Thank you, that looks promising. Regards Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda & Tony" <bestcover@lineone.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] Where is marines wife > Just a possibility or 2 for you to follow up: > > 21 Oct 1845 William Brigden married Mary Fullman , Birling, Kent > > June 1/4 1849 - William Brigden death - Malling Reg Dist (this includes > Birling) > OR > Sept 1/4 1857 - William Brigden death - Medway Reg Dist (this includes > Chatham) > > Linda & Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: jean flanagan [mailto:jeancflanagan@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: 08 October 2005 23:16 > To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is marines wife > > Hi Linda and Tony, There is no fathers name, will go on the assumption it > was her current name. Many thanks, Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <PublicityHGS@aol.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is marines wife > > > > Hello Jean - if you have the marriage cert, this will show you the Fathers > > name and should confirm her maiden name. As a general rule though, widows > > remarried using their current name and not their maiden one. > > Linda & Tony > > > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Just a possibility or 2 for you to follow up: 21 Oct 1845 William Brigden married Mary Fullman , Birling, Kent June 1/4 1849 - William Brigden death - Malling Reg Dist (this includes Birling) OR Sept 1/4 1857 - William Brigden death - Medway Reg Dist (this includes Chatham) Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: jean flanagan [mailto:jeancflanagan@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 08 October 2005 23:16 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is marines wife Hi Linda and Tony, There is no fathers name, will go on the assumption it was her current name. Many thanks, Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <PublicityHGS@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is marines wife > Hello Jean - if you have the marriage cert, this will show you the Fathers > name and should confirm her maiden name. As a general rule though, widows > remarried using their current name and not their maiden one. > Linda & Tony > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi Linda and Tony, There is no fathers name, will go on the assumption it was her current name. Many thanks, Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <PublicityHGS@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Where is marines wife > Hello Jean - if you have the marriage cert, this will show you the Fathers > name and should confirm her maiden name. As a general rule though, widows > remarried using their current name and not their maiden one. > Linda & Tony > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1679 2 Aldenham Terrace, St Pancras, London Esther PHILLIPS, widow, age 69, House Proprietor, born Portsmouth, Hants Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1496 page 1650 1 Watford Street, St Pancras, London John LAWRENCE, age 33, Painter and Glazier, born Gosport, Hants Anna M. LAWRENCE, wife, age 35, born Greenwich, Kent Caroline GAYLOR, Sister-in-law, age 13, born St Georges East, Middlesex 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1662 17 Stanmore Street, St Pancras, London Sarah CHEVALIER, widow, age 36, Laundress, born Isle of Wight Sarah CHEVALIER, dau, age 11, born St Lukes, Middlesex James CHEVALIER, son, age 8, scholar, born St Pancras Ellen CHEVALIER, dau, age 7, scholar, born St Pancras Alfred CHEVALIER, son, age 4, born St Pancras Louisa CHEVALIER, dau, age 2, born St Pancras Anthony CHEVALIER, Father-in-law, age 83, Retired Publican, born France (marital status was not given) 1851 Census H107 1496 page 1670 34 Stanmore Street, St Pancras, London Benjamin EDWARDS, age 48, Shoemaker, born Carisbrooke, Hants Mary EDWARDS, wife, age 50, born Calne, Wiltshire Mary Ann EDWARDS, dau, unmarried, age 22, General Servant, born St Lukes, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hi Linda and Tony, thank you for reply, John married Mary Brigden 1858, the Parish of St Paul Chatham, she is down as widow but with no former name, so don't know if Brigden is maiden name or first married name, her address is Whittaker Place Chatham. I have looked in all census but don't seem to be able to find her. The vessel that John was on "Fire Queen" Portsmouth Harbour. Regards Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Knight" <tony.knight@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] Where is marines wife > Hello Jean > There were two barracks at that time. The RM Artillery were at Southsea > whereas the RM Light Infantry were at Forton Barracks, Gosport. There were > married quarters but also many of the local houses were occupied by Marine > families. There was a school within the Forton barracks for the children of > Marines. > You do not state John's wife's name or where they were married. Some wives > stayed in their home towns whilst the men served away. > > By the way, John is not on the ship Portsmouth - but in the ships company in > Portsmouth - HMS Victory > Marine service records can be found at The National Archive, Kew > > Hope this helps > Linda & Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: jean flanagan [mailto:jeancflanagan@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: 08 October 2005 19:09 > To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Where is marines wife > > Hi Listers, I'm trying to find the wife of John ARSTELL, he is on vessel > Portsmouth 1861census, and Royal Marine Hospital Chatham Kent on 1871 he > died 1874. His marriage cert. states his address as Royal Marine Barracks, > would there be a married quarters there? He is down as being married on both > census, his death cert. states he died in hospital and does not give an info > on family. Would be very grateful for any help. Regards Jean > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

