Hello all Today we have uploaded as follows: BROCKENHURST BAPTISMS 1597 - 1716 BROCKENHURST MARRIAGES 1629 - 1716 BROCKENHURST BURIALS 1596 - 1716 All transcribed by John Rose - great effort John! You can check on these and all of the other transcriptions FREE online at www.knightroots.co.uk and click on Online Transcriptions. We are always looking for donations of transcriptions or microfiche, village histories and photographs (must be your own copyright)or of course, volunteer transcribers. Contact hampshireopc@btinternet.com for details. To find an entry, either use the CTRL+Find on an individual parish page - or use the site search engine on the left hand navigation pane. Take care Linda & Tony Hampshire OPC Co-ordinators

I wonder if anyone is able to check this marriage for me please. On IGI it is Leah LUTHER m William WASEN 18 Dec 1764 at Christchurch (extracted). However, on the Hants marriage CD he is William WAREN. WASEN would make a lot more sense as far as my theories go ! Francis Auckland, NZ

Can anyone confirm that Christchurch Independent would have been a non-conformist church ? I have a burial "01 Apr 1818 Wossen - Mrs Aged 78 Christchurch Independent" which appears to be a key to my elusive WOSSEN family. If non-conformist it would explain why I've never been able to find any WOSSEN baptisms in the usual places. "Mrs Wossen" may be Leah LUTHER bap 28 dec 1739, father Martin LUTHER. She married William WASEN 18 Dec 1764 at Christchurch. Francis Auckland, NZ

Could be the same clerk or son of! Ha! ha! Chris . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francis Payne" <francisp@xtra.co.nz> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Meaning of SOJOURNER >I also thought it could be WATSON but the fact that there is a later > marriage spelt WOZZEN suggests the latter was, in fact, how it was > pronounced. > > Francis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris & Caroline" <crhayles@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:00 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Meaning of SOJOURNER > > >> Mispelling of Watson by a illiterate clerk? >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> . >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Francis Payne" <francisp@xtra.co.nz> >> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 2:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Meaning of SOJOURNER >> >> >>> Yes, if you look on IGI for "Wossen" London does crop up. >>> >>> However, if you search for "Wasson" you get a lot more, so the soundex >>> for >>> this name isn't reliable. >>> >>> I'm now trying to think of all the phoenetic possibilities for this name >>> and >>> need to try them one by one on IGI. What a performance ! >>> >>> (Chances are I won't come up with the obvious one). >>> >>> Francis >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "dubhda2" <david.dowd@btinternet.com> >>> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Meaning of SOJOURNER >>> >>> >>>> Hi Francis, >>>> I just wonder if Wassen is a variation on Wasson (name appearing in >>>> London >>>> 1881-1998) - which is from Old Northern French Wace, so possibly >>>> unconnected. >>>> >>>> There are no Wosens or Wossens in this year's Southampton/Winchester >>>> 'phone >>>> book, nor in Leicester University's library of commercial directories >>>> 1760-1920. >>>> >>>> There was a family of Wossens in Wiltshire 1898 (and a Wossencraft). >>>> 1 >>>> family of Wosens lived in Pennsylvania in 1920 (and 1 of Wossen in >>>> next-door >>>> New York State) - but the names can have separate Ethiopian and Middle >>>> Eastern origins so these are maybe irrelevant. >>>> >>>> Regards, David >>>> >>>> >>>> ............................................. >>>> Want to contact the local community? >>>> Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >>>> http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >>>> ............................................. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ............................................. >>> Want to contact the local community? >>> Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >>> http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >>> ............................................. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ............................................. >> Want to contact the local community? >> Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >> http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >> ............................................. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Francis One thing not really highlighted in these discussions is the role of Settlement Certificates. Although not impossible it was very unlikely that anyone "crept back in" to a parish unnoticed. If they had they could be removed within 40 days. After 1697 when someone came into a parish they had to give notice, they couldn't just "sneak in". Taking a chance on finding employment just by showing up was a very risky business. Unless one had a home to live in and was paying taxes to the parish, the only option open to the masses was to be sponsored by an employer. However, most employers avoided burdening themselves or their home parish by hiring workers at Hiring Fairs for less than a complete year. Unless the employee was particularly good (and healthy) this was normal practice as settlement would only be granted after a full year had been completed. Settlement Certificates by the way were not issued lightly by the home parish, especially for distant parishes, as it was the issuing parish that was liable for the cost of carrying out a removal order, not the parish that issued the order. Obviously it didn't cost too much to have a parishioner returned from a neighbouring parish, usually a very short cart ride, but across many parishes the costs could be relatively considerable (due to turnpike costs). I suspect if you have found someone with 2 removal orders they were due to unfortunate circumstances. I would imagine that the head of the family was considered a good employee, but perhaps due to circumstances beyond his control such as his employer falling on hard times had to be removed. The same employer may then have sponsored him again in better times only for the same thing to happen. A settlement certificate for a Milton parishioner to settle in Hilton would have to have been considered very carefully by the good folk of Milton. Hope this helps Jon Baker -----Original Message----- Thanks for this and also to Vanessa and Jim for their thoughts. Gives me something definite to work on. Francis ----- Original Message ----- > Probably crept back again .Mine had by the next census & managed to stay > Ann >

Thanks for this and also to Vanessa and Jim for their thoughts. Gives me something definite to work on. Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Day" <ann.day@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Removal Orders - same people twice ! > Probably crept back again .Mine had by the next census & managed to stay > Ann > > Francis Payne wrote: >> The Hants RO CALM database has these two removal orders. Any idea how >> someone could be removed twice ? Perhaps they successfully appealed the >> first one. >> >> Any thoughts welcome. >> >> Francis >> Auckland, NZ >> >> >> 56M83/PO27/47 Removal order to Milton: John Adams, wife Mary, 4 children >> 1753 from Hilton, Dorset >> >> 56M83/PO27/48 Removal order to Milton: John Adams, wife Mary, 5 children >> 1759 from Hilton, Dorset >> >> >> ............................................. >> Want to contact the local community? >> Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >> http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >> ............................................. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I also thought it could be WATSON but the fact that there is a later marriage spelt WOZZEN suggests the latter was, in fact, how it was pronounced. Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Caroline" <crhayles@btinternet.com> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Meaning of SOJOURNER > Mispelling of Watson by a illiterate clerk? > Chris > > > > > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francis Payne" <francisp@xtra.co.nz> > To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Meaning of SOJOURNER > > >> Yes, if you look on IGI for "Wossen" London does crop up. >> >> However, if you search for "Wasson" you get a lot more, so the soundex >> for >> this name isn't reliable. >> >> I'm now trying to think of all the phoenetic possibilities for this name >> and >> need to try them one by one on IGI. What a performance ! >> >> (Chances are I won't come up with the obvious one). >> >> Francis >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "dubhda2" <david.dowd@btinternet.com> >> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Meaning of SOJOURNER >> >> >>> Hi Francis, >>> I just wonder if Wassen is a variation on Wasson (name appearing in >>> London >>> 1881-1998) - which is from Old Northern French Wace, so possibly >>> unconnected. >>> >>> There are no Wosens or Wossens in this year's Southampton/Winchester >>> 'phone >>> book, nor in Leicester University's library of commercial directories >>> 1760-1920. >>> >>> There was a family of Wossens in Wiltshire 1898 (and a Wossencraft). 1 >>> family of Wosens lived in Pennsylvania in 1920 (and 1 of Wossen in >>> next-door >>> New York State) - but the names can have separate Ethiopian and Middle >>> Eastern origins so these are maybe irrelevant. >>> >>> Regards, David >>> >>> >>> ............................................. >>> Want to contact the local community? >>> Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >>> http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >>> ............................................. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ............................................. >> Want to contact the local community? >> Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >> http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >> ............................................. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Any advice on tracking someone who was born at Fort Cumberland? GGGgrandfather James Hannan(Hannon) baptised at St Mary's, Portsea on 24 May 1793. trying to track down the parents John and Rebecca Hannan (Hannon) possibly a Royal Marine. Have come to a complete standstill because I am unable to visit the Royal Marine Museum/archives. Any help would be grateful. Cyndy Hannan Queensland, Australia

