I have a postcard of the Higher Grade School, Portsmouth. It was sent to H BLACKADAR Esq, Chemist, Corner of Church Path, Church Rd Portsmouth by the Headmaster G J PARKS. It is postmarked March 22nd 1904. Can SKS tell me any more about the school and where it was in Portsmouth.? Many thanks Mike Hill Waterlooville

Hi List Could anyone with the 1851 Index in booklet form for Portsea & Alverstoke, have a look and see if they can find some of my HINES family. Household would have been Henry HINES, head, born 1817 Alverstoke Elizabeth HINES, wife, born 1818 Portsea Elizabeth HINES, dau, born 1847, Alverstoke Mary HINES, dau, born 1849 Alverstoke Henry HINES, son 1851 born Portsea Many thanks Rita

Thanks Bob. Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Portsea, Portsmouth Common,, etc. > Brilliant thank you for that information. > > Bob > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Gawn" <pgawn@dccnet.com> > To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 1:19 AM > Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Portsea, Portsmouth Common,, etc. > > > > The following is a copy of an email I sent recently to a correspondent. > > I thought it might be of interest to others. > > > > "You wondered if the reason why your Portsmouth ancestors moved around a > > lot (in the 19th century?) might be related to some sort of "Job Package". > > I don't think so. Apart from barracks for the military (Army), the Marines > > and, later, Navy seamen I've not come across any mention of housing for > > employees in Portsmouth. Servants and apprentices usually lived with their > > employers of course, but I don't expect that's what you had in mind. > > > > The question is a social history matter and not one specific to > > Portsmouth. Before about the 1930s relatively few people owned the houses > > they lived in. In fact until the latter part of the 19th century > > relatively few people owned anything at all. They didn't have all the > > stuff that we accumulate, so moving was not the hassle it is today. You > > just bundled up your meagre clothing and pots and pans and trudged off to > > the next place, perhaps borrowing a handcart if needed. People moved > > either to be closer to their employment or because of their financial > > situation - if times were good they'd look for somewhere better to live; > > when times were bad they looked for cheaper lodgings. The family of > > Charles Dickens is an example. He was born in Commercial Road in 1812 but > > his father, who was a clerk in the Navy Pay Office in Portsmouth Dockyard, > > soon moved the family to a smaller and cheaper house in Hawke Street, just > > outside the Dockyard, before they re-located to Chatham, Kent in 1! > > 815. > > > > It helps to know something about the development of Portsmouth. The > > original 12th century settlement was a trading post just inside the > > harbour mouth, around the inlet known as the Camber. The settlement grew > > slowly over the centuries. It's sometimes referred to as Old Portsmouth. > > Later, and gradually, the Royal Dockyard was developed further up > > Portsmouth Harbour adjacent to what is now called Portsea. Portsmouth and > > Portsea were separated by the Mill Pond. They were distinct, walled towns > > until the fortifications were pulled down in the 1870s and the land > > between them was built on. The parish church of Portsmouth is St Thomas, > > which became Portsmouth Cathedral in 1926. Portsea's parish church is St > > Mary's. > > > > The area outside the Dockyard walls was originally known as Portsmouth > > Common. When the Dockyard grew in importance in the late 17th century > > houses were put up on the Common so that Dockyard workers who lived in Old > > Portsmouth could move closer to the Yard. The military was unhappy about > > this housing because it jeopardised the Dockyard defenses - the military > > governor even threatened to turn his guns on it - but in 1703 Queen Anne > > (1702-1714) gave the workers permission to build on the Common. Portsmouth > > Common was officially re-named Portsea in 1792. > > > > Portsea's fortunes fluctuated with those of the Dockyard. The Yard was > > extremely busy in the 40 years between the start of the American > > Revolution in 1775 and the end of the French Wars in 1815 and Portsea grew > > "with wonderful rapidity." Unhappily bust followed boom and almost > > immediately, and at other times during the 19th century, there were > > massive layoffs from the Dockyard. Since Portsea was basically a > > one-industry town (the Dockyard was one of the largest industrial > > undertakings in England at the start of the century) alternative > > employment was scarce and there was considerable hardship. There was no > > state-run social assistance and the Dockyard, which was not an enlightened > > employer, offered few if any benefits or security to its workforce. > > > > Men who had worked on the construction and repair and so on of wooden > > ships were especially hard hit because there was no large private > > shipbuilding yard nearby and the smaller yards in Hampshire were in > > decline because for some 20 years after 1815 there was a surplus of both > > warships and merchant shipping. And to cap it all, the 1850s saw the start > > of the replacement of wooden sailing ships by iron, steam-powered ones and > > the consequent shift in shipbuilding to northern parts of the UK closer to > > the resources, iron foundries and coal. The situation got so bad, > > particularly for shipwrights, that assisted emigration to Canada was > > offered to them and other laid-off Dockyard employees & their families in > > both 1869 and 1870, and possibly as many as 1,500 people sailed from > > Portsmouth in the troopships Crocodile and Serapis. > > > > Housing in Portsea in the 19th century was appalling. Contemporary > > descriptions by social reformers run out of adjectives to describe it - > > perhaps squalor sums it up. Dingy pubs and beerhouses were on every > > corner, drunkenness was rife and prostitution notorious. Some of the first > > efforts at slum clearance in England focussed on Portsea although, > > unfortunately, not until the end of the century. It must have been a grim > > place to live in, like parts of so many other Victorian towns. > > > > Landport, which you also mentioned, developed eastwards from Portsea, > > roughly in what is now known as Fratton, to the north of Southsea. Here > > the housing was somewhat better and the streets better laid out - in > > Portsea the streets and alleys had grown haphazardly - and in this it was > > typical of the lower-income areas of row housing in mid-to-late Victorian > > cities (Victoria was queen from 1837 to 1901). > > > > By charter from Charles I (1625-1649) the borough of Portsmouth > > encompassed Old Portsmouth and Portsmouth Common, and part of the > > adjoining area. This stayed unchanged until the Municipal Reform Act of > > 1832 when the whole of Portsea parish was added to the borough. Two years > > later the jurisdiction of the borough was again extended and divided into > > six wards: St Thomas (Portsmouth), St George (Portsea South), St John > > (Portsea North), All Saints (Landport), St Paul (Southsea), and St Mary > > (Kingston). Portsmouth was " raised to the dignity of a city" in 1926. > > > > I hope the foregoing might help put things in context. I expect your > > families moved around either for economic reasons or because of any of the > > multitude of problems that crop up when one is living in rented > > accommodation." > > > > Peter Gawn (Canada). > > > > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > > Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to > > visit to meet up with old relatives > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > ______________________________

In a message dated 18/05/05 21:48:44 GMT Daylight Time, irvnyman@csolve.net writes: 2 questions - is Fanny a nickname for Frances? - it is a shortened version rather than a nickname Where is Buriton - on the map it is near Petersfield but where is that? - Buriton is a small village south east of Petersfield. Petersfield is a market town appx 20 miles north of Portsmouth - see _www.multimap.co.uk_ (http://www.multimap.co.uk) Both Buriton and Petersfield are indiviual parishes. Hope this helps Linda & Tony

I did try to communicate a few days ago but I think it went to the wrong place so will try again. If anyone could do a lookup and provide any more information I would be very grateful. I have a Sarah Mitchell, daughter of William and Frances christened 25 July 1819 at St.Marys Portsea. There is a record on the IGI of a William Mitchell marrying Fanny Coles 12 June 1814 at St. Marys Portsea. There is a record on the IGI of birth of Frances Elizabeth Coles 2 December 1790, christened 31 December 1790, parents Charles and Frances Coles in Buriton, Hampshire. 2 questions - is Fanny a nickname for Frances? Which would mean that Fanny and Frances are the same person. Where is Buriton - on the map it is near Petersfield but where is that? I would like it to be near Odiham, Winchfield, Hartley Wintney as that is where my relatives are supposed to be from and Sarah Mitchell married a James Cole so she could have married a relative. Another question - do these Mitchells tie in with the many other Mitchells in the Portsea area that other people are researching? Thank you for any enlightenment. Pat in Canada.

Hi Martin here are the full marriage details. St Thomas' Portsmouth CHU2/1C/13 page 193 no 386 16 October 1843 George GILES,full age,?widower,Private RM Bks & Maria JOHNSON,full age,Spinster,St Mary Street,married by banns, fathers Wm GILES,Private RM & Jno JOHNSON,Sgt RM,in the presence of Thos JONES & X the mark of Sush TEAM? Hope it helps,Linda amd Tony If you have access to St. Thomas Portsmouth marriages for 1843, could you possibly look up George GILES and Maria JOHNSON marriage on 16 October 1843. George should be 36 and may be a widower (hopefully!) and Maria age 22

Hi Edna here are the full marriage details. Alverstoke CHU42/1C/21 page 200 no 400 November 6 1859 John KNIGHT of full age,Bachelor,Labourer,Gosport & Elizabeth Mary Ings DAYSH,of full age,Spinster,Gosport married after banns,fathers James KNIGHT,Labourer & George DAYSH,Labourer,in the presence of Rd LACY & Maria GROVES? Take care,Linda & Tony Hi, Could someone check the entry for John Knight (b. 1836) marriage to Elizabeth Daysh (found on IGI, Batch No. M073581) - 6 Nov 1859 Alverstoke, could be Holy Trinity. Looking for "interesting witnesses... Thank you, Edna - Ottawa

Hello Martin here are the full marriage details. Alverstoke CHU42/1C/6 page 36 no 86 John YOUNG & Lizth DAVENPORT both of this parish married in this church by banns 28th July 1800 both signed in the presence of Mary Ann MATTRESS & Jno GEAR Hope it helps,Linda and Tony Would you by chance have the Alverstoke records for 1800? If so, I'd like a lookup please for 28 Jul 1800 Alverstoke (St. Mary?) John YOUNG and Elizabeth DAVENPORT

Hello Sarah have just double checked and the birth date was 20 Nov 1818 but other details as per the previous e-mail. Linda and Tony Having started to work through them I see that: CHU3/1B/15 page 114 no 907 baptised Nov 9 1828 David son of Charles & Hannah HARRIS Born 20 Nov 1828 Cross St Labourer I guess the birth date is wrong (rather than him being baptised before he was born!!!) Thanks, Sarah

Am forwarding names with an association to Hampshire, mainly Portsea/Southsea. After having served in the RMA the family was mainly involved as cab proprietors or coastguards. Have found cousins via this list, but am always happy to extend the family!! Pamela NSW BARRETT - Nottingham and Hampshire BROCKWAY - Dorset , Sussex and Hampshire BARRETT - Nottingham and Hampshire BURTON - Dorset and Hampshire DAVIE - Dorset and Hampshire DOREY - Sussex and Hampshire EDWARDS - Cornwall, London and Hampshire GARLAND - Sussex and Kent GUILE/GILE - Sussex and Hampshire HATHERLEY - Hampshire HODGES - Dorset and Hampshire KAVANAUGH - Hampshire KEMP - Hampshire LAWRENCE - Surrey and Hampshire LESTRANGE - Hampshire MATTHEWS - Hampshire NELLTHORP(E) - Hampshire RICHARDS - Cornwall SILK - Hampshire WAY - Dorset and Hampshire WALLIS - Devon and Hampshire

No Bob not after nearly 28 years LOL) got married again Tony lol dumped Linda have you ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Wood" <krwood@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] WARLOW-ABRAMS-ABRAHAM-MELHUISH and look up. > Hello Listers: > After 3 years off line it is nice to return and see Tony and Ann still > going strong with their look up service and thanks very much. > My family names for Hampshire are WARLOW(from Wales)--ABRAMS-ABRAHAM and > MELHUISH(from Devon) in Portsea/Portsmouth > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies >

It's Tony & Linda))LOL Linda and Tony Hello Listers: After 3 years off line it is nice to return and see Tony and Ann still going strong with their look up service and thanks very much. My family names for Hampshire are WARLOW(from Wales)--ABRAMS-ABRAHAM and MELHUISH(from Devon) in Portsea/Portsmouth

Brilliant thank you for that information. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Gawn" <pgawn@dccnet.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 1:19 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Portsea, Portsmouth Common,, etc. > The following is a copy of an email I sent recently to a correspondent. > I thought it might be of interest to others. > > "You wondered if the reason why your Portsmouth ancestors moved around a > lot (in the 19th century?) might be related to some sort of "Job Package". > I don't think so. Apart from barracks for the military (Army), the Marines > and, later, Navy seamen I've not come across any mention of housing for > employees in Portsmouth. Servants and apprentices usually lived with their > employers of course, but I don't expect that's what you had in mind. > > The question is a social history matter and not one specific to > Portsmouth. Before about the 1930s relatively few people owned the houses > they lived in. In fact until the latter part of the 19th century > relatively few people owned anything at all. They didn't have all the > stuff that we accumulate, so moving was not the hassle it is today. You > just bundled up your meagre clothing and pots and pans and trudged off to > the next place, perhaps borrowing a handcart if needed. People moved > either to be closer to their employment or because of their financial > situation - if times were good they'd look for somewhere better to live; > when times were bad they looked for cheaper lodgings. The family of > Charles Dickens is an example. He was born in Commercial Road in 1812 but > his father, who was a clerk in the Navy Pay Office in Portsmouth Dockyard, > soon moved the family to a smaller and cheaper house in Hawke Street, just > outside the Dockyard, before they re-located to Chatham, Kent in 1! > 815. > > It helps to know something about the development of Portsmouth. The > original 12th century settlement was a trading post just inside the > harbour mouth, around the inlet known as the Camber. The settlement grew > slowly over the centuries. It's sometimes referred to as Old Portsmouth. > Later, and gradually, the Royal Dockyard was developed further up > Portsmouth Harbour adjacent to what is now called Portsea. Portsmouth and > Portsea were separated by the Mill Pond. They were distinct, walled towns > until the fortifications were pulled down in the 1870s and the land > between them was built on. The parish church of Portsmouth is St Thomas, > which became Portsmouth Cathedral in 1926. Portsea's parish church is St > Mary's. > > The area outside the Dockyard walls was originally known as Portsmouth > Common. When the Dockyard grew in importance in the late 17th century > houses were put up on the Common so that Dockyard workers who lived in Old > Portsmouth could move closer to the Yard. The military was unhappy about > this housing because it jeopardised the Dockyard defenses - the military > governor even threatened to turn his guns on it - but in 1703 Queen Anne > (1702-1714) gave the workers permission to build on the Common. Portsmouth > Common was officially re-named Portsea in 1792. > > Portsea's fortunes fluctuated with those of the Dockyard. The Yard was > extremely busy in the 40 years between the start of the American > Revolution in 1775 and the end of the French Wars in 1815 and Portsea grew > "with wonderful rapidity." Unhappily bust followed boom and almost > immediately, and at other times during the 19th century, there were > massive layoffs from the Dockyard. Since Portsea was basically a > one-industry town (the Dockyard was one of the largest industrial > undertakings in England at the start of the century) alternative > employment was scarce and there was considerable hardship. There was no > state-run social assistance and the Dockyard, which was not an enlightened > employer, offered few if any benefits or security to its workforce. > > Men who had worked on the construction and repair and so on of wooden > ships were especially hard hit because there was no large private > shipbuilding yard nearby and the smaller yards in Hampshire were in > decline because for some 20 years after 1815 there was a surplus of both > warships and merchant shipping. And to cap it all, the 1850s saw the start > of the replacement of wooden sailing ships by iron, steam-powered ones and > the consequent shift in shipbuilding to northern parts of the UK closer to > the resources, iron foundries and coal. The situation got so bad, > particularly for shipwrights, that assisted emigration to Canada was > offered to them and other laid-off Dockyard employees & their families in > both 1869 and 1870, and possibly as many as 1,500 people sailed from > Portsmouth in the troopships Crocodile and Serapis. > > Housing in Portsea in the 19th century was appalling. Contemporary > descriptions by social reformers run out of adjectives to describe it - > perhaps squalor sums it up. Dingy pubs and beerhouses were on every > corner, drunkenness was rife and prostitution notorious. Some of the first > efforts at slum clearance in England focussed on Portsea although, > unfortunately, not until the end of the century. It must have been a grim > place to live in, like parts of so many other Victorian towns. > > Landport, which you also mentioned, developed eastwards from Portsea, > roughly in what is now known as Fratton, to the north of Southsea. Here > the housing was somewhat better and the streets better laid out - in > Portsea the streets and alleys had grown haphazardly - and in this it was > typical of the lower-income areas of row housing in mid-to-late Victorian > cities (Victoria was queen from 1837 to 1901). > > By charter from Charles I (1625-1649) the borough of Portsmouth > encompassed Old Portsmouth and Portsmouth Common, and part of the > adjoining area. This stayed unchanged until the Municipal Reform Act of > 1832 when the whole of Portsea parish was added to the borough. Two years > later the jurisdiction of the borough was again extended and divided into > six wards: St Thomas (Portsmouth), St George (Portsea South), St John > (Portsea North), All Saints (Landport), St Paul (Southsea), and St Mary > (Kingston). Portsmouth was " raised to the dignity of a city" in 1926. > > I hope the foregoing might help put things in context. I expect your > families moved around either for economic reasons or because of any of the > multitude of problems that crop up when one is living in rented > accommodation." > > Peter Gawn (Canada). > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to > visit to meet up with old relatives > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I have an unrelated Marriage Certificate of Charles King and Sarah Shephard 1860 of Alverstoke Gosport Hampshire , anyone related. Bob Newell

got married again Tony lol dumped Linda have you ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Wood" <krwood@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] WARLOW-ABRAMS-ABRAHAM-MELHUISH and look up. > Hello Listers: > After 3 years off line it is nice to return and see Tony and Ann still > going strong with their look up service and thanks very much. > My family names for Hampshire are WARLOW(from Wales)--ABRAMS-ABRAHAM and > MELHUISH(from Devon) in Portsea/Portsmouth > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Dear Bob: My apologies to the Knight family. So pleased to see you British have not lost your great sense of humour. All the best: Keith Wood Victoria, BC Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] WARLOW-ABRAMS-ABRAHAM-MELHUISH and look up. > got married again Tony lol > dumped Linda have you > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K Wood" <krwood@shaw.ca> > To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:30 PM > Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] WARLOW-ABRAMS-ABRAHAM-MELHUISH and look up. > > >> Hello Listers: >> After 3 years off line it is nice to return and see Tony and Ann still >> going strong with their look up service and thanks very much. >> My family names for Hampshire are WARLOW(from Wales)--ABRAMS-ABRAHAM and >> MELHUISH(from Devon) in Portsea/Portsmouth >> >> >> ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >> Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

The following is a copy of an email I sent recently to a correspondent. I thought it might be of interest to others. "You wondered if the reason why your Portsmouth ancestors moved around a lot (in the 19th century?) might be related to some sort of "Job Package". I don't think so. Apart from barracks for the military (Army), the Marines and, later, Navy seamen I've not come across any mention of housing for employees in Portsmouth. Servants and apprentices usually lived with their employers of course, but I don't expect that's what you had in mind. The question is a social history matter and not one specific to Portsmouth. Before about the 1930s relatively few people owned the houses they lived in. In fact until the latter part of the 19th century relatively few people owned anything at all. They didn't have all the stuff that we accumulate, so moving was not the hassle it is today. You just bundled up your meagre clothing and pots and pans and trudged off to the next place, perhaps borrowing a handcart if needed. People moved either to be closer to their employment or because of their financial situation - if times were good they'd look for somewhere better to live; when times were bad they looked for cheaper lodgings. The family of Charles Dickens is an example. He was born in Commercial Road in 1812 but his father, who was a clerk in the Navy Pay Office in Portsmouth Dockyard, soon moved the family to a smaller and cheaper house in Hawke Street, just outside the Dockyard, before they re-located to Chatham, Kent in 1! 815. It helps to know something about the development of Portsmouth. The original 12th century settlement was a trading post just inside the harbour mouth, around the inlet known as the Camber. The settlement grew slowly over the centuries. It's sometimes referred to as Old Portsmouth. Later, and gradually, the Royal Dockyard was developed further up Portsmouth Harbