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Hi Bob   I am afraid I haven't managed to find an Oxford House in Fawcett Road but there was an Oxford Terrace at 310-320 Fawcett Road (or Old Fawcett Road as we used to call the section after Lawrence Road) just south of Graham Road.   Regards   Chris Male ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Newell <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: "Eng-Ham-Portsmouth-Gosport@Rootsweb.Com" <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 3 October, 2008 3:18:31 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Oxford House Portsmouth Has anyone any idea where abouts Oxford house in Fawcett Road Southsea would have been. Regards Bob Newell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bob   I am afraid I haven't managed to find an Oxford House in Fawcett Road but there was an Oxford Terrace at 310-320 Fawcett Road (or Old Fawcett Road as we used to call the section after Lawrence Road) just south of Graham Road.   Regards   Chris Male ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Newell <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: "Eng-Ham-Portsmouth-Gosport@Rootsweb.Com" <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 3 October, 2008 3:18:31 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Oxford House Portsmouth Has anyone any idea where abouts Oxford house in Fawcett Road Southsea would have been. Regards Bob Newell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks I am following up my DEACON ancestors at http://www.geocities.com/kit_withers/deacon/deacon.html DEACON OF PORTSMOUTH, HAMPSHIRE (1691-1945) What I have from kelly's is 1849 Kelly's Directory entry: BANKERS: NATIONAL PROVINCIAL BANK OF ENGLAND (branch of), High Street, Portsmouth. HENRY DEACON, Manager; draw on Joint Stock Bank. 1899 Kelly's Directory of Hampshire and the Isle of Wight: p45 Hamps, Ashley Walk, Commercial - Wm, farmer, Ogdant p86 Hamps, Bournemouth, Mark, apartments, Cambridge vll, St Pauls Rd p105 Hamps, Bramshott, Fritham, Commercial - Stephen, farmer p146 Hamps, Eling, Blashford [nr Ellingham], - Henry, farmer p157 Hamps, Fareham Mrs Harriett, shopkeeper, Wallington p168 Hamps, Fordingbridge, Private Residents, Wm, Ashford p205 Hamps, Hyde, Jabez, brickmaker, Blisford p277 Hamps, Portsmouth, Landport, 60 Charlotte St, South side, Henry, florist p296 Hamps, Portsmouth, 36 Hyde Park Rd, DEACON & Sons, coach builders p296 Hamps, Portsmouth, 38 Hyde Park Rd, Francis, beer retailer p323 Hamps, Portsmouth, 50 Chichester Tce, Frederick George, chemist p323 Hamps, Portsmouth, 95 Victoria Rd South, Miss p324 Hamps, Portsmouth, 2 West St, Southsea, DEACON & Sons, coach wheelwrights p330 Hamps, Portsmouth, 95 Victoria Rd South, Miss p355 Hamps, Portsmouth, DEACON & Sons, coach builders & wheelwrights p1011 36 Hyde Park Rd & 2 West St South p355 Hamps, Portsmouth, DEACON, Francis, beer retailer p355 Hamps, Portsmouth, DEACON, Frederick George, chemist,50 Victoria Rd North p355 Hamps, Portsmouth, DEACON, Henry, florist, 60 Charlotte St, L p410 Hamps, Ropley, Henry Wm, Ropley Cottage p468 Hamps, Southampton, 175 Shirley Place, Mrs p475 Hamps, Southampton, 175 Shirley Rd, Freemantle, Mrs p603 Hamps, Isle of Wight, Cowes, Charles, Park Rd, dairyman, p607 Hamps, Isle of Wight, East Cowes, Wm, apts,2 Yarborough vils,Yarborough Rd p630 Hamps, Isle of Wight,Ryde,Newspapers,Times & Hamps Gazette,72 Union St, Samuel DEACON MUNDAY, publisher; published Wed for Thurs. (Similar on p638) p699 Hamps, Court Directory, Henry Wm, Ropley Cottage, Ropley, Alresford p699 Hamps, Court Directory, 95 Victoria Rd South, Southsea, Miss p699 Hamps, Court Directory, Southampton, 175 Shirley Rd, Freemantle, Mrs p699 Hamps, Court Directory, Wm, Ashford, Fordingbridge p790 Hamps, Apts, Mark, Cambridge villa, St Pauls Rd, Bournemouth p790 Hamps, Apts, Wm,2 Yarborough villas,Yarborough Rd, East Cowes p813 Hamps, Trades Directory, beer retailers, F DEACON,38 Hyde Park Rd,Southsea p829 Hamps, Trades Directory, J, Blisford, Fordingbridge, brick & tilemakers p829 Hamps, Chemists & Druggists, FG, 50 Victoria Rd, Nth, Southsea p829 Hamps,Trades Directory, Coach & Carriage Builders, DEACON & Sons, 36 Hyde Park Rd,Southsea p862 Hamps, Dairymen, Charles, Park Rd, Cowes p866 Hamps,Drapers, John Herbert, 25 St James Sq & 113 Pyle St,Newport, Isle of Wight p879 Hamps,Trades Directory, Farmers, Henry, Blashford,Ringwood, p879 Hamps,Trades Directory, Farmers, S, Fritham, Lyndhurst RSO p879 Hamps,Trades Directory, Farmers, W, Ogbens, Fordingbridge p902 Hamps, Grocers & Tea dealers, SE, Stuckton, Fordingbridge p945 Hamps, Trades Directory, Henry & Wm, Bridge Rd, East Cowes p954 Hamps, Samuel DEACON MUNDAY,72 Union St,Ryde, Bournemouth p965 Hamps, Trades Directory, Public Houses, Silas Edwin DEACON, Stuckton, Fordingbridge p978 Hamps, Shopkeepers, Mrs H, Wallington, Fareham p1011 Hamps,Trades Directory, Wheelwrights F & Sons, 2 West St & Hyde Park Rd, Southsea p355 ........................ If you know of any other DEACON entries, I'd be grateful. Also I have my JUDSON OF PORTSMOUTH, HAMPSHIRE (1670-1794) at http://www.geocities.com/kit_withers/judson/judson.html .1911 Kelly's Directory of Hampshire & Isle of Wight, 1911 p1007 Farm Bailiffs: Albert E JUDSON (to Henry WELCH-THURNTON Esq JP) Bramley, Basingstoke So any other entries welcome. Regards Kit in NZ

Hi, National Archives Handwriting Tutorial: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/default.htm Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

Has anyone any idea where abouts Oxford house in Fawcett Road Southsea would have been. Regards Bob Newell

Thank you so much I would never have found that but it looks as if you are right the R' is underlined and I read it as B' I had never heard of a sanitary district so that is my bit of information learned today. My thanks. June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M Benson" <genes@cedarbank.me.uk> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Birth certificate > June Lee wrote >>Can anyone tell me why in the first column of a birth certificate where >>the address of child born should be there is only a parish with BSD at >>the bottom. > > I think you will find that is actually RSD and it stands for Rural > Sanitary District. You can read about Sanitary Districts at > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitary_district > > Very often the registrars did not put the full address on Certificates, > but just the local area. > -- > Jenny M Benson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M Benson" <genes@cedarbank.me.uk> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Birth certificate > Very often the registrars did not put the full address on Certificates, > but just the local area. Too true Jenny, annoyingly so! Especially on older certificates I've noticed that. In my wife's family, there were 3 children born, 1843, 1846, and 1847. On each certificate the place where born column simply said "Fareham"......woopeeee just what I already knew....sheesh! Best wishes, Jon

June Lee wrote >Can anyone tell me why in the first column of a birth certificate where >the address of child born should be there is only a parish with BSD at >the bottom. I think you will find that is actually RSD and it stands for Rural Sanitary District. You can read about Sanitary Districts at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitary_district Very often the registrars did not put the full address on Certificates, but just the local area. -- Jenny M Benson

Can anyone tell me why in the first column of a birth certificate where the address of child born should be there is only a parish with BSD at the bottom. Would be very grateful for some help. June Lee

Just to thank all those that have given me some links to search for Merchant Navy lists I will give them all a go and let you know how I get on thanks bob Newell

Southampton Civic centre have an archive department in the basement which has records of merchant seamen. They are in the form of filing cards for each individual & some have passport size photos on. Also the library upstairs has a local history section that specialises in Merchant shipping. Penny Courtney Hampshire UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Newell" <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: "Hampshire@Rootsweb.Com" <hampshire@rootsweb.com>; "Eng-Ham-Portsmouth-Gosport@Rootsweb.Com" <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Merchant Navy records > Can anyone tell me if there are any records kept of Merchant seamen for > the period 1881 onwards.

Can anyone tell me if there are any records kept of Merchant seamen for the period 1881 onwards. Regards Bob Newell

Hi, In the 1956 edition of Kelly's, a Mrs White was shown as living at 87 Kimbolton Road. Regrettably there is no initial shown. Regards Mike

In 1956 Jan Mrs White is living in 87 Kimbolton Road. Not very helpful.  Paul ----- Original Message ---- From: JAN HIBBERD <jan.hibberd@btinternet.com> To: tony and linda site <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 27 September, 2008 7:02:19 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] kelly's look up for portsmouth required Has anybody got any Kelly's Directories and can look up who was living at 87 Kimbolton Road, Copnor, Portsmouth around 1953-1958   Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anybody got any Kelly's Directories and can look up who was living at 87 Kimbolton Road, Copnor, Portsmouth around 1953-1958   Thanks

To the best of my knowledge, when you present a child for baptism no-one ever asks to see your marriage cert. They are more interested in ensuring that you intend to bring up the child in the true faith (whichever this may be) , which might include checking whether at least one of the parents or godparents is a regular churchgoer. Margaret

Morality during the Victorian Era is a Study in Contrasts, contrast by different classes, contrast by different locations and contrast by different dates/decades. In spite of bathing machines and voluminous costumes, nude bathing was not unknown. In polite society there was a prudery which would prevent the mention of the word "leg", one would say "limb", and even in my youth we did not talk of the "breast" of a chicken only the "white" meat. However lewdness was not unusual and not just among the working classes. Surprisingly Queen Victoria liked to draw and collect male nude figure drawings , and Victorian Erotica in literature - books and magazine - was a large thriving business. However until the second half of her reign, divorce was a rarity, even though the Prince Consort's parents had been divorced. In the early years of Victoria's reign it was still legal to sell one's wife, but this was rapidly becoming unacceptable . This was often prearranged and she was sold to her lover - a working man's divorce - with the threesome meeting in the pub afterwards to seal the deal with a pint or two. In 1857 the Matrimonial Causes Act became law. This act allowed a man to divorce his wife for adultery but a woman could only divorce if adultery were accompanied by cruelty, so a husband could beat his wife or be unfaithful to her but not both for then she could divorce him. Before that, divorce was governed by a court of the Church of England, an expensive and exclusive procedure, but now it was moved to the Civil Courts establishing that marriage was based on contract rather than sacrament and widening the availability of divorce beyond the wealthy. It is interesting to note that in the House of Lords the bill was supported by the Archbishop of Canterbury. One of his predecessors had opposed a Factory Act on the grounds that if the lower classes worked fewer hours it would give them more free time to indulge in the drinking of gin ( very cheap at that time until a tax was imposed) and other evils. In the first year of the Marriage Causes Act the number of applications for divorce rose from 3 to 300. Coincidentally from about that time there were many improvements in other areas began. Crime and illegitimacy rates at the time Queen Victoria died in 1901 had fallen by about half from their mid-nineteenth century high. Public drunkenness became less common; literacy became nearly universal,; sanitation and diet improved at every level of society, and wages nearly doubled in a generation. The reputation of Victoria's reign being one of high morality and prudery comes from the last decade rather than the first By the end of the Victorian era there was increasing mobility - the railways and the increased demand for labour in new occupations in the cities - and greater urbanisation so that often neither neighbours nor the clergy would know if a couple were legally married, unlike a country village where everybody knew each other. I did some research on the Shenton family which included a William Churcher. In Apr 1902 in Alverstoke he murdered Sophia Jane Hepworth They although never married are shown as husband and wife in the 1901 census so one can perhaps assume that they were claiming to be married, and nobody questioned it or perhaps cared. David

Thank you to David Parker for all that lovely info about baptisms, which I've now squirrelled away. Here's another question someone might be able to answer: in Victorian times, how would someone go on if they had married, had children, and then taken up with a second 'wife'. I can find no sign of divorce or remarriage, and yet all the children from the second marriage were baptised. Wouldn't there have been awkward questions asked about the parents being married? I thought there was a terrible stigma attached to 'living in sin' which subsequently visited itself upon any children. He and the second 'Mrs' actually moved from London to the Isle of Wight in time for their first child to be born, so perhaps they got away with having to explain too much. I'm away for a couple of weeks now, but would love to hear any thoughts on this, as it's a great puzzle in our family. We thought we were all totally respectable until I began my family history! Jenny Cole _________________________________________________________________ Make a mini you and download it into Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354029/direct/01/

> Hi David > > That's a very interesting piece of research. This indicates people > were married on any day, including Sunday. Saturday stands out > though. Following that, I discovered that I had a variety of wedding > days too. > > On further research I came across this ditty. Not sure how long it > was in vogue??? > > According to the following old rhyme, the middle of the week was the > best day for getting married ; and the last three days were > considered unlucky. > > "Monday for wealth, > Tuesday for health, > Wednesday the best day of all ; > Thursday for crosses, > Friday for losses, > Saturday no luck at all." > > - From Marriage customs of England & Wales - http://www.oldandsold.com/articles25/marriage-customs-33.shtml > > Again David, thanks and all this info goes into the mix. > > Clive > > On 23/09/2008, at 10:29 PM, David Parker wrote: > >> I checked through a family history of my wife's family for the >> period >> before 1900 and found 29 marriages with actual dates. The family was >> located in East Anglia and the men were predominantly employed in >> farming or >> at sea.. This was the break down >> >> Monday 1 >> Tuesday 5 >> Wednesday 2 >> Thursday 2 >> Friday 2 >> Saturday 12 >> Sunday 5 >> >> David >> >> >> >