Yes, if you look on IGI for "Wossen" London does crop up. However, if you search for "Wasson" you get a lot more, so the soundex for this name isn't reliable. I'm now trying to think of all the phoenetic possibilities for this name and need to try them one by one on IGI. What a performance ! (Chances are I won't come up with the obvious one). Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: "dubhda2" <david.dowd@btinternet.com> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Meaning of SOJOURNER > Hi Francis, > I just wonder if Wassen is a variation on Wasson (name appearing in London > 1881-1998) - which is from Old Northern French Wace, so possibly > unconnected. > > There are no Wosens or Wossens in this year's Southampton/Winchester > 'phone > book, nor in Leicester University's library of commercial directories > 1760-1920. > > There was a family of Wossens in Wiltshire 1898 (and a Wossencraft). 1 > family of Wosens lived in Pennsylvania in 1920 (and 1 of Wossen in > next-door > New York State) - but the names can have separate Ethiopian and Middle > Eastern origins so these are maybe irrelevant. > > Regards, David > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert, I am descended from the large AYRES/EYRES family of Gypsies, who frequented Hampshire and adjoining counties. I have more than 400 baptisms for the family, plus many other entries, mainly in Hampshire and Surrey. There were certainly AYRES/EYRES Gypsies in Dorset, but I only have a few baptisms and census entries in the county. Are you able to check entries at the Dorset Record Office? Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hillier" <robert@hillieruk.demon.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Eyres in Hampshire >> I shan't take you up on your very kind offer of furnishing details of other Hampshire EYRES events since, even by limiting my project to Dorset, unscrambling the EYRES lines there is already a mammoth task and adding Hampshire would be definitely ott. >>

Thanks again. An outstanding explanation of the situation. It is the first time I've seen anyone mention how the family were actually removed - my Adams with 4, and later, 5 children obviously required a biggish cart ! As you say, the scheme is not that far removed from the current system, apart from the fact that it did vary from parish to parish. Very interesting indeed. Hope this discussion has been of interest to others as well. Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firebird" <sparrer@gmail.com> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Removal Orders - same people twice ! > Francis Payne wrote: > >> A few queries: >> >> How were they able to come back - did they need permission or just went >> anyway ? > > They just went. If they needed permission, it wouldn't have been > granted because they'd already been removed once. > >> How were removal orders physically enforced if people didn't want to go ? > > The family were put in a cart along with their possessions such as > they might have been and taken back to their own parish. It didn't > matter if they didn't want to go. There was a legal court order for > their removal. End of subject. > > If a family was a charge on the parish, then the overseers would have > paid their rent, paid for fuel for cooking and heating, paid for the > clothes on their backs, bedding, repairs to or new shoes and given > them an allowance for food, plus paid for any medical care necessary. > Over a year that could amount to a lot of money and the overseers > only had a limited amount to disperse, just what they could raise from > anyone liable for poor rates. > > Therefore they wouldn't want to pay for a family who had become a > charge to the parish if that family didn't belong to them. A family > could stay if their parish of origin was willing to pay for them and > sent the money to the parish where the family was resident. If the > parish of origin wasn't willing to do that, then out the family went. > >> Were people removed to their original parish ? > > Yes. Families who were not from their parish of residence were > examined before magistrates and any claims were checked. It could be > quite a costly business so it wouldn't have been undertaken lightly. > > I have seen one instance where the head of a family was temporarily > out of work and his parish of residence supported him even though he > was not from that parish. The head of the family was only in receipt > of parish relief for a couple of months before finding work