Hello all Could someone with access to Ancestry kindly help me out with a query? I've found an entry in the 1841 census for an individual in whom I'm interested but don't know what to make of the census image. The details are: Elizabeth Harmsworth, born in Hampshire about 1806 - census reference HO107/385/10, folio 1(?), page 1(?) The image shows Elizabeth as a female servant at Hackwood House, Cliddesden. However, the page has been crossed through. The next page, though, continues to list several other servants at Hackwood House. Do the struck through entries on the previous page mean they are invalid? If not, is it safe to accept the information contained therein? Regards Ed

Many thanks Sandra - I stand corrected, and is's something else that I've learned. Good luck with your own tree, cheers - Anthony > > From: Sandra J Smith <[email protected]> > Date: 2007/03/08 Thu PM 06:33:12 GMT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] YELF marriage. > > Anthony, > Not in this case as General Registration didnt start until 1837. > Sandra > > [email protected] wrote: > > >Hi Carole, > >You must have the ages of the couple and from them you will be able to work out when they were born. If you look those year dates up on Ancestry.co you should be able to order their respective Birth Certificates.And that should produce the parent's names. > >HTH - Anthony > > > > > >>From: "Carole Cumber" <[email protected]> > >>Date: 2007/03/08 Thu PM 04:13:20 GMT > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Subject: [ENG-HANTS] YELF marriage. > >> > >>Hi everyone, > >> I received the marriage certificate for Robert YELF and Mary Jane MOORE married Southampton 22/11/1842. > >> I was hoping to find the link between this Robert YELF Shoemaker and my YELF family > >>but the names of the parents are not given!! The GRO informed me " No further details entered, same at R.O. copy". > >>Any suggestions or help appreciated, > >>The church is The Parish Church,Parish of All Saints Southampton,Hants, by certificate. > >> > >>Carole in Canada > >> > >> > >>............................................. > >>Want to contact the local community? > >>Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > >>http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > >>............................................. > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >............................................. > >Want to contact the local community? > >Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > >http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > >............................................. > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have e-mailed the Southampton Records office as suggested but the parents details were not on their entry either. thanks to everyone for their input, Carole in Canada Hi everyone, I received the marriage certificate for Robert YELF and Mary Jane MOORE married Southampton 22/11/1842. I was hoping to find the link between this Robert YELF Shoemaker and my YELF family but the names of the parents are not given!! The GRO informed me " No further details entered, same at R.O. copy". Any suggestions or help appreciated, The church is The Parish Church,Parish of All Saints Southampton,Hants, by certificate. Carole in Canada

Thanks Sandra I will give that a try, Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] YELF marriage. > Carole, > The original registers are at the Southampton Archives. (The Reg Off and > the GRO are copies - not originals) > It may be worthwhile emailing them and asking if they could check the > entry in the original as you have the exact date and place. > Sandra > > Carole Cumber wrote: > >>Hi everyone, >> I received the marriage certificate for Robert >> YELF and Mary Jane MOORE married Southampton 22/11/1842. >> I was hoping to find the link between this Robert YELF Shoemaker and my >> YELF family >>but the names of the parents are not given!! The GRO informed me " No >>further details entered, same at R.O. copy". >>Any suggestions or help appreciated, >>The church is The Parish Church,Parish of All Saints Southampton,Hants, by >>certificate. >> >>Carole in Canada >> >> >>............................................. >>Want to contact the local community? >>Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >>http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >>............................................. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No "full age" is the term used, and anyway it was before Birth registration. Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] YELF marriage. > Hi Carole, > You must have the ages of the couple and from them you will be able to > work out when they were born. If you look those year dates up on > Ancestry.co you should be able to order their respective Birth > Certificates.And that should produce the parent's names. > HTH - Anthony >> >> From: "Carole Cumber" <[email protected]> >> Date: 2007/03/08 Thu PM 04:13:20 GMT >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [ENG-HANTS] YELF marriage. >> >> Hi everyone, >> I received the marriage certificate for Robert >> YELF and Mary Jane MOORE married Southampton 22/11/1842. >> I was hoping to find the link between this Robert YELF Shoemaker and my >> YELF family >> but the names of the parents are not given!! The GRO informed me " No >> further details entered, same at R.O. copy". >> Any suggestions or help appreciated, >> The church is The Parish Church,Parish of All Saints Southampton,Hants, >> by certificate. >> >> Carole in Canada >> >> >> ............................................. >> Want to contact the local community? >> Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >> http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >> ............................................. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carole, The original registers are at the Southampton Archives. (The Reg Off and the GRO are copies - not originals) It may be worthwhile emailing them and asking if they could check the entry in the original as you have the exact date and place. Sandra Carole Cumber wrote: >Hi everyone, > I received the marriage certificate for Robert YELF and Mary Jane MOORE married Southampton 22/11/1842. > I was hoping to find the link between this Robert YELF Shoemaker and my YELF family >but the names of the parents are not given!! The GRO informed me " No further details entered, same at R.O. copy". >Any suggestions or help appreciated, >The church is The Parish Church,Parish of All Saints Southampton,Hants, by certificate. > >Carole in Canada > > >............................................. >Want to contact the local community? >Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >............................................. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Anthony, Not in this case as General Registration didnt start until 1837. Sandra [email protected] wrote: >Hi Carole, >You must have the ages of the couple and from them you will be able to work out when they were born. If you look those year dates up on Ancestry.co you should be able to order their respective Birth Certificates.And that should produce the parent's names. >HTH - Anthony > > >>From: "Carole Cumber" <[email protected]> >>Date: 2007/03/08 Thu PM 04:13:20 GMT >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: [ENG-HANTS] YELF marriage. >> >>Hi everyone, >> I received the marriage certificate for Robert YELF and Mary Jane MOORE married Southampton 22/11/1842. >> I was hoping to find the link between this Robert YELF Shoemaker and my YELF family >>but the names of the parents are not given!! The GRO informed me " No further details entered, same at R.O. copy". >>Any suggestions or help appreciated, >>The church is The Parish Church,Parish of All Saints Southampton,Hants, by certificate. >> >>Carole in Canada >> >> >>............................................. >>Want to contact the local community? >>Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >>http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >>............................................. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > >............................................. >Want to contact the local community? >Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >............................................. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi Carole, You must have the ages of the couple and from them you will be able to work out when they were born. If you look those year dates up on Ancestry.co you should be able to order their respective Birth Certificates.And that should produce the parent's names. HTH - Anthony > > From: "Carole Cumber" <[email protected]> > Date: 2007/03/08 Thu PM 04:13:20 GMT > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] YELF marriage. > > Hi everyone, > I received the marriage certificate for Robert YELF and Mary Jane MOORE married Southampton 22/11/1842. > I was hoping to find the link between this Robert YELF Shoemaker and my YELF family > but the names of the parents are not given!! The GRO informed me " No further details entered, same at R.O. copy". > Any suggestions or help appreciated, > The church is The Parish Church,Parish of All Saints Southampton,Hants, by certificate. > > Carole in Canada > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Also Wilts and Dorset operated out of Lymington on what I believe was a staged service to Salisbury. And I think a PSVII comes under a Group II Licence for people with Diabetes these days but not sure exactly what it was back then. I know I had HGV I which covered all weights for articulated trucks, and there was HGV II and III But PSV was a different categorising, PSV III is for minibus drivers whereas coach drivers come under PSVII I think Colyn Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colyn Blundell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Old Lymington Bus Companies Hello Mark In 1955 Hants and Dorset Omnibus Company ran from the bus station in High Street, Lymington, covering journeys to Bournrmouth and Southampton, including many of the New Forest villages. They were the only buses running a stage service at that time. Stage routes are those where a bus has a regular timetable and stops along their route. Hants and Dorset's Head Office was, I believe, at Bournrmouth. Other bus companies mentioned, Shamrock and Rambler, Royal Blue, were coach operators, not stage buses. I worked for Shamrock and Rambler, who started Charlies Cars in Bournemouth in 1987. They stopped trading in 1989. Their Head Office was in Bournemouth. Royal Blue Coaches was started by an ancestor of my first wife and was also based in Bournemouth. Southdown Motor Company, based in Portsmouth, ran the routes East of Hampshire and into Sussex and Surrey. The furthest West they ran was to Southampton. Bus companies and routes at that time were very strictly controlled by the Traffic Commissioners. Buses had to carry a conductor, One Man Operation, or OMO's, did not enter service until the late 1960's. A person joined the bus company as a conductor, would spend several years learning the routes and then take his (very stiff) Public Service Vehicle Class 1 driving test to qualify as a bus Driver. A PSV1 entitled a person to drive a double-decker bus "for hire or reward" and take fare-paying passengers. The lesser qualification of a PSV111 (three) was for coach drivers. I do not know what a PSV11 might have been for. Hope this is helpful Colyn.

Hi everyone, I received the marriage certificate for Robert YELF and Mary Jane MOORE married Southampton 22/11/1842. I was hoping to find the link between this Robert YELF Shoemaker and my YELF family but the names of the parents are not given!! The GRO informed me " No further details entered, same at R.O. copy". Any suggestions or help appreciated, The church is The Parish Church,Parish of All Saints Southampton,Hants, by certificate. Carole in Canada

Hi Carole You said "I received the marriage certificate for Robert YELF and Mary Jane MOORE married Southampton 22/11/1842. I was hoping to find the link between this Robert YELF Shoemaker and my YELF family but the names of the parents are not given!! ....The church is The Parish Church,Parish of All Saints Southampton,Hants, by certificate." >From their ages in the 1851 Census, I would say they were both born about 1811. I suspect that he is the person shown as Robert YEEF in the 1841 Census, a Bootmaker aged 30 living at Deacons Court, St Mary, Southampton with Robert YEEF a Cabinet Maker aged 60, Sophia YEEF aged 60 and Emily YEEF aged 5. Family relationships were not indicated in the 1841 Census, but at a guess Robert and Sophia are Robert's parents. Young Robert was a Shoemaker in the 1851 Census, so I think we have the right one. In the 1851 Census that child Emily was at Southampton All Saints with her parents William and Elizabeth YELF aged 45 and 50 - William was a Cabinet Maker so I guess a brother of Robert and the son of the older William and Sophia. Best wishes Dick Chandler in Salmon Arm, British Columbia, Canada researching CHANDLER surname family history world-wide. See http://www.one-name.org/profiles/chandler.html. Member 2767 of The Guild of One-Name Studies http://www.one-name.org/ and its Regional Representative for Canada West

Hello Mark In 1955 Hants and Dorset Omnibus Company ran from the bus station in High Street, Lymington, covering journeys to Bournrmouth and Southampton, including many of the New Forest villages. They were the only buses running a stage service at that time. Stage routes are those where a bus has a regular timetable and stops along their route. Hants and Dorset's Head Office was, I believe, at Bournrmouth. Other bus companies mentioned, Shamrock and Rambler, Royal Blue, were coach operators, not stage buses. I worked for Shamrock and Rambler, who started Charlies Cars in Bournemouth in 1987. They stopped trading in 1989. Their Head Office was in Bournemouth. Royal Blue Coaches was started by an ancestor of my first wife and was also based in Bournemouth. Southdown Motor Company, based in Portsmouth, ran the routes East of Hampshire and into Sussex and Surrey. The furthest West they ran was to Southampton. Bus companies and routes at that time were very strictly controlled by the Traffic Commissioners. Buses had to carry a conductor, One Man Operation, or OMO's, did not enter service until the late 1960's. A person joined the bus company as a conductor, would spend several years learning the routes and then take his (very stiff) Public Service Vehicle Class 1 driving test to qualify as a bus Driver. A PSV1 entitled a person to drive a double-decker bus "for hire or reward" and take fare-paying passengers. The lesser qualification of a PSV111 (three) was for coach drivers. I do not know what a PSV11 might have been for. Hope this is helpful Colyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark ware" <[email protected]> > Hi all, > > I have a relative Leonard Horace ROOK, who died in Lymington in 1955 and > whose occupation was listed as bus driver. As he was 68 when he died I am > assuming that he was retired, but, does anybody know who he might have > driven for and if so is there anyway in which I might be able to find any > records for him? > > Many thanks > > Mark

Shamrock and Rambler had their offices on the corner of Bedford Place Southampton by the coach station. I think also there may have been a Southdown & District bus call in at Lymington as well. Black and White coaches were another popular one down here as well as the old Royal Blue the forerunner of National Express! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davy Cannon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Old Lymington Bus Companies > Hants and Dorset and Wilts and Dorset used to work out of Lymington Bus > Station. I remember a coach firm operating in the area during my childhood (no, they weren't horse-drawn!) called "Shamrock and Rambler". ............................................. Want to contact the local community? Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk ............................................. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000722-1, 03/07/2007 Tested on: 3/7/2007 5:54:58 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

> Hants and Dorset and Wilts and Dorset used to work out of Lymington Bus > Station. I remember a coach firm operating in the area during my childhood (no, they weren't horse-drawn!) called "Shamrock and Rambler".

On 19 December 2006 Stanley Lane passed away aged 85. He was part of the Lane family that go back to the late 1700's in Wiltshire. He had close ties to the Stickland family who also go back to the late 1700's but from Dorset. He spent his later years at Tiptoe married to Renee Lane(Adams,Stickland) who passed away three years previously. On 5th March 2007 Ian Wooldridge passed away. Ian was a respected sports journalist who originated from New Milton. He was my cousin and although I didn't know him very well, he always had time for my Mother and never forgot her birthday. The Wooldridge family can be traced back to the late 1700's through Boldre and Lymington and have ties with the Gale family and of course the Stickland, Lane families. Ron Adams

Hants and Dorset and Wilts and Dorset used to work out of Lymington Bus Station. Chris From: [email protected] on behalf of mark ware Sent: Wed 3/7/2007 10:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Old Lymington Bus Companies Hi all, I have a relative Leonard Horace ROOK, who died in Lymington in 1955 and whose occupation was listed as bus driver. As he was 68 when he died I am assuming that he was retired, but, does anybody know who he might have driven for and if so is there anyway in which I might be able to find any records for him? Many thanks Mark

Hello Mark, I lived there at the time and remember the Hants & Dorset buses well. Graham. ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of mark ware Sent: Wed 3/7/2007 10:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Old Lymington Bus Companies Hi all, I have a relative Leonard Horace ROOK, who died in Lymington in 1955 and whose occupation was listed as bus driver. As he was 68 when he died I am assuming that he was retired, but, does anybody know who he might have driven for and if so is there anyway in which I might be able to find any records for him? Many thanks Mark ............................................. Want to contact the local community? Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk <http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk/> ............................................. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I have a relative Leonard Horace ROOK, who died in Lymington in 1955 and whose occupation was listed as bus driver. As he was 68 when he died I am assuming that he was retired, but, does anybody know who he might have driven for and if so is there anyway in which I might be able to find any records for him? Many thanks Mark

Have you purchased the birth certificate? This is more reliable than a baptism entry and should sort your problem out. Sandra [email protected] wrote: >Hi > >I have rejoined the list as I am back researching my Hampshire family, >having spent some time on family members in surrounding counties. > >I have a problem concerning an entry on the IGI ....... > >Name: Sarah Ann FRANKLIN >Christening: 22 December 1871 Sherfield Upon Loddon, Hampshire, England >Father: David Franklin >Mother: Maria >Batch number C022104 > >I have found an entry in the BMD indexes for the December quarter of 1871 >which probably relates to the birth of Sarah Ann.. > >My problem is as follows - > >Maria FRANKLIN was born in 1849 - she was oldest known child of David >FRANKLIN and Patience WIX who were married on 21 January 1849 in Sherfield on >Loddon. > >I have followed Maria through the cansus - in 1851 & 1861 she was at home >with her parents in Sherfield on Loddon on census night. In 1871, she was a >servant in Greywell, Hampshire. By 1881 she is married to James Woods and is >living in Basingstoke, the marriage having taken place in 1877. She is still >in Basingstoke in 1896, when she is shown as the informant on her father's >death certificate, and in the 1901 census. > >Lets go back to Sarah Ann - who was baptised in 1871 ... she was obviously >baseborn, but the IGI entry shows the father to be David Franklin. As far as >I can tell, there are only two David Franklins in the area - Maria's father >and Maria's younger brother (my great grandfather) who was born in 1863. > >There is a possible solution (I don't want to go there !!), but my gut >reaction is that the vicar asked for 'father's name' and she, in ignorance, gave >her own father's name. > >Have listers heard of this situation before? > >Also, if anyone happens to be going to the Hampshire record office, or has >access to the parish records of Sherfield on Loddon in some other way - what >exactly does the entry say? - has there been some form of mistranscription on >the IGI site? > >Thanks >Rosemary >Carryduff, Northern Ireland > > >............................................. >Want to contact the local community? >Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >............................................. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi I have rejoined the list as I am back researching my Hampshire family, having spent some time on family members in surrounding counties. I have a problem concerning an entry on the IGI ....... Name: Sarah Ann FRANKLIN Christening: 22 December 1871 Sherfield Upon Loddon, Hampshire, England Father: David Franklin Mother: Maria Batch number C022104 I have found an entry in the BMD indexes for the December quarter of 1871 which probably relates to the birth of Sarah Ann.. My problem is as follows - Maria FRANKLIN was born in 1849 - she was oldest known child of David FRANKLIN and Patience WIX who were married on 21 January 1849 in Sherfield on Loddon. I have followed Maria through the cansus - in 1851 & 1861 she was at home with her parents in Sherfield on Loddon on census night. In 1871, she was a servant in Greywell, Hampshire. By 1881 she is married to James Woods and is living in Basingstoke, the marriage having taken place in 1877. She is still in Basingstoke in 1896, when she is shown as the informant on her father's death certificate, and in the 1901 census. Lets go back to Sarah Ann - who was baptised in 1871 ... she was obviously baseborn, but the IGI entry shows the father to be David Franklin. As far as I can tell, there are only two David Franklins in the area - Maria's father and Maria's younger brother (my great grandfather) who was born in 1863. There is a possible solution (I don't want to go there !!), but my gut reaction is that the vicar asked for 'father's name' and she, in ignorance, gave her own father's name. Have listers heard of this situation before? Also, if anyone happens to be going to the Hampshire record office, or has access to the parish records of Sherfield on Loddon in some other way - what exactly does the entry say? - has there been some form of mistranscription on the IGI site? Thanks Rosemary Carryduff, Northern Ireland