Not Kingsworthy but not that far away Fay .......The war memorial in the churchyard records the men of Itchen Abbas who gave their lives in the world wars. Some of them can be traced through the documentation. William Vokes, for example, died from fever in a Turkish prison. He was the son of David Vokes, master miller, of Itchen Abbas Mill....... http://www.southernlife.org.uk/itchach4.htm AVINGTON BURIALS 1944 Plot No 560 Lewis William Vokes 1961 Plot No 581 Daisy Eleanor May Vokes of Itchen Abbas http://www.southernlife.org.uk/avinburi.htm Chris SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://Southernlife.org.uk History of the Hampshire, Dorset and IOW Villages,Towns and Churches ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fay Dobos" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 11:25 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Allen/Vokes Hello Listers, I wonder if someone out there may help please. I am searching for the birth and marr date of Mary ALLEN it may be in Kings worthy. She married Michael Harris VOKES when? Their first child was Edward born 1844 and 2nd child Fred Michael born 1846 I have Michael's brother Richard married to Jane ALLEN in Kingsworthy abt 1833 Also could these two women be sisters. Regards Fay Dobos NZ ............................................. Want to contact the local community? Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk ............................................. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000736-2, 04/26/2007 Tested on: 4/29/2007 12:25:21 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

Hello Fay, Michael Harris VOKES & Mary ALLEN were married in the March 1/4 of 1844. GRO ref 7/309 (Winchester &c) Regards Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay, N Wales -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fay Dobos Sent: 28 April 2007 23:26 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Allen/Vokes Hello Listers, I wonder if someone out there may help please. I am searching for the birth and marr date of Mary ALLEN it may be in Kings worthy. She married Michael Harris VOKES when? Their first child was Edward born 1844 and 2nd child Fred Michael born 1846 I have Michael's brother Richard married to Jane ALLEN in Kingsworthy abt 1833 Also could these two women be sisters. Regards Fay Dobos NZ ............................................. Want to contact the local community? Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk ............................................. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes you are right Sandra I did not put that bit in which was correct!! It was just that the gist of the question was about shoemakers and bootmakers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Shoemakers, Bootmakers and Cordwainders Hi Chris & Caroline, I always understood that a Cordwainer was a worker of Cordovan leather who made all sorts of leather articles from that material, not just shoes. It came to be used as another term for a shoemaker, but in fact was far more highly skilled job. Regards Sandra Chris & Caroline wrote: >You question on Shoe and Boot makers reminded me of this David >as a Corwainer was a shoemaker [not bootmaker] who made shoes out of new >Cordovan Spanish Leather while a cobbler >cobbled shoes from USED leather! > >Chris

Sandra You're correct. Cordwainers worked primarily with Cordovan Spanish leather and produced not only shoes but other objects from Cordovan leather, such as leather bottles. However, over time the term became synonymous with shoemaking in general. Regards Ed -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sandra J Smith Sent: 27 April 2007 23:20 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Shoemakers, Bootmakers and Cordwainders Hi Chris & Caroline, I always understood that a Cordwainer was a worker of Cordovan leather who made all sorts of leather articles from that material, not just shoes. It came to be used as another term for a shoemaker, but in fact was far more highly skilled job. Regards Sandra

Hi Chris & Caroline, I always understood that a Cordwainer was a worker of Cordovan leather who made all sorts of leather articles from that material, not just shoes. It came to be used as another term for a shoemaker, but in fact was far more highly skilled job. Regards Sandra Chris & Caroline wrote: >You question on Shoe and Boot makers reminded me of this David >as a Corwainer was a shoemaker [not bootmaker] who made shoes out of new >Cordovan Spanish Leather while a cobbler >cobbled shoes from USED leather! > >Chris > > >"Joe he was a young cordwangler, >Monging greebles did he go; >And he loved a bogler's daughter >By the name of Chiswick Flo. > >Vain she was and like a grusset, >And her gander-parts were fine; >But she sneered at Joe's cordwangle >As it hung upon the line. > >So he stole a woggler's moolie >For to make a wedding-ring, >But the Bow Street Runners caught him >And the judge said 'You will swing!' > >Oh, they hung him by the postern, >Nailed his moolies to the fence - >For to warn all young cordwanglers >That it was a grave offence. > >There's a moral to this story, >Though your gander-parts be poor - >Keep your hands off others' moolies, >For it is against the Law. >__________________ > > >............................................. >Want to contact the local community? >Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >............................................. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

You question on Shoe and Boot makers reminded me of this David as a Corwainer was a shoemaker [not bootmaker] who made shoes out of new Cordovan Spanish Leather while a cobbler cobbled shoes from USED leather! Chris "Joe he was a young cordwangler, Monging greebles did he go; And he loved a bogler's daughter By the name of Chiswick Flo. Vain she was and like a grusset, And her gander-parts were fine; But she sneered at Joe's cordwangle As it hung upon the line. So he stole a woggler's moolie For to make a wedding-ring, But the Bow Street Runners caught him And the judge said 'You will swing!' Oh, they hung him by the postern, Nailed his moolies to the fence - For to warn all young cordwanglers That it was a grave offence. There's a moral to this story, Though your gander-parts be poor - Keep your hands off others' moolies, For it is against the Law. __________________