Hello Jean There were two barracks at that time. The RM Artillery were at Southsea whereas the RM Light Infantry were at Forton Barracks, Gosport. There were married quarters but also many of the local houses were occupied by Marine families. There was a school within the Forton barracks for the children of Marines. You do not state John's wife's name or where they were married. Some wives stayed in their home towns whilst the men served away. By the way, John is not on the ship Portsmouth - but in the ships company in Portsmouth - HMS Victory Marine service records can be found at The National Archive, Kew Hope this helps Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: jean flanagan [mailto:jeancflanagan@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 08 October 2005 19:09 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Where is marines wife Hi Listers, I'm trying to find the wife of John ARSTELL, he is on vessel Portsmouth 1861census, and Royal Marine Hospital Chatham Kent on 1871 he died 1874. His marriage cert. states his address as Royal Marine Barracks, would there be a married quarters there? He is down as being married on both census, his death cert. states he died in hospital and does not give an info on family. Would be very grateful for any help. Regards Jean ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi Edna, will have a look though. Regads Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Royal Marines > A good site... > > http://www.mod.uk/contacts/rm_records.htm > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Listers, I'm trying to find the wife of John ARSTELL, he is on vessel Portsmouth 1861census, and Royal Marine Hospital Chatham Kent on 1871 he died 1874. His marriage cert. states his address as Royal Marine Barracks, would there be a married quarters there? He is down as being married on both census, his death cert. states he died in hospital and does not give an info on family. Would be very grateful for any help. Regards Jean

Hello Jean - if you have the marriage cert, this will show you the Fathers name and should confirm her maiden name. As a general rule though, widows remarried using their current name and not their maiden one. Linda & Tony

Those that know I was interviewed by the BBC on regional accents and the story and voice can be seen and heard at http://www.bbc.co.uk/hampshire/content/articles/2005/07/26/southern_life_feature.shtml There is a government health warning on this!! LOL Chris

Hi, If the lady did not remarry, check on the '81 Census for her... Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "jean flanagan" <jeancflanagan@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Where is marines wife > Hi Listers, I'm trying to find the wife of John ARSTELL, he is on vessel > Portsmouth 1861census, and Royal Marine Hospital Chatham Kent on 1871 he > died 1874. His marriage cert. states his address as Royal Marine Barracks, > would there be a married quarters there? He is down as being married on > both census, his death cert. states he died in hospital and does not give > an info on family. Would be very grateful for any help. Regards Jean > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

A good site... http://www.mod.uk/contacts/rm_records.htm Edna - Ottawa

I have found in the 1871 census Elener West abt 1852 Tadley, Hampshire, England Wife Tadley Hampshire George West abt 1851 Kingsclere, Hampshire, England Head Tadley Hampshire The free BDM gives this on one page:- FRANKUM Ellen Kingsclere 2c 460 SUMPTER James Kingsclere 2c 460 TULL Mary Kingsclere 2c 460 West George Kingsclere 2c 460 This is more likey to be the Baseborn George with Mother Sarah WEST born in the Union Workhouse at Kingsclere. My GGgrandfather is with my Ggrandmother in the 1871 census in Norwood. That still leaves trying to find My GGgrandfather George WEST. The 1871 gives - age 23 and born Hampshire The 1881 gives - age 32 and Hants, Tadley The 1891 gives - age 42 and Tadley Common, Hants the 1901 gives - age 51 and Hants, Tadley can any one locate him in 1851 or 1861. I believe the Nephew with the Angles in 1861 could be the George I found in the 1871 given above. Barry Andrews

Coming through okay though Pat Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hodgson" <> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:40 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Test >I haven't been receiving mail from the list for the past day or two. Is >there a problem? > > Pat > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hi Patrick You might like to contact Aldershot military museum, I'm sure someone would remember. http://www.hants.gov.uk/museum/aldershot/ Regards Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Linsley To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: Aldershot - a tank in the woods Hi everyone Years ago in the 1960's my aunt and uncle lived in Aldershot. (My uncle was in the Canadian Army). They went back to Canada in the late 1960's. They had a gate in the fence at the back of their garden which led right into the woods. The wood contained the remains of a tank that me and my cousins would clamber all over. I think from memory it was a Sherman. I'm trying to locate whereabouts in Aldershot the tank in the woods is - and possibly the road that my aunt, uncle and cousins lived in. From memory I think it was in the area of Ash as I seem to remember that Mychett Lake was nearby. Any ideas? Regards Patrick (Bournemouth, Dorset) ______________________________

Hi Shay, You are right on! C does signify a Chatham marine or rating. The other RN depots were Portsmouth, Devonport and Lee-on-Solent (Fleet Air Arm). At one time Fleet Air Arm numbers were prefixed with FAA, up until about 1945 I think. I joined up in 1944 and originally had a prefix of FAA, then it changed to 'L', before I was demobed in 1946. Regards, Dave in Quebec.

An aunt from Portsmouth seems to have had a child registered in the Surrey South West district in 1947. I cannot find any refererence to this district but it would appear to border Hampshire on the map. Does anybody know what areas it covered please? Thanks, Shay

I have a service number that reads C/MX 73916. Would this be a Chatham Marine and, if so, how would I go about finding the service records please? Thanks, Shay

Please, does anybody on the list know anything about Eric Arthur HILL, an engine room artificer HMS Mull of Kintyre at marriage, and Teresa Elizabeth HAYTER, shop assistant in ladies outfitters at marriage. They both gave the address of 30 Folkestone Road, Copnor and married 17 December 1952. I have searched the GRO for children from the marriage and found none. Teresa was born Portsmouth 1924 and I believe Eric was born Hampshire 1925. Anything about anything more than gratefully received! Thanks, Shay