again. > Sometimes the overseers would employ someone who would otherwise be on > parish relief. > > Reading the poor laws books gives a very good insight into what life > was like in a village. You'll find that the parish relief scheme was > not so very far removed from our modern unemployment scheme. In some > ways it was actually better than today's but it did vary from place to > place and from one set of appointed overseers to he next. > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Robert, it needs a lot more done to it, more photos etc., but I have not been able to get out and about due to losing a leg and unable to drive, but now have a new automatic car I hope to get out and about more. Have you contacted Stephen Hillier on the list if you are researching HILLIER? http://www.afamilystory.co.uk/descendants.aspx?iid=i1778 Chris . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hillier" <robert@hillieruk.demon.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Eyres in Hampshire > Thanks Chris, and what an excellent website you have. The search engine > makes it even better. > Best wishes, > Robert > >>>>>>>>>>>.................see my website > http://www.southernlife.org.uk/eling.htm under MEMORIES OF TOTTON AND > TESTWOOD > AND if you put EYRES in the search engine on the opening page you will > find several pages featuring > EYRE and EYRES in various locations in the county > Chris > SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) > History of the villages of > Hampshire, Dorset and the Isle of Wight > http://southernlife.org.uk > > <<<<<<<<<<<<< > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that. So I presume the family just went back hoping nobody would notice ! Would you think that given twice sent back to Milton, that that was their original source? Or more correctly, the husband's origin at least ? Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firebird" <sparrer@gmail.com> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Removal Orders - same people twice ! > Francis Payne wrote: >> The Hants RO CALM database has these two removal orders. Any idea how >> someone could be removed twice ? Perhaps they successfully appealed the >> first one. > > You can't appeal a removal order once it's been proved that the parish > of residence is not the parish the person or persons belong to. > > What it means is that the family were removed but went back again so > had to be removed a second time. I've seen it happen in other > parishes elsewhere. > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK, that's interesting. That's exactly what I wondered, whether one parish or many, would you still be a sojourner ? Looking at the censuses from 1841, the "Wossen" name hardly exists anymore, anywhere in England, although "Wassen" is more plentiful. I found the marriage of the base-born Mary Wossen and it is "Wozzen" ! (See IGI and other sources). So the name is something of a "moveable feast" but at least we can work out how it was meant to sound. Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: "dubhda2" <david.dowd@btinternet.com> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Meaning of SOJOURNER > Hi Francis, > my guess is that Wossen is derived from a place-name, probably from > Woolston > (just across the River Itchen from Southampton [there are others]) - my > reason for saying this is that Wosencroft is definitely from > Woolstonecroft > [i.e., Wolstancroft]). > > You need only move one parish away to be regarded as a sojourner by the > parish authorities, ever-mindful of possible drains on the parish rates > (sojourners, rather than residents, could be returned to their birth > parish > if they turned out to be an expense). > > Old Milton was more than one parish away so qualifies well. New Milton > (1904) even further and Milton proper is in Soiuthampton. > > Regards, David > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know the literal meaning of the word, of course, and can see how it applies to parish record entries. However, does anyone have practical experience of how it was applied. For instance my 3g-grandparents marriage at Christchurch has: "John LANE m Elizabeth WOSSEN on 24 April 1808, John of Chch, she a sojourner" This WOSSEN name has got me puzzled. There is a Betty WOSEN who had a base-born daughter in Milton in 1802. Is nearby Milton far enough away for someone to be called a sojourner ? Francis Auckland, NZ

Probably crept back again .Mine had by the next census & managed to stay Ann Francis Payne wrote: > The Hants RO CALM database has these two removal orders. Any idea how > someone could be removed twice ? Perhaps they successfully appealed the > first one. > > Any thoughts welcome. > > Francis > Auckland, NZ > > > 56M83/PO27/47 Removal order to Milton: John Adams, wife Mary, 4 children > 1753 from Hilton, Dorset > > 56M83/PO27/48 Removal order to Milton: John Adams, wife Mary, 5 children > 1759 from Hilton, Dorset > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks Chris, and what an excellent website you have. The search engine makes it even better. Best wishes, Robert >>>>>>>>>>>.................see my website http://www.southernlife.org.uk/eling.htm under MEMORIES OF TOTTON AND TESTWOOD AND if you put EYRES in the search engine on the opening page you will find several pages featuring EYRE and EYRES in various locations in the county Chris SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) History of the villages of Hampshire, Dorset and the Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Thanks Paul and Lorraine for your suggestions. A few queries: How were they able to come back - did they need permission or just went anyway ? How were removal orders physically enforced if people didn't want to go ? Were people removed to their original parish ? If not, how was their destination decided ? Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Young" <paul.young@btinternet.com> To: <francisp@xtra.co.nz> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Removal Orders - same people twice ! > Quite simple really. They didn't like where they'd been removed to and > came back !! Removal orders were enforced if the people needed parish > financial support and were not of the parish where they were currently > residing. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francis Payne" <francisp@xtra.co.nz> > To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:50 AM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Removal Orders - same people twice ! > > >> The Hants RO CALM database has these two removal orders. Any idea how >> someone could be removed twice ? Perhaps they successfully appealed the >> first one. >> >> Any thoughts welcome. >> >> Francis >> Auckland, NZ >> >> >> 56M83/PO27/47 Removal order to Milton: John Adams, wife Mary, 4 children >> 1753 from Hilton, Dorset >> >> 56M83/PO27/48 Removal order to Milton: John Adams, wife Mary, 5 children >> 1759 from Hilton, Dorset >> >> >> ............................................. >> Want to contact the local community? >> Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >> http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >> ............................................. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Mispelling of Watson by a illiterate clerk? Chris . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francis Payne" <francisp@xtra.co.nz> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Meaning of SOJOURNER > Yes, if you look on IGI for "Wossen" London does crop up. > > However, if you search for "Wasson" you get a lot more, so the soundex for > this name isn't reliable. > > I'm now trying to think of all the phoenetic possibilities for this name > and > need to try them one by one on IGI. What a performance ! > > (Chances are I won't come up with the obvious one). > > Francis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dubhda2" <david.dowd@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:08 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Meaning of SOJOURNER > > >> Hi Francis, >> I just wonder if Wassen is a variation on Wasson (name appearing in >> London >> 1881-1998) - which is from Old Northern French Wace, so possibly >> unconnected. >> >> There are no Wosens or Wossens in this year's Southampton/Winchester >> 'phone >> book, nor in Leicester University's library of commercial directories >> 1760-1920. >> >> There was a family of Wossens in Wiltshire 1898 (and a Wossencraft). 1 >> family of Wosens lived in Pennsylvania in 1920 (and 1 of Wossen in >> next-door >> New York State) - but the names can have separate Ethiopian and Middle >> Eastern origins so these are maybe irrelevant. >> >> Regards, David >> >> >> ............................................. >> Want to contact the local community? >> Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >> http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >> ............................................. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

there is one Wossams - 1Wossen - 1 Wosson listed in TheFamily History Onlines website run by the Federation of Family History Societies. You need to register but it may help. And Haile Selassie had a son Crown Prince Asfa-Wossen!! Chris . ----- Original Message ----- From: "dubhda2" <david.dowd@btinternet.com> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Meaning of SOJOURNER > Hi Francis, > I just wonder if Wassen is a variation on Wasson (name appearing in London > 1881-1998) - which is from Old Northern French Wace, so possibly > unconnected. > > There are no Wosens or Wossens in this year's Southampton/Winchester > 'phone > book, nor in Leicester University's library of commercial directories > 1760-1920. > > There was a family of Wossens in Wiltshire 1898 (and a Wossencraft). 1 > family of Wosens lived in Pennsylvania in 1920 (and 1 of Wossen in > next-door > New York State) - but the names can have separate Ethiopian and Middle > Eastern origins so these are maybe irrelevant. > > Regards, David > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message