Hi Rachel I have an Elizabeth Mary ALLEY who married William CLARKE Dec Qtr 1860 at All Saints, Newchurch IOW ENG. William was born in Tisbury/Semley? Wiltshire abt 1836 (I don't have his parents' names.) They had several children on IOW before moving back to the mainland. In 1901 they were living in Alverstoke. I don't have any more information on the family as yet. Please write off-list if there is any connection. Best wishes Sandra

Hi As a boy during the 1940/50s, growing up in Ryde, I spent a lot of time on Ryde Pier. I remember there being a large hut on the left hand side of the pier head (as you walked seaward) painted white and bearing a sign 'HM Customs & Excise' either to the side of or above the door. I am now, 50 years or so later, in the process of constructing a web site - www.hm-waterguard.org.uk - about the uniformed service of HM Customs & Excise and would like to hear from anyone who has information about the Customs & Excise hut on Ryde Pier - when it was constructed, when it was taken out of use, what it was used for, how it was staffed etc, and it's relationship to the Customs Offices in Cowes, Portsmouth Harbour and Southampton Dock. I would also like to hear from anybody who has ancestors who were employed prior to 1972, as Customs Officers in Ryde, in other parts of the Island or even on the mainland! Depending on the dates of the Officers employment he could have been described as either a Coastguard, a Boatman, a Preventive Officer (or Assistant Preventive Officer), a Surveyor, a Tide Waiter, a Waterguard Officer or a Customs Officer. Good Huntin' ;-) Trevor Tomasin Primarily researching - BANTON - BULL - COLLIS - LEAVERS - HOPKINS - MOODY - PURCHASE - TOMASIN - VINCENT - but always with an interest in derivatives, spouses and their siblings - and all part of 'The TOMASIN Family History Project' - www.tomasin.org.uk/genealogy Were your ancestors, or are your living relatives even, Customs Officers? Then visit the HM Waterguard web site - www.hm-waterguard.org.uk This e-mail, and any attachments to it, have been automatically checked for 'nasties' by Zone Labs' ZoneAlarm 6.

Not sure if it was what you wanted but found quite a few of mine via that one Chris SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://Southernlife.org.uk History of the Hampshire, Dorset and IOW Villages,Towns and Churches ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Isle of Wight Parish Records Thank you Chris for supplying that address. Sandra Researching ALLEY, CLARKE, WINSOR,(Alverstoke, Gosport IOW areas) GOODYEAR(St Mary Bourne) in Hampshire ............................................. Want to contact the local community? Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk ............................................. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000736-2, 04/26/2007 Tested on: 4/26/2007 4:17:05 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

Thank you Chris for supplying that address. Sandra Researching ALLEY, CLARKE, WINSOR,(Alverstoke, Gosport IOW areas) GOODYEAR(St Mary Bourne) in Hampshire

> > From: Sandy <[email protected]> > Date: 2007/04/26 Thu PM 12:36:25 BST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Isle of Wight Parish Records > > Thank you Chris for supplying that address. > > Sandra > > Researching ALLEY, CLARKE, WINSOR,(Alverstoke, Gosport IOW areas) > GOODYEAR(St Mary Bourne) in Hampshire > Hi Sandra I just saw your posting and was wondering about the Clarkes you are researching in IOW, as I have Clarkes in those areas in my family. Would be interested to see if there are any links Rachel

There used to be a free online site of Isle of Wight BMDs (I have found some of my people on it). This site was similar to CheshireBMD, LancashireBMD etc. Now I can't find it any more? Can anyone explain, please? Or give me the right address? Thanks Sandra

Try http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/bmd/start.htm Goes back to 1837 Put in your surname and click on search Also Local BMD - Sites with indexes based on original Register Office Records On this page you will find links to all the county sites that offer on-line transcribed indexes to the original records held by the local register offices. Searching these records should be your first choice. If the county that you are interested in does not have their local BMD records on-line yet or the data has not been transcribed yet, then try entering your names of interest in the search box at the bottom of this page. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php?form_action=local chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Isle of Wight Parish Records There used to be a free online site of Isle of Wight BMDs (I have found some of my people on it). This site was similar to CheshireBMD, LancashireBMD etc. Now I can't find it any more? Can anyone explain, please? Or give me the right address? Thanks Sandra ............................................. Want to contact the local community? Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk ............................................. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000736-0, 04/25/2007 Tested on: 4/26/2007 12:44:34 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

