Hi I also have done a quick check in my extended family and have come up with the following: Monday 110 Tuesday 64 Wednesday 69 Thursday 67 Friday 30 Saturday 252 Sunday 111 Regards Paul Researching the following families: Griffin Williamson Dennis Broad Denihan Laming Hunt Latimer Daley Jearum Aslett Ward Gilkerson Tull Clamp Mundy Lewis Newman and many more! Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:54:35 +1000 From: Clive Sandon <csandon@internode.on.net> Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Marriage Day To: Hampshire Mailing Hampshire Mailing List <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Hi Does anybody know which was the most common day people were married. I have a family married on a Tuesday. Is that common? Why not the weekends? I have Googled, but there's no clear answer. Many thanks Clive

Before 1834, In order to qualify for Parish Relief and or to be a Parish Apprentice one had to fulfill a number of qualifications one of which was to be born in a parish of legally settled parent(s). The proof of birth was a baptism at the local church which would be entered in the Parish Records, There was no legal obligation, however this was usually sufficient incentive. There was also a belief held by many even today that any one not baptised could not enter into Heaven, which was the reason the reason for "private baptism". of sickly or dying babies. However healthy babies were not always baptised, but the parents would later decide to do so for a number of reason, personal, financial, spiritual or even as a result of the enthusiasm of a new vicar. Illegitimacy was no problem particularly if the father had been identified and support had been found through the issuance of filiation orders or bastardy bonds. The maintenance order could be a lump sum paid to the parish, a minimum of £40, usually beyond the means for most putative fathers or fixed sum for the lying in and a weekly allowance until the child was 14 years. A labourer would have a smaller sum fixed say 2s a week and a master or farmer up to 3s 6d Another qualification for parish relief was being hired by a legally settled inhabitant for a continuous period of 365 days, but most single labourers were hired from the end of Michaelmas week till the beginning of the next Michaelmas so avoiding the grant of legal settlement. David

I hadn't realised there were likely to be more 'midweek' marriages in the past either - interesting. Does anyone know whether this carries over into other life events like baptisms, or were they usually on a Sunday? As I understand it, if a baby was poorly and not expected to live, you might find a baptism marked as 'private' on the parish record, in which case the ceremony might have taken place at the home of the child on whichever day was convenient. I've noticed too that, rather than having each child baptised individually, some families did two or three on the same occasion. Is there any significance in that - cost? time off work? Jenny Cole _________________________________________________________________ Make a mini you and download it into Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354029/direct/01/

Hi Jenny Thanks for your insights. Much appreciated. I really had no idea. Clive On 23/09/2008, at 7:25 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote: > >> >> Does anybody know which was the most common day people were >> married. I >> have a family married on a Tuesday. Is that common? > > I don't actually *know* but my guess would be that there was no > particular > "most common" day. I have just looked, randomly, at 3 marriages in my > family file and they were on 3 different days - Tuesday, Thursday and > Friday. > > "Weekend" in times past did not have the same connotations as it > does now. > It was not the usual thing for people to work a 5 day week and have > Saturday and Sunday off, they would have worked on a Saturday just > like > any other day and many would have worked on a Sunday too. I > wouldn't be > surprised to find that there is an even spread over all the days from > Monday to Saturday for marriages in the 19th Century and earlier as > whichever day they chose it would have meant taking time off work. > It was > not uncommon for people to get married on Christmas Day! > > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Does anybody know which was the most common day people were married. I have a family married on a Tuesday. Is that common? Why not the weekends? I have Googled, but there's no clear answer. Many thanks Clive

> > Does anybody know which was the most common day people were married. I > have a family married on a Tuesday. Is that common? I don't actually *know* but my guess would be that there was no particular "most common" day. I have just looked, randomly, at 3 marriages in my family file and they were on 3 different days - Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. "Weekend" in times past did not have the same connotations as it does now. It was not the usual thing for people to work a 5 day week and have Saturday and Sunday off, they would have worked on a Saturday just like any other day and many would have worked on a Sunday too. I wouldn't be surprised to find that there is an even spread over all the days from Monday to Saturday for marriages in the 19th Century and earlier as whichever day they chose it would have meant taking time off work. It was not uncommon for people to get married on Christmas Day! -- Jenny M Benson

I checked through a family history of my wife's family for the period before 1900 and found 29 marriages with actual dates. The family was located in East Anglia and the men were predominantly employed in farming or at sea.. This was the break down Monday 1 Tuesday 5 Wednesday 2 Thursday 2 Friday 2 Saturday 12 Sunday 5 David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M Benson" <genes@cedarbank.me.uk> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Marriage Day > >> >> Does anybody know which was the most common day people were married. I >> have a family married on a Tuesday. Is that common? > > I don't actually *know* but my guess would be that there was no particular > "most common" day. I have just looked, randomly, at 3 marriages in my > family file and they were on 3 different days - Tuesday, Thursday and > Friday. > > "Weekend" in times past did not have the same connotations as it does now. > It was not the usual thing for people to work a 5 day week and have > Saturday and Sunday off, they would have worked on a Saturday just like > any other day and many would have worked on a Sunday too. I wouldn't be > surprised to find that there is an even spread over all the days from > Monday to Saturday for marriages in the 19th Century and earlier as > whichever day they chose it would have meant taking time off work. It was > not uncommon for people to get married on Christmas Day! > > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Hello Jenny, Yes. I came across this site but it doesn't seem to give the whole story, does it? Many thanks anyway Regards Ken Grubb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M Benson" <genes@cedarbank.me.uk> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Registration Districts > > Kenneth Grubb wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Can anybody advise me regarding reading matter that will give me details >> of the latest registraion district numbering system. This appears to have >> changed post 1993?? > > > Not exactly what you want, but > > http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/downloads/regdist_2003.pdf > > might be some help. > > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 20/09/2008 10:24

Kenneth Grubb wrote: > Hello, > > Can anybody advise me regarding reading matter that will give me details > of the latest registraion district numbering system. This appears to have > changed post 1993?? Not exactly what you want, but http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/downloads/regdist_2003.pdf might be some help. -- Jenny M Benson

Hello, Can anybody advise me regarding reading matter that will give me details of the latest registraion district numbering system. This appears to have changed post 1993?? Regards Ken Grubb Cheltenham, Glos.

A reminder that the annual open day of the Hampshire Genealogical Society will take place on Sunday 21 September 2008 at Horndean Technology College, Merchistoun Road, Horndean, Hampshire from 10.00am to 4.00pm As always, admission is FREE as are the family history lectures from guest speakers and the services of the HGS research room. Many other Family History Societies will be in attendance as will various bookstalls and genealogy supplies stands. Latest updates at www.hgs-online.org.uk Any enquiries to secretary@hgs-online.org.uk Take care Tony Knight

Hello, Depositing interests for Wilkinson family in Hercules St.from 1885 through to early 1900'S. Robert Wilkinson was head of family, childre where Robert, Charles, Thomas, Nora ana Charlotte. Sister Sarah married Robert Dobbie Aitken in Portsea in 1890. I am also looking for the death of Henry Charles William Pulling between 1842 and 1845, which I have not been able to find yet. Regards, Klifton Snow

Thanks guys for the tips. Appreciate your expertise. Cheers Clive On 18/09/2008, at 5:28 PM, Hampshire OPC wrote: > The 1900 Portsmouth registration district replaced the pre-1900 > districts of > Portsmouth and Portsea and so includes a large number of church > parishes to > search which in itself may prove fruitless if they married in the > Register > Office or in a non-conformist church/chapel. > There are only really two sure-fire ways open to you - either wait > for the > 1911 census to see if there is a Martha Kate Mullinger or Worley (of > course, > Martha may have died by then or her husband might have died by then > and > Martha remarried) - or to send for the marriage cert. > > Regards > Linda & Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Clive > Sandon > Sent: 18 September 2008 07:06 > To: Hampshire Mailing List > Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] MULLINGER or WORLEY Marriage? > > Hi there > > Just wondering if anyone can help. I have a Martha Kate Sly b. 1879 > who married either Henry Mullinger or Frank Worley at Portsmouth in > 1903(Record no. 2b 974). I have looked in every area as much as I > think I can, so I am asking if any member of this list has these males > in their tree and know who my Martha Kate Sly married. > > Thanks for any help. > > Cheers > > Clive Sandon > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi there Just wondering if anyone can help. I have a Martha Kate Sly b. 1879 who married either Henry Mullinger or Frank Worley at Portsmouth in 1903(Record no. 2b 974). I have looked in every area as much as I think I can, so I am asking if any member of this list has these males in their tree and know who my Martha Kate Sly married. Thanks for any help. Cheers Clive Sandon

A couple of other things to check: 1) contact the Portsmouth Record Office to see if the marriage has been card indexed (only church marriages though and easier if you are in the UK) 2) if the marriage lasted a few years and they had offspring spread over a few years then checking the birth registrations from September quarter 1911 onwards may throw up Worley/Sly or Mullinger/Sly combinations, since the mother's maiden name is included in the index files from that time. Ian Hampshire OPC wrote: > The 1900 Portsmouth registration district replaced the pre-1900 districts of > Portsmouth and Portsea and so includes a large number of church parishes to > search which in itself may prove fruitless if they married in the Register > Office or in a non-conformist church/chapel. > There are only really two sure-fire ways open to you - either wait for the > 1911 census to see if there is a Martha Kate Mullinger or Worley (of course, > Martha may have died by then or her husband might have died by then and > Martha remarried) - or to send for the marriage cert. > > Regards > Linda & Tony > >

The 1900 Portsmouth registration district replaced the pre-1900 districts of Portsmouth and Portsea and so includes a large number of church parishes to search which in itself may prove fruitless if they married in the Register Office or in a non-conformist church/chapel. There are only really two sure-fire ways open to you - either wait for the 1911 census to see if there is a Martha Kate Mullinger or Worley (of course, Martha may have died by then or her husband might have died by then and Martha remarried) - or to send for the marriage cert. Regards Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Clive Sandon Sent: 18 September 2008 07:06 To: Hampshire Mailing List Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] MULLINGER or WORLEY Marriage? Hi there Just wondering if anyone can help. I have a Martha Kate Sly b. 1879 who married either Henry Mullinger or Frank Worley at Portsmouth in 1903(Record no. 2b 974). I have looked in every area as much as I think I can, so I am asking if any member of this list has these males in their tree and know who my Martha Kate Sly married. Thanks for any help. Cheers Clive Sandon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James LANCASTER, b. 1806 in Portsmouth, Hampshire, married Sarah SNOW, Apr 10, 1836. Children - Frederick, John, George Snow, Sarah Jane, John B., Priscilla, Edward, and Albert Charles Snow (surnames all LANCASTER). All were born in Portsmouth. He died Aug 07, 1886. Sarah died Oct 10, 1888. George Snow LANCASTER, b. Mar 26, 1840 in Portsea, Hampshire, married Maria PAYNE, Jun 29, 1863, Children - Emily Sarah, b. 1864, who married Francis James WHITE (Apr-Jun 1892), George Edward LANCASTER, b. Feb 26, 1866, married Florence HOBBS, William LANCASTER, b.1868, who married Bertha, Albert John LANCASTER, b. 1870, who married Alice BOYCE, James Ernest LANCASTER, b. Oct 07, 1871, who married Harriett Alice HANDLEY, Mar 21, 1889, Frederick LANCASTER, b. 1874, who married Florence POWELL, Arthur Cararvon LANCASTER, b. 1875 and d. Jun 28, 1876, and Edwin Hiram LANCASTER, b. 1877 and d. Sep 14, 1883. All were born in Portsmouth or Waterlooville. George Snow LANCASTER d. Sep 18, 1916 and Maria PAYNE d. Feb 19 1917. James Ernest LANCASTER and Harriett Alice HANDLEY were my husband's grandparents and they left Portsmouth in about 1909. They emigrated to America and lived the rest of their lives in Topeka, KS. USA. I am researching family members from the families I mentioned in the body of my message and the subject. The HANDLEY family was originally from Cambridgeshire and I am researching TODDs and others at that location. Judy Bates Scottsdale, AZ. USA

Hi all: As well as WILLCOCKS, addressed in my previous message, I have direct or indirect links to other families in the Portsmouth-Gosport area, notably the above lines. More details below. Robert Joice(or Joyce) SQUIRE, b. 1774, chr. 17 Mar 1774 at Winterborne Zelston, Dorset, appears to have moved to the area in his youth, and married Martha BOUND(S) at Alverstoke on 15 Aug 1802. Their son, Edmund SQUIRE, b. 9 Mar 1802, chr. St. Mary's Portsea on 2 May 1802, became a Warrant Officer in the Royal Navy and was apparently well regarded. The name "Edmund" has now passed through four more generations of our family. His grandson Henry William Squire WILLCOCKS wrote: "Edmund Squire was a Warrant Officer in the Navy & died by sunstroke at “Mauritius” where he was buried. Born - March 9th 1802 Died - Feb 12th 1845" Edmund had a sister Julia, b. 17 Aug 1804, chr. 13 Jan 1805 at St. Peter's Daniel Street Wesleyan church. I have no further information on her - did she die, get married, or move away - any information appreciated! Edmund married Sarah KEMP, b. 23 May 1803, chr. 26 Jul 1805 St. Mary's Portsea, on 8 Jan 1826 also at St. Mary's Portsea. Henry also writes about her, "there was a large family of Kemps " and "the Kemps were well known Hatters and Manufactors of Straw Hats for the Navy". She was the sixth child (of 8) of James KEMP and Elizabeth FULLJAMES, who married 4 Nov 1792 at St. Mary's, Portsea. I have marriages for five of their children: Mary Harriet KEMP m. John JOHNSON 23 Oct 1816 at St. Mary's Portsea, no descendants so far found; James KEMP m. Sarah POYNTER 11 Oct 1827; Richard George KEMP m. Mary DENTON 29 Oct 1825; and William Henry KEMP m. Mary Jane FORD. Would anyone with links to these families please contact me. Robert Joice SQUIRE married again, on 30 Jun 1806, to Hannah RAYNER nee LANE, who had previously been married to Isaac RAYNER and was a widow when she married Robert. They had three more children, Martha Lane SQUIRES, Mary Lane SQUIRES and Thomas Lane SQUIRE, all chr. at St. Peter's Wesleyan; Martha and Mary were twins, b. 9 Jun 1807, and Thomas was born 14 May 1809. I have no information about marriages or descendants from these lines. Julia SQUIRE, daughter of Robert and Martha, married Henry John WILLCOCKS, who were my great-grandparents, om 23 Oct 1852. Henry d. 15 Dec 1864, with four sons: Henry William Squire WILLCOCKS b. 29 Jul 1854; Edmund Squire WILLCOCKS (my grandfather), b. 9 Nov 1856; Arthur Squire WILLCOCKS b. 15 Dec 1860, and Louis Squire WILLCOCKS b. 12 Jun 1863. My father, a pharmacist, never mentioned these three uncles of his to us, even though Arthur became a pharmacist and his son Philip Squire WILLCOCKS did also. The WILLCOCKS lines have been researched down to living descendants for the most part, but I am always pleasantly surprised by people who have contacted me about their particular line, so please let me know if you have any information or connections to these lines as well as any of the above. Research from the other side of the pond is still quite difficult! Regards, Martin Willcocks Tayorsville, UT, USA.

Hi If anyone has a pre 1827 trade directory for Hampshire, could they look up Robert HARMSWORTH for me please. His Will just says he's a shop-keeper of the Village of Stubbington in the Parish of Titchfield. I've looked on the Historical Directories website. Also thanks to Ian and Alison Smith for the 1841 Census lookups. Rita

Thanks Ian Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Thirlwell" <mcinnes.fh@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] 1841 Census look up please > > Hi Rita, > she's living with Catherine Chaplin, age 50, in St Thomas Street, > Portsmouth. > Also there in the same household: William Chaplin age 16 and Charlotte > White age 37. > Ian > > Rita Newton wrote: >> Hi >> Could anyone look up Ann HARMSWORTH in the 1841 Census. She was born in >> 1764, will be a Widow and could be living on her own in Stubbington or >> Tichfield, or living with one of her children. The daughters' married >> names are AMOR, WAY, CHAPLIN & BEVIS >> Thanks >> Rita >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >