Hi list Just transcribed the 1855 Will of my 3rd g grandfather, James HINES, a bricklayer, who lived in Frater Lane Elson, Gosport. It's amazing! He owned about 9 properties in Elson & Hardway area, all with tenants, left to various children, (or if they had died, to their children) apart from the youngest son George who was not mentioned at all in the Will, odd as he was about 30 at the time, and had been living at home until he married Ann PEARMAN in 1854. Surnames of tenants were MARKES, NICHOLSON, HOPPER, HUTCHINS, WINHALL, LALLAWAY, COMPTON, SEYMOUR, & LEANE, in case some one can connect with these names. My queries are how did a bricklayer accumulate so many properties in that era - any ideas? why was George left off the Will (we have his Will & he left property to various nephews) where is Alder's Lane, in the parish of Alverstoke I can't find it in the 1851 Census All advice/help appreciated Rita

Dear Rita, I have just read "Wills Before 1858" by Eve McLaughlin in which she says that sons were not usually left off the will, even after disputes, because they might come back and contest the will. Could he have done that? Although an errant son was usually left one shilling (cut off with a shilling) to prevent him doing so. So could he have already received his portion? Alternatively, if the parents disapproved of the marriage they sometimes cut them off. As to the "bricklayer", my MOOREs are described as such on censuses, sometimes master bricklayers, but I am reliably informed they owned their own building companies. Incidentally, I have HYNES in Portsmouth in my COURTNELL tree. Best wishes, Sally. -----Original Message----- From: Rita Newton [mailto:newton.r@tesco.net] Sent: 27 August 2005 18:48 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] James HINES Will 1855 & info within Hi list Just transcribed the 1855 Will of my 3rd g grandfather, James HINES, a bricklayer, who lived in Frater Lane Elson, Gosport. It's amazing! He owned about 9 properties in Elson & Hardway area, all with tenants, left to various children, (or if they had died, to their children) apart from the youngest son George who was not mentioned at all in the Will, odd as he was about 30 at the time, and had been living at home until he married Ann PEARMAN in 1854. Surnames of tenants were MARKES, NICHOLSON, HOPPER, HUTCHINS, WINHALL, LALLAWAY, COMPTON, SEYMOUR, & LEANE, in case some one can connect with these names. My queries are how did a bricklayer accumulate so many properties in that era - any ideas? why was George left off the Will (we have his Will & he left property to various nephews) where is Alder's Lane, in the parish of Alverstoke I can't find it in the 1851 Census All advice/help appreciated Rita ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Don't go barking up the wrong tree be like a good chef and ALWAYS check your SOURCES ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005

Hi Rita I think we often make this mistake, I know I have, and understandably at times when we read the simple job descriptions given in the census etc. Like Sally I have mid 19th century rellies in the building trade, who were carpenters, but they were self employed and in later years went on to build up their own business, with one playing the church organ for all the hatches, matches and despatches etc., which may suggest that at least one was fairly well educated. When we visited immediately after WWII, the surviving spinster sisters, then in their eighties still lived in the large and rambling Victorian house that their parents had built and then extended as the family grew - ' twas said to be lovely in summer, but awfully draughty in winter..... very grand for a mere chippie ;-) I think we also forget that in the days before the enclosures, when even ag labs were able to raise a few pigs etc and have a decent sized plot of land on the common, the frugal were able to make small and regular savings. With the arrival of the enclosures etc. many frittered these savings away attempting to weather the resulting problems, whilst others were either lucky or wise and invested their money in property or a business and put those savings to work. Regards Paul On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:47:50 +0100, "Rita Newton" <newton.r@tesco.net> wrote: >Hi list >Just transcribed the 1855 Will of my 3rd g grandfather, James HINES, a bricklayer, who lived in Frater Lane Elson, Gosport. It's amazing! He owned about 9 properties in Elson & Hardway area, all with tenants, left to various children, (or if they had died, to their children) apart from the youngest son George who was not mentioned at all in the Will, odd as he was about 30 at the time, and had been living at home until he married Ann PEARMAN in 1854. > >Surnames of tenants were >MARKES, NICHOLSON, HOPPER, HUTCHINS, WINHALL, LALLAWAY, COMPTON, SEYMOUR, & LEANE, in case some one can connect with these names. > >My queries are >how did a bricklayer accumulate so many properties in that era - any ideas? >why was George left off the Will (we have his Will & he left property to various nephews) >where is Alder's Lane, in the parish of Alverstoke I can't find it in the 1851 Census > >All advice/help appreciated > >Rita > > > > > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Don't go barking up the wrong tree be like a good chef and ALWAYS check your SOURCES > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html