Many thanks to all who have contacted me on and off list about parish records for the IOW. I have just joined the IOW FHS online, and hope that this might help the cause. Best regards Kevin Walker Normandy, France ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan McGowan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Isle of Wight Parish Records > The Isle of Wight Record Office has a card index of all baptisms, > marriages, > and burials on the Island 1539-1900. If you send a message to the Isle of > Wight List, I am sure someone will do a look-up for you. See > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ISLE-OF-WIGHT.html > > Also, the LDS have filmed many Isle of Wight registers. > Alan McGowan > Hampshire/IOW Family History http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Walker" <[email protected]> > To: "Hampshire List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:34 AM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Isle of Wight Parish Records > > Can anyone tell me please if parish records exist for the IOW, other than > at > a Records Office? Does anyone know of lists for sale on CD or paper? I'm > looking for a single person at present; a John Oborn(e), born about 1804. > > I thought someone on this might know the score, but can easily join the > IOW > list if need be. > > Many thanks > Kevin Walker > France > > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alan I can try the RO, thanks. Can't do much about the LDS. Here in France I'm more than an hour from their nearest Centre, which only opens by appointment. That's more hassle than it's worth for me. Best regards Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan McGowan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Isle of Wight Parish Records > The Isle of Wight Record Office has a card index of all baptisms, > marriages, > and burials on the Island 1539-1900. If you send a message to the Isle of > Wight List, I am sure someone will do a look-up for you. See > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ISLE-OF-WIGHT.html > > Also, the LDS have filmed many Isle of Wight registers. > Alan McGowan > Hampshire/IOW Family History http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Walker" <[email protected]> > To: "Hampshire List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:34 AM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Isle of Wight Parish Records > > Can anyone tell me please if parish records exist for the IOW, other than > at > a Records Office? Does anyone know of lists for sale on CD or paper? I'm > looking for a single person at present; a John Oborn(e), born about 1804. > > I thought someone on this might know the score, but can easily join the > IOW > list if need be. > > Many thanks > Kevin Walker > France > > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try this site Kevin. http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/heloffer.htm Regards Jenny >From: "Kevin Walker" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: "Hampshire List" <[email protected]> >Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Isle of Wight Parish Records >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:34:29 +0100 > >Can anyone tell me please if parish records exist for the IOW, other than >at >a Records Office? Does anyone know of lists for sale on CD or paper? I'm >looking for a single person at present; a John Oborn(e), born about 1804. > >I thought someone on this might know the score, but can easily join the IOW >list if need be. > >Many thanks >Kevin Walker >France > > >............................................. >Want to contact the local community? >Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >............................................. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Join the millions of Australians using Live Search. Try live.com.au http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=740&referral=million&URL=http://live.com.au

As a few people asked for photos I went to Marchwood today to get photos of Liberty of the Seas the largest ship in the World and Ocean Village2 and as a lot of you asked for photos they can be seen at http://herforder-association.org.uk/ships.htm click on the thumbnail and bring up the full size pic If you want a copy of any of them Download them at your leisure as they are full size around 2Mb each Chris

The Isle of Wight Record Office has a card index of all baptisms, marriages, and burials on the Island 1539-1900. If you send a message to the Isle of Wight List, I am sure someone will do a look-up for you. See http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ISLE-OF-WIGHT.html Also, the LDS have filmed many Isle of Wight registers. Alan McGowan Hampshire/IOW Family History http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Walker" <[email protected]> To: "Hampshire List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Isle of Wight Parish Records Can anyone tell me please if parish records exist for the IOW, other than at a Records Office? Does anyone know of lists for sale on CD or paper? I'm looking for a single person at present; a John Oborn(e), born about 1804. I thought someone on this might know the score, but can easily join the IOW list if need be. Many thanks Kevin Walker France

Hi All, Would anyone have the cd of this directory or know if it is on line- I am interested to see if there are any Mortimer/Mortimore's listed. TIA Regards Jenny _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Meet Sexy Singles today at Lavalife - Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D27783&_t=762229680&_r=lavalife_apr07_meetsexysingles&_m=EXT

Hi Sandra Thanks for the suggestion. I've had a look at the PRT website, and at Parish Chest. I could buy the full set for £25 or just those CDs that feature the IOW (there are 6, and they'd probably cost about £25 anyway). The problem I have is that I have no idea which parish John was born in, and I've only got the census records to say that he was born on the IOW. Perhaps someone has a lookup service. I'll wait a few days to see what other responses I get, and then consider these CDs. Thanks for your input. Regards Kevin France ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Isle of Wight Parish Records > Hi Kevin, > Besides the Phillimore Hampshire Marriages which can be downloaded free > from Genuki (some IOW parishes), the only other source I have found on > CD at the Parish Register Transcription Society: http://www.prtsoc.org.uk/ > They sell CD's of Transcriptions made by Hackman of the BT's (1780 > onwards, but some missing years). You can buy the whole series or part > series on CD. > Quite useful although you need a bit of care with the missing years and > bear in mind this is a transcription of a contempary copy of the parish > registers - and they are NOT indexed so have to be searched manually. > Regards > Sandra > > > Kevin Walker wrote: > >>Can anyone tell me please if parish records exist for the IOW, other than >>at >>a Records Office? Does anyone know of lists for sale on CD or paper? I'm >>looking for a single person at present; a John Oborn(e), born about 1804. >> >>I thought someone on this might know the score, but can easily join the >>IOW >>list if need be. >> >>Many thanks >>Kevin Walker >>France >> >> >>............................................. >>Want to contact the local community? >>Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >>http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >>............................................. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message