Hello again Leslie, It would seem that your lot often competed against my lot! In August 1866 during the Royal Albert Yacht Regatta, W.Passells in the 26ft. long "Duke", J.Passells in the 25 ft. long "Dispatch" and W.Grubb in the 34 ft. long "Robin Hood" took part in a race for sailing wherries. Result :- "Dispatch" came second, "Robin Hood" lost its sail and "Duke" finshed unplaced. Regards Ken Grubb ----- Original Message ----- From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > Hi Kenneth, you refer to The Hampshire Telegraph 19th c Newspaper articles > about Watermen. I wonder do you know of a free site or link to this > article? My PASSELLS family came from Portsea and Southampton and a few > of > them were Watermen. I would dearly love to find out if they are mentioned. > Lesley Mann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> > To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:02 PM > Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > > >> Hello, >> >> I recently consulted the Hampshire Telegraph of the 19thC and come across >> several references to members of my Portsea family, who were all >> watermen, >> taking part in various regattas held in Spithead off Southsea beach. In >> 1866, one was competing in a 34 ft. sailing wherry called "Robin Hood" >> which had its mainsail carried away during the race. >> >> I know the following:- >> >> 1. rowing wherries were open boats used predominantly to carry people and >> goods across the harbour and could be propelled by one to four oars >> depending on length, >> >> 2. sailing wherries were indigenous to the Norfolk Broads, were of >> shallow >> draught and had a collapsible mast to negotiate bridges. My Norfolk >> informant tells me that they were not particularly seaworthy. >> >> 3. I know that the South Coast sailing wherries did go to sea and one was >> intercepted off the French coast and suspected of smuggling so they were >> seaworthy. I assume that they were partly or wholly decked out. >> >> Can anybody tell me how these south coast sailing wherries differed from >> the Norfolk kind and whether they would have been built locally?? >> >> Regards >> >> Ken Grubb >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1382 - Release Date: > 16/04/2008 17:34 > >

Hi Ken, yes I read that, I also read quite a few other newspaper reports of certain activities concerning court actions etc. I love all that, it really brings the names you have written down to life doesn't it? I am sure I have a book about Portsmouth Watermen with photos in. I will have to have another look at it to see if your 'Grubb' folk are in there. Wouldn't it be great to get a photo of them. Regards Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > Hello again Leslie, > > It would seem that your lot often competed against my lot! > > In August 1866 during the Royal Albert Yacht Regatta, W.Passells in the > 26ft. long "Duke", J.Passells in the 25 ft. long "Dispatch" and W.Grubb in > the 34 ft. long "Robin Hood" took part in a race for sailing wherries. > > Result :- "Dispatch" came second, "Robin Hood" lost its sail and > "Duke" finshed unplaced. > > Regards > > Ken Grubb > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > > >> Hi Kenneth, you refer to The Hampshire Telegraph 19th c Newspaper >> articles >> about Watermen. I wonder do you know of a free site or link to this >> article? My PASSELLS family came from Portsea and Southampton and a few >> of >> them were Watermen. I would dearly love to find out if they are >> mentioned. >> Lesley Mann >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> >> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:02 PM >> Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I recently consulted the Hampshire Telegraph of the 19thC and come >>> across >>> several references to members of my Portsea family, who were all >>> watermen, >>> taking part in various regattas held in Spithead off Southsea beach. In >>> 1866, one was competing in a 34 ft. sailing wherry called "Robin Hood" >>> which had its mainsail carried away during the race. >>> >>> I know the following:- >>> >>> 1. rowing wherries were open boats used predominantly to carry people >>> and >>> goods across the harbour and could be propelled by one to four oars >>> depending on length, >>> >>> 2. sailing wherries were indigenous to the Norfolk Broads, were of >>> shallow >>> draught and had a collapsible mast to negotiate bridges. My Norfolk >>> informant tells me that they were not particularly seaworthy. >>> >>> 3. I know that the South Coast sailing wherries did go to sea and one >>> was >>> intercepted off the French coast and suspected of smuggling so they were >>> seaworthy. I assume that they were partly or wholly decked out. >>> >>> Can anybody tell me how these south coast sailing wherries differed from >>> the Norfolk kind and whether they would have been built locally?? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Ken Grubb >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1382 - Release Date: >> 16/04/2008 17:34 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

