Yes, the age question. I noticed many variances in ages for the same people recorded at the time of a baptism, marriage and burial - as a matter of fact some people when I did a calculation of the birth year based on those three records gave me three different dates spread over 4 years. My wife's uncle, when he enlisted to serve in WW1, stated on his enlistment papers that he was 18 years old. In the same military file was his birth certificate that clearly showed he was 16 years 3 months old, he was however accepted, served and died in Belgium just before his 18th birthday. I always look for at least one other supporting document if at all possible. Regards Ed Barbour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Birth Certificates v Census > Graham, > Had to chuckle at the Italian Vicar story. > Everything you have said is very valid. Just a couple of additional > points: > Births had to be reported to the registrar within 6 weeks of the birth, > so unlikely that place of birth would be "forgotten" in that time. > Ages on marriage certificates, like ages on census returns, are always a > bit problematic and not always because an age wants to be hidden. These > days we are forever being asked either our age or our date of birth. In > days gone by, it was a question rarely asked, so easily forgotten. > Ages on death certificates are the same. The person reporting the death > might not have known the age of the deceased, so the registrar would use > the best estimate. > > My grandfather, Leonard Mabey of Southampton, lied about his age to go > to sea, adding on a couple of years to "qualify". Over the years he > maintained this age, getting married, raising a family of 4, etc etc. > It all went well until he came to retire and claim his old-age pension - > they sent him back to work for 2 more years. (He never had a birth > certificate, so they took his baptism as the record). My grandmother > was furious - not because of the 2 more years work, but because it > turned out that she was older than him! > Regards > Sandra > > > > The Taylors wrote: > >>Sandra et all >> >>I can only go part way to agreeing with what Sandra has said about Birth >>Certificates V Census. >> >>I have obtained several birth/ wedding /burial documents and in the main >>they appear to be accurate but there are still inconsistencies with even >>this documentation. >> >>It is quite possible, even up to 1880 that no member of the family could >>read or write. Many of my paternal and to some extent maternal side were >>making with the sign of a X up to this date. So who could be sure about >>age, >>date of birth even birth place? Its never 100% >> >>Spelling is another matter. On census it depended on the enumerators to >>understand the enumerated (is that a correct word?). I have a Daniel, who >>became a Samuel, a Walter who became a William who became a Wallace >>(thankfully the DOB remained constant!). Surnames often were mis-spelt eg >>Watcham /Watsham/Wadley/Wordley, Prior, Pryor, Notley /Nutterley/Cutterley >>I >>have some Watcham relatives, some Watsham relatives, some Wordley and some >>Wadley. Watchams all from one source, Wadleys all from one source. In one >>case I had an Italian Vicar marrying an Indian man and a woman from East >>Anglia. I would have loved to have heard the reading of the banns!! >>Sometimes a name has been deliberately given to hide something that a >>person >>wanted to hide (in my case an illegitimately birth in the 1830's). DOB can >>vary by up to 5 years. Place of birth can also. >> >>Rule of thumb- check one source, compare with another and check again. If >>all appears to tie in then it probably will. If you have any doubts never, >>never assume. I had one person last week said we must be related because >>our >>families both come from Norfolk!!! Come to think of it in this case she >>could be right (with apologies to Norfolk!!) >> >>Graham >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sandra J Smith >>Sent: 12 March 2007 11:17 >>To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L >>Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Birth Certificates v Census >> >>Hi List, >>This email is triggered by a number of emails recently asking for help >>with identifying parents of individuals. >> >>The appearance of indexed census returns on the web in recent years >>appears to be encouraging new researchers to take short cuts with their >>family history - in short - anything but pay for a certified birth or >>marriage certificate. >> >>I come from the "old school" of researchers, whereby you found and >>purchased certificates and then confirmed or enhanced your findings with >>census information. Whilst in many cases it can now be done the other >>way round, I still believe that the original method of researching is >>robust and can save time and grief in the long run. The certificates >>are legal documents - the census is not. What is reported on a birth >>certificate is usually fact - what is reported to a census enumerator >>could be a long stretch of the imagination. I have come across a number >>of people recently who have researched an incorrect line of ascent, >>because they failed to purchase a certificate of birth to verify correct >>parentage. For example, on the census someone could be listed as a >>child of the head of household, whereas in reality they were the >>illegitimate child of the mother and not necessarily a child of the head >>of household. >> >>There is no need to buy certificates for everyone on your tree - few of >>us could afford that. However, it is essential to purchase the >>appropriate certificates for your direct line, and then use the census >>to confirm and add siblings and other relatives to the tree. >>Regards >>Sandra >> >> >>............................................. >>Want to contact the local community? >>Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >>http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >>............................................. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List I'm keen to determine the parents of one Henry WALKER, who died on 24 Feb 1879 in the Garrison Station Hospital, Portsea. He was aged 21 and a Private in the 27th Regiment. Would anyone know if any patient records would still exist today for either the Garrison Station Hospital or the 27th Regiment please? (According to Google there are several regiments with this number active today, but all were formed in the 1900's: 27th Regiment RA, 27 Regiment RLC, and 27 Regiment RCT). Regards Kevin

Hello all. I am wondering if anyone can help figure out a puzzle. My great great grandmother was Mary Ann Spratt. She was born in 1871/2 in Hampshire (possibly Eling or Bramshaw). She married Stephen James Holmes who was born 1873 in Titchfield, Hampshire. Stephens parents were John Holmes and Kitty Spratt. Kitty's parents were James Spratt and Harriet Henbest. Anyways, my puzzle is this: Mary Ann Spratt cannot be found on the 1871 census. I assume this is because her mother may be pregnant, hence she is missing. In 1881, Mary Ann is with her grandparents, James and Harriet Spratt (Kitty's parents). They are living in a farm house at the time, and next door is a Spratt family in a cottage. In 1891, she is living with her aunt and uncle, Harry and Harriet Jane (Spratt) Smith, along with her future husband, Stephen James Holmes, and a Henry Spratt, who we believe is an illegitimate child of Mary and Stephens. I am trying very hard to locate her parents, and seem to be having great difficulty. I am wondering if the Spratts next door in the cottage may be her parents, and at the time of the census, she was next door with her grandparents? Can anyone possibly help shed some light on this please? I am in the process of working around it, by recording each census with the families, and building a tree this way at the moment. I live in New Zealand, so find it difficult to find answers sometimes. I know later on, her and Stephen move to Bartley and live in Hope Cottage. I have found a picture on the net with the Cottage and a blurb about standing outfront is Mary Holmes and children (early 1900s). Thank you, Jace

Hello everyone I am trying to find any details about William BUNCE ( including parents) born Winchester (Hursley??) about 1774, possibly married Elizabeth , a local girl, before the turn of the century. Many thanks Graham

Sandra et all I can only go part way to agreeing with what Sandra has said about Birth Certificates V Census. I have obtained several birth/ wedding /burial documents and in the main they appear to be accurate but there are still inconsistencies with even this documentation. It is quite possible, even up to 1880 that no member of the family could read or write. Many of my paternal and to some extent maternal side were making with the sign of a X up to this date. So who could be sure about age, date of birth even birth place? Its never 100% Spelling is another matter. On census it depended on the enumerators to understand the enumerated (is that a correct word?). I have a Daniel, who became a Samuel, a Walter who became a William who became a Wallace (thankfully the DOB remained constant!). Surnames often were mis-spelt eg Watcham /Watsham/Wadley/Wordley, Prior, Pryor, Notley /Nutterley/Cutterley I have some Watcham relatives, some Watsham relatives, some Wordley and some Wadley. Watchams all from one source, Wadleys all from one source. In one case I had an Italian Vicar marrying an Indian man and a woman from East Anglia. I would have loved to have heard the reading of the banns!! Sometimes a name has been deliberately given to hide something that a person wanted to hide (in my case an illegitimately birth in the 1830's). DOB can vary by up to 5 years. Place of birth can also. Rule of thumb- check one source, compare with another and check again. If all appears to tie in then it probably will. If you have any doubts never, never assume. I had one person last week said we must be related because our families both come from Norfolk!!! Come to think of it in this case she could be right (with apologies to Norfolk!!) Graham -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sandra J Smith Sent: 12 March 2007 11:17 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Birth Certificates v Census Hi List, This email is triggered by a number of emails recently asking for help with identifying parents of individuals. The appearance of indexed census returns on the web in recent years appears to be encouraging new researchers to take short cuts with their family history - in short - anything but pay for a certified birth or marriage certificate. I come from the "old school" of researchers, whereby you found and purchased certificates and then confirmed or enhanced your findings with census information. Whilst in many cases it can now be done the other way round, I still believe that the original method of researching is robust and can save time and grief in the long run. The certificates are legal documents - the census is not. What is reported on a birth certificate is usually fact - what is reported to a census enumerator could be a long stretch of the imagination. I have come across a number of people recently who have researched an incorrect line of ascent, because they failed to purchase a certificate of birth to verify correct parentage. For example, on the census someone could be listed as a child of the head of household, whereas in reality they were the illegitimate child of the mother and not necessarily a child of the head of household. There is no need to buy certificates for everyone on your tree - few of us could afford that. However, it is essential to purchase the appropriate certificates for your direct line, and then use the census to confirm and add siblings and other relatives to the tree. Regards Sandra ............................................. Want to contact the local community? Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk ............................................. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/712 - Release Date: 06/03/2007 15:42

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:59:54 +0000 Sandra J Smith <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Sandra, > Yes, I have to agree that even "legal" documents are sometimes > misleading, but generally the lies are told on the marriage Of which, I have a good example; I simply could not find the birth cert of one of my forebears (Mercy Harlow). According to her marriage certificate, her father was George Harlow. Only two birth registrations were in the correct time frame, and even one of those was "off" by five years. I ordered both, and neither appeared to be the correct certificate. Nothing else in the GRO indexes fitted so, brick wall. I traced the girl through census returns, to see if I could get a better fix on her. No dice. Age fluctuated, as did the names and ages of siblings. Name of father appeared to change, too. Warning bells rang. It took a lot of tracking through various census returns, and a fairly large number of certificates, but it turns out that Mercy's father was Henry Harlow, not George. Henry died when Mercy was quite young, and her mother married another Harlow (George). Birth certificates of her siblings enabled me to pinpoint the death of Henry, and mother's marriage to George. Even her older sister was only four when their father died so it is entirely possible, of course, that Mercy believed her father was George. Alternatively, she could have wanted to avoid (perceived) complications and stated that her step-father was her birth father. I'll probably never know. Which reminds me; I must order a copy of Mercy's older sister's marriage certificate to see who she said her father was. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Buy some love at the five and dime You Have Placed A Chill In My Heart - Eurythmics

Hi Chirani, Yes, I have to agree that even "legal" documents are sometimes misleading, but generally the lies are told on the marriage certificates, usually to hide an illegitimacy, although sometimes the inventiveness is that the information was just not known. Birth certificates tend to be far more reliable, although even these could hide a few secrets - perhaps only discernable with DNS testing! Didn't someone, somewhere say "It's a wise man who knows his own father"? I suspect a few of mine were not very wise!!! But I agree that all available documentation should be used to construct a tree with the Legal Documentation providing the foundation stone and other documentation the bricks. Regards Sandra Charani wrote: >Carole Cumber wrote: > > > >>I agree wholeheartedly with Sandra's statement regarding research. >>So many times now I have been contacted by people who say they are related >>but when I ask about documentation I am told well it's on the census! >>The census is a wonderful tool but Birth and Marriage certificates prove the >>link and help a researcher go forward (or backwards) with a family line. >> >> > >You can't rely on certificates either. > >According to my great grandfather in law's marriage certificate he >was a widower with a father named John and his name was William James. > >He wasn't a widower. He didn't have a father named John and his name >wasn't William James. > >He isn't the only one to have invented a father on a marriage certificate. > >My 4x great grandfather claimed his father was William. It wasn't. >He was illegitimate. > >Same applies to birth certificates. The information is only as good >as the informant, just as it is with the census. > >It's very much a case of verifying every step and not accepting any >single document as gospel. > > >

Hi all, Many thanks to all who answered the question on the "Onw" meaning. This puts to bed another perplexity. You all are great and very helpful. Regards, Harold Original Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:25:55 -0500 From: "Harold Murray" <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Question on birth registration index To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I wonder if someone can tell me what the (date Onw) means? Example: District: Portsmouth (1900 Onw) This has had me perplexed for a while. Thank you, Genealogy Research area in UK and surnames: Ripley, Codnor, Derbyshire: Brown, Brindley, Buxton, Evans, Gill, Grainger, Matkin, Oliver, Stanley, Wilson Sholing, Hampshire: Gilbert, Hinton, How, Parker, Read Regards, Harold J. (Jack) Murray Kansas City, Missouri

Carole Cumber wrote: > I agree wholeheartedly with Sandra's statement regarding research. > So many times now I have been contacted by people who say they are related > but when I ask about documentation I am told well it's on the census! > The census is a wonderful tool but Birth and Marriage certificates prove the > link and help a researcher go forward (or backwards) with a family line. You can't rely on certificates either. According to my great grandfather in law's marriage certificate he was a widower with a father named John and his name was William James. He wasn't a widower. He didn't have a father named John and his name wasn't William James. He isn't the only one to have invented a father on a marriage certificate. My 4x great grandfather claimed his father was William. It wasn't. He was illegitimate. Same applies to birth certificates. The information is only as good as the informant, just as it is with the census. It's very much a case of verifying every step and not accepting any single document as gospel. -- Charani (UK)

Hi Howard, The abbreviation Onw stands for Onwards, as others have pointed out. The reason for this is as follows: The original registration districts were set up July 1st 1837, but over succeeding years there were major changes to those original registration districts, mainly due to large population shifts. Additionally, some Registration Districts also not only had a boundary change but also a name change, and some disappeared completely. So in the example you stated, the new Portsmouth Registration District was created in 1900, from combiming the original Portsea Island RD, Great Salterns RD, and the original Portsmouth RD; these last three disappeared in 1900. An even more complicated one is South Stoneham - which I don't intend to reproduce here - see the link below. For a full list of Hampshire Registration Districts, including their creations and amalgamations: http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/reg/ham.htm Hope this helps Sandra Harold Murray wrote: >Hi all, > >I wonder if someone can tell me what the (date Onw) means? >Example: >District: Portsmouth (1900 Onw) > >This has had me perplexed for a while. > >Thank you, > >P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy >program can be downloaded FREE at >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Index.asp?mid=72O7dii > >Genealogy Research area in UK and surnames: >Ripley, Codnor, Derbyshire: Brown, Brindley, Buxton, Evans, Gill, Grainger, >Matkin, Oliver, Stanley, Wilson >Sholing, Hampshire: Gilbert, Hinton, How, Parker, Read >Regards, >Harold J. (Jack) Murray >Kansas City, Missouri > > > > >............................................. >Want to contact the local community? >Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >............................................. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Going by several entries in records etc and also on documents seen the favourite is what Charani has stated Onwards, but there are several cases where I find "no onw" so that one has me puzzled! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Question on birth registration index Harold Murray wrote: > Hi all, > > I wonder if someone can tell me what the (date Onw) means? > Example: > District: Portsmouth (1900 Onw) > > This has had me perplexed for a while. I would have said that it meant Onwards. Where did you see the abbreviation? -- Charani (UK) ............................................. Want to contact the local community? Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk ............................................. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000723-0, 03/11/2007 Tested on: 3/12/2007 2:14:02 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

Thank you I will try that Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Simpson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Obtaining Photocopies of Items from HRO

Harold Murray wrote: > Hi all, > > I wonder if someone can tell me what the (date Onw) means? > Example: > District: Portsmouth (1900 Onw) > > This has had me perplexed for a while. I would have said that it meant Onwards. Where did you see the abbreviation? -- Charani (UK)

My guess would be 'onwards', it might be wrong Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Murray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Question on birth registration index > Hi all, > > I wonder if someone can tell me what the (date Onw) means? > Example: > District: Portsmouth (1900 Onw) > > This has had me perplexed for a while. > > Thank you, > > P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy > program can be downloaded FREE at > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Index.asp?mid=72O7dii > > Genealogy Research area in UK and surnames: > Ripley, Codnor, Derbyshire: Brown, Brindley, Buxton, Evans, Gill, > Grainger, > Matkin, Oliver, Stanley, Wilson > Sholing, Hampshire: Gilbert, Hinton, How, Parker, Read > Regards, > Harold J. (Jack) Murray > Kansas City, Missouri > > > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/713 - Release Date: 07/03/2007 > 09:24 >

Hi List, This email is triggered by a number of emails recently asking for help with identifying parents of individuals. The appearance of indexed census returns on the web in recent years appears to be encouraging new researchers to take short cuts with their family history - in short - anything but pay for a certified birth or marriage certificate. I come from the "old school" of researchers, whereby you found and purchased certificates and then confirmed or enhanced your findings with census information. Whilst in many cases it can now be done the other way round, I still believe that the original method of researching is robust and can save time and grief in the long run. The certificates are legal documents - the census is not. What is reported on a birth certificate is usually fact - what is reported to a census enumerator could be a long stretch of the imagination. I have come across a number of people recently who have researched an incorrect line of ascent, because they failed to purchase a certificate of birth to verify correct parentage. For example, on the census someone could be listed as a child of the head of household, whereas in reality they were the illegitimate child of the mother and not necessarily a child of the head of household. There is no need to buy certificates for everyone on your tree - few of us could afford that. However, it is essential to purchase the appropriate certificates for your direct line, and then use the census to confirm and add siblings and other relatives to the tree. Regards Sandra

Re the subject of purchasing certificates vs. depending only on the census Purchasing birth and marriage certificates has been invaluable for me, especially when one finds two or even three people with the same name and birth place etc. as one's ancestor! Verifying a parental connection has eliminated a lot of wasted time tracking down the wrong person!! Certificates are not cheap, but provides exactly what I need to know and often brings surprises - like another place of residence, a different father, and so on. Margot, USA --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---

I agree wholeheartedly with Sandra's statement regarding research. So many times now I have been contacted by people who say they are related but when I ask about documentation I am told well it's on the census! The census is a wonderful tool but Birth and Marriage certificates prove the link and help a researcher go forward (or backwards) with a family line. Carole....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <[email protected]> To: "ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:17 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Birth Certificates v Census > Hi List, > This email is triggered by a number of emails recently asking for help > with identifying parents of individuals. > > The appearance of indexed census returns on the web in recent years > appears to be encouraging new researchers to take short cuts with their > family history - in short - anything but pay for a certified birth or > marriage certificate. > > I come from the "old school" of researchers, whereby you found and > purchased certificates and then confirmed or enhanced your findings with > census information. Whilst in many cases it can now be done the other > way round, I still believe that the original method of researching is > robust and can save time and grief in the long run. The certificates > are legal documents - the census is not. What is reported on a birth > certificate is usually fact - what is reported to a census enumerator > could be a long stretch of the imagination. I have come across a number > of people recently who have researched an incorrect line of ascent, > because they failed to purchase a certificate of birth to verify correct > parentage. For example, on the census someone could be listed as a > child of the head of household, whereas in reality they were the > illegitimate child of the mother and not necessarily a child of the head > of household. > > There is no need to buy certificates for everyone on your tree - few of > us could afford that. However, it is essential to purchase the > appropriate certificates for your direct line, and then use the census > to confirm and add siblings and other relatives to the tree. > Regards > Sandra > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ed - the page before has been started as the census for Farleigh Wallop and then crossed out. The Cliddesden census then begins on the page your Elizabeth is on and, I believe, is a valid census page, albeit the enumerator has had to manually amend the page numbers. You will notice that the rest of the servants in the household on the facing page have not been 'struck through' so there is no reason to believe that Elizabeth's page is invalid. The crossing out on the previous page (Ancestry does not give access to this but Origins does) is very clear and bold and I would say that Lynda is correct in that the lines have shown through. Hope this helps to convince you! Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > Thanks to all who replied - both on and off list - to my request for help. > I'm still unsure whether or not to accept the information shown in the > census. However, Lynda's observation, that the crossing out looks as if > its > ghosted through from the previous page, is an interesting one, as is > Patricia's about the page numbers having being amended. Curiouser and > Curiouser, as Alice said. > > > > Thanks again > > > > Regards > > > > Ed >

Hi all, I wonder if someone can tell me what the (date Onw) means? Example: District: Portsmouth (1900 Onw) This has had me perplexed for a while. Thank you, P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy program can be downloaded FREE at http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Index.asp?mid=72O7dii Genealogy Research area in UK and surnames: Ripley, Codnor, Derbyshire: Brown, Brindley, Buxton, Evans, Gill, Grainger, Matkin, Oliver, Stanley, Wilson Sholing, Hampshire: Gilbert, Hinton, How, Parker, Read Regards, Harold J. (Jack) Murray Kansas City, Missouri