred Hale MILES, age 29, occupation listed as N K (Not Known), born Portsmouth, Hants Isabel MILES, wife, age 22, born St Pancras 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1296 19 Middlesex Street, St Pancras, London Henry SMITH, age 40, Gas Stoker, born Southampton, Hants Mary SMITH, wife, age 42, born Marylebone, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

Thanls Marilyn I'll put them in the site as soon as I can. I have just moved house and still living like a gypsy, out of boxes. Thanks again. Regards Ann ****************************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <MarilynLeggett61@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Re: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-D Digest V05 #137 >I have some blacksmiths from my family tree to add to the list. Hope >thethe > anecdotes are of interest. > > THOMAS DOWLING b. abt. 1759 @St. Pancras Chichester m. ELIZABETH RIVERS > on > 22/1/1780 in Petersfield where he was recorded as a Blacksmith > > WILLIAM COLEY b. 1798 @ Badg(e)worth, Gloucestershire, 1851 and 2/1/1859 > recorded as a Blacksmith. He m. Rebecca b. 1799 in Westerfield and died > 1877 in > Cheltenham. > > His two sons:- > JOSEPH COLEY b.abt.1835 in Cheltenham m. MARY ELIZABETH STROUD 2/1/1859 in > Cheltenham. 1861 he was a Wheelwright Journeyman and in 1881 Carriage > Maker > WILLIAM HENRY COLLEY b. 1827 in Cheltenham m. Elizabeth b. abt. 1828 in > Aldersfield. > In 1851 he was a Wheelwright Journeyman with MICHAEL COX, Master > Wheelwright > at Bishop's Walk and in 1881 Blacksmith and Wheelwright. He died 1901 in > Cheltenham. > > His grandson, son of Joseph Coley > WILLIAM HENRY COLLEY b. 19/1/1861 at 17 Hermitage Place, Cheltenham and > died > 6/10/1922 in Gloucester m. 1/3/1885 PHOEBE SELINA BULLOCK BALLINGER b. > 17/4/1863 in Huntley, at Longhope Parish Church. 1881 Wheelwright and in > 1885 > Coachbuilder. > My grandmother, Edith Avis(nee Colley), told my mother that her father, > William Henry Colley used to carve the horses for Simmonds Carousal. Two > of them > just fitted into the front room of their home. He also made the first > travelling live-in van for Barnham & Bailey. The Simmonds Company was in > Scotland > when something went wrong with a piece of equipment so they wrote to the > firm William Henry Colley worked for requesting that he travelled to > Scotland to > carry out the repair. However the firm for which Willam Colley worked > sent > another employee. On arrival in Scotland this employee was asked who he > was > and promptly sent back with the message that they wanted the services of > William Colley. > > Best wishes, > Marilyn > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

I am looking for George WEST, my Greatgreat grandfather, born in Tadley (according to later census info from 1871, 18881,1891 and 1901). Any George WEST born between 1840 and 1850 could now be a possibility and living in the Tadley area. The 1851 census info and, if possible, an electronic image would be very helpful. Barry