So you found all the court appearances as well did you? These watermen must have been a tough bunch but then life was hard and we don't appreciate just how hard it was. Still trying to find out what a South Coast sailing wherry was. All the evidence indicates that it was not a Broads sailing wherry, too shallow a draught. I've got Portsmouth Reference Library sending me some stuff so I will keep you posted. Regards Ken Grubb ----- Original Message ----- From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > Hi Ken, yes I read that, I also read quite a few other newspaper reports > of > certain activities concerning court actions etc. I love all that, it > really > brings the names you have written down to life doesn't it? I am sure I > have > a book about Portsmouth Watermen with photos in. I will have to have > another look at it to see if your 'Grubb' folk are in there. Wouldn't it > be > great to get a photo of them. > Regards Lesley > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> > To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > > >> Hello again Leslie, >> >> It would seem that your lot often competed against my lot! >> >> In August 1866 during the Royal Albert Yacht Regatta, W.Passells in the >> 26ft. long "Duke", J.Passells in the 25 ft. long "Dispatch" and W.Grubb >> in >> the 34 ft. long "Robin Hood" took part in a race for sailing wherries. >> >> Result :- "Dispatch" came second, "Robin Hood" lost its sail and >> "Duke" finshed unplaced. >> >> Regards >> >> Ken Grubb >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> >> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >> >> >>> Hi Kenneth, you refer to The Hampshire Telegraph 19th c Newspaper >>> articles >>> about Watermen. I wonder do you know of a free site or link to this >>> article? My PASSELLS family came from Portsea and Southampton and a few >>> of >>> them were Watermen. I would dearly love to find out if they are >>> mentioned. >>> Lesley Mann >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> >>> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:02 PM >>> Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I recently consulted the Hampshire Telegraph of the 19thC and come >>>> across >>>> several references to members of my Portsea family, who were all >>>> watermen, >>>> taking part in various regattas held in Spithead off Southsea beach. In >>>> 1866, one was competing in a 34 ft. sailing wherry called "Robin Hood" >>>> which had its mainsail carried away during the race. >>>> >>>> I know the following:- >>>> >>>> 1. rowing wherries were open boats used predominantly to carry people >>>> and >>>> goods across the harbour and could be propelled by one to four oars >>>> depending on length, >>>> >>>> 2. sailing wherries were indigenous to the Norfolk Broads, were of >>>> shallow >>>> draught and had a collapsible mast to negotiate bridges. My Norfolk >>>> informant tells me that they were not particularly seaworthy. >>>> >>>> 3. I know that the South Coast sailing wherries did go to sea and one >>>> was >>>> intercepted off the French coast and suspected of smuggling so they >>>> were >>>> seaworthy. I assume that they were partly or wholly decked out. >>>> >>>> Can anybody tell me how these south coast sailing wherries differed >>>> from >>>> the Norfolk kind and whether they would have been built locally?? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Ken Grubb >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1382 - Release Date: >>> 16/04/2008 17:34 >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: > 22/04/2008 15:51 > >

Hello Leslie, I have received an excellent article on the Spithead wherries. Would you care to let me have your e-mail address and I will send you copy off forum. Regards Ken Grubb ----- Original Message ----- From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > Hi Ken, yes I read that, I also read quite a few other newspaper reports > of > certain activities concerning court actions etc. I love all that, it > really > brings the names you have written down to life doesn't it? I am sure I > have > a book about Portsmouth Watermen with photos in. I will have to have > another look at it to see if your 'Grubb' folk are in there. Wouldn't it > be > great to get a photo of them. > Regards Lesley > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> > To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > > >> Hello again Leslie, >> >> It would seem that your lot often competed against my lot! >> >> In August 1866 during the Royal Albert Yacht Regatta, W.Passells in the >> 26ft. long "Duke", J.Passells in the 25 ft. long "Dispatch" and W.Grubb >> in >> the 34 ft. long "Robin Hood" took part in a race for sailing wherries. >> >> Result :- "Dispatch" came second, "Robin Hood" lost its sail and >> "Duke" finshed unplaced. >> >> Regards >> >> Ken Grubb >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> >> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >> >> >>> Hi Kenneth, you refer to The Hampshire Telegraph 19th c Newspaper >>> articles >>> about Watermen. I wonder do you know of a free site or link to this >>> article? My PASSELLS family came from Portsea and Southampton and a few >>> of >>> them were Watermen. I would dearly love to find out if they are >>> mentioned. >>> Lesley Mann >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> >>> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:02 PM >>> Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I recently consulted the Hampshire Telegraph of the 19thC and come >>>> across >>>> several references to members of my Portsea family, who were all >>>> watermen, >>>> taking part in various regattas held in Spithead off Southsea beach. In >>>> 1866, one was competing in a 34 ft. sailing wherry called "Robin Hood" >>>> which had its mainsail carried away during the race. >>>> >>>> I know the following:- >>>> >>>> 1. rowing wherries were open boats used predominantly to carry people >>>> and >>>> goods across the harbour and could be propelled by one to four oars >>>> depending on length, >>>> >>>> 2. sailing wherries were indigenous to the Norfolk Broads, were of >>>> shallow >>>> draught and had a collapsible mast to negotiate bridges. My Norfolk >>>> informant tells me that they were not particularly seaworthy. >>>> >>>> 3. I know that the South Coast sailing wherries did go to sea and one >>>> was >>>> intercepted off the French coast and suspected of smuggling so they >>>> were >>>> seaworthy. I assume that they were partly or wholly decked out. >>>> >>>> Can anybody tell me how these south coast sailing wherries differed >>>> from >>>> the Norfolk kind and whether they would have been built locally?? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Ken Grubb >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1382 - Release Date: >>> 16/04/2008 17:34 >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: > 22/04/2008 15:51 > >

Hi Ken Yes thanks that would be great, my e-mail is lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com Please note its Lesley not Leslie though. Best Wishes, Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > Hello Leslie, > > I have received an excellent article on the Spithead wherries. Would you > care to let me have your e-mail address and I will send you copy off > forum. > > Regards > > Ken Grubb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:37 PM > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > > >> Hi Ken, yes I read that, I also read quite a few other newspaper reports >> of >> certain activities concerning court actions etc. I love all that, it >> really >> brings the names you have written down to life doesn't it? I am sure I >> have >> a book about Portsmouth Watermen with photos in. I will have to have >> another look at it to see if your 'Grubb' folk are in there. Wouldn't it >> be >> great to get a photo of them. >> Regards Lesley >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> >> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >> >> >>> Hello again Leslie, >>> >>> It would seem that your lot often competed against my lot! >>> >>> In August 1866 during the Royal Albert Yacht Regatta, W.Passells in the >>> 26ft. long "Duke", J.Passells in the 25 ft. long "Dispatch" and W.Grubb >>> in >>> the 34 ft. long "Robin Hood" took part in a race for sailing wherries. >>> >>> Result :- "Dispatch" came second, "Robin Hood" lost its sail and >>> "Duke" finshed unplaced. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Ken Grubb >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> >>> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >>> >>> >>>> Hi Kenneth, you refer to The Hampshire Telegraph 19th c Newspaper >>>> articles >>>> about Watermen. I wonder do you know of a free site or link to this >>>> article? My PASSELLS family came from Portsea and Southampton and a >>>> few >>>> of >>>> them were Watermen. I would dearly love to find out if they are >>>> mentioned. >>>> Lesley Mann >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> >>>> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:02 PM >>>> Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I recently consulted the Hampshire Telegraph of the 19thC and come >>>>> across >>>>> several references to members of my Portsea family, who were all >>>>> watermen, >>>>> taking part in various regattas held in Spithead off Southsea beach. >>>>> In >>>>> 1866, one was competing in a 34 ft. sailing wherry called "Robin Hood" >>>>> which had its mainsail carried away during the race. >>>>> >>>>> I know the following:- >>>>> >>>>> 1. rowing wherries were open boats used predominantly to carry people >>>>> and >>>>> goods across the harbour and could be propelled by one to four oars >>>>> depending on length, >>>>> >>>>> 2. sailing wherries were indigenous to the Norfolk Broads, were of >>>>> shallow >>>>> draught and had a collapsible mast to negotiate bridges. My Norfolk >>>>> informant tells me that they were not particularly seaworthy. >>>>> >>>>> 3. I know that the South Coast sailing wherries did go to sea and one >>>>> was >>>>> intercepted off the French coast and suspected of smuggling so they >>>>> were >>>>> seaworthy. I assume that they were partly or wholly decked out. >>>>> >>>>> Can anybody tell me how these south coast sailing wherries differed >>>>> from >>>>> the Norfolk kind and whether they would have been built locally?? >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Ken Grubb >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>>> message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG. >>>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1382 - Release Date: >>>> 16/04/2008 17:34 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: >> 22/04/2008 15:51 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Ken did you get my e-mail? Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > Hello Leslie, > > I have received an excellent article on the Spithead wherries. Would you > care to let me have your e-mail address and I will send you copy off > forum. > > Regards > > Ken Grubb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:37 PM > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > > >> Hi Ken, yes I read that, I also read quite a few other newspaper reports >> of >> certain activities concerning court actions etc. I love all that, it >> really >> brings the names you have written down to life doesn't it? I am sure I >> have >> a book about Portsmouth Watermen with photos in. I will have to have >> another look at it to see if your 'Grubb' folk are in there. Wouldn't it >> be >> great to get a photo of them. >> Regards Lesley >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> >> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >> >> >>> Hello again Leslie, >>> >>> It would seem that your lot often competed against my lot! >>> >>> In August 1866 during the Royal Albert Yacht Regatta, W.Passells in the >>> 26ft. long "Duke", J.Passells in the 25 ft. long "Dispatch" and W.Grubb >>> in >>> the 34 ft. long "Robin Hood" took part in a race for sailing wherries. >>> >>> Result :- "Dispatch" came second, "Robin Hood" lost its sail and >>> "Duke" finshed unplaced. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Ken Grubb >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> >>> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >>> >>> >>>> Hi Kenneth, you refer to The Hampshire Telegraph 19th c Newspaper >>>> articles >>>> about Watermen. I wonder do you know of a free site or link to this >>>> article? My PASSELLS family came from Portsea and Southampton and a >>>> few >>>> of >>>> them were Watermen. I would dearly love to find out if they are >>>> mentioned. >>>> Lesley Mann >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> >>>> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:02 PM >>>> Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I recently consulted the Hampshire Telegraph of the 19thC and come >>>>> across >>>>> several references to members of my Portsea family, who were all >>>>> watermen, >>>>> taking part in various regattas held in Spithead off Southsea beach. >>>>> In >>>>> 1866, one was competing in a 34 ft. sailing wherry called "Robin Hood" >>>>> which had its mainsail carried away during the race. >>>>> >>>>> I know the following:- >>>>> >>>>> 1. rowing wherries were open boats used predominantly to carry people >>>>> and >>>>> goods across the harbour and could be propelled by one to four oars >>>>> depending on length, >>>>> >>>>> 2. sailing wherries were indigenous to the Norfolk Broads, were of >>>>> shallow >>>>> draught and had a collapsible mast to negotiate bridges. My Norfolk >>>>> informant tells me that they were not particularly seaworthy. >>>>> >>>>> 3. I know that the South Coast sailing wherries did go to sea and one >>>>> was >>>>> intercepted off the French coast and suspected of smuggling so they >>>>> were >>>>> seaworthy. I assume that they were partly or wholly decked out. >>>>> >>>>> Can anybody tell me how these south coast sailing wherries differed >>>>> from >>>>> the Norfolk kind and whether they would have been built locally?? >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Ken Grubb >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>>> message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG. >>>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1382 - Release Date: >>>> 16/04/2008 17:34 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: >> 22/04/2008 15:51 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Which one was that?? I e-mailed you on Sunday with two articles attached. Did you get it? Regards Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > Ken did you get my e-mail? Lesley > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> > To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:12 PM > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries > > >> Hello Leslie, >> >> I have received an excellent article on the Spithead wherries. Would you >> care to let me have your e-mail address and I will send you copy off >> forum. >> >> Regards >> >> Ken Grubb >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> >> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >> >> >>> Hi Ken, yes I read that, I also read quite a few other newspaper reports >>> of >>> certain activities concerning court actions etc. I love all that, it >>> really >>> brings the names you have written down to life doesn't it? I am sure I >>> have >>> a book about Portsmouth Watermen with photos in. I will have to have >>> another look at it to see if your 'Grubb' folk are in there. Wouldn't >>> it >>> be >>> great to get a photo of them. >>> Regards Lesley >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> >>> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >>> >>> >>>> Hello again Leslie, >>>> >>>> It would seem that your lot often competed against my lot! >>>> >>>> In August 1866 during the Royal Albert Yacht Regatta, W.Passells in the >>>> 26ft. long "Duke", J.Passells in the 25 ft. long "Dispatch" and W.Grubb >>>> in >>>> the 34 ft. long "Robin Hood" took part in a race for sailing wherries. >>>> >>>> Result :- "Dispatch" came second, "Robin Hood" lost its sail and >>>> "Duke" finshed unplaced. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Ken Grubb >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "lesley mann" <lesley.mann102@ntlworld.com> >>>> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:39 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Kenneth, you refer to The Hampshire Telegraph 19th c Newspaper >>>>> articles >>>>> about Watermen. I wonder do you know of a free site or link to this >>>>> article? My PASSELLS family came from Portsea and Southampton and a >>>>> few >>>>> of >>>>> them were Watermen. I would dearly love to find out if they are >>>>> mentioned. >>>>> Lesley Mann >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Kenneth Grubb" <kengrubb@talktalk.net> >>>>> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:02 PM >>>>> Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Sailing wherries >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I recently consulted the Hampshire Telegraph of the 19thC and come >>>>>> across >>>>>> several references to members of my Portsea family, who were all >>>>>> watermen, >>>>>> taking part in various regattas held in Spithead off Southsea beach. >>>>>> In >>>>>> 1866, one was competing in a 34 ft. sailing wherry called "Robin >>>>>> Hood" >>>>>> which had its mainsail carried away during the race. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know the following:- >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. rowing wherries were open boats used predominantly to carry people >>>>>> and >>>>>> goods across the harbour and could be propelled by one to four oars >>>>>> depending on length, >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. sailing wherries were indigenous to the Norfolk Broads, were of >>>>>> shallow >>>>>> draught and had a collapsible mast to negotiate bridges. My Norfolk >>>>>> informant tells me that they were not particularly seaworthy. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. I know that the South Coast sailing wherries did go to sea and one >>>>>> was >>>>>> intercepted off the French coast and suspected of smuggling so they >>>>>> were >>>>>> seaworthy. I assume that they were partly or wholly decked out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anybody tell me how these south coast sailing wherries differed >>>>>> from >>>>>> the Norfolk kind and whether they would have been built locally?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Ken Grubb >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>>>> message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>>> message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG. >>>>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1382 - Release Date: >>>>> 16/04/2008 17:34 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: >>> 22/04/2008 15:51 >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: > 05/05/2008 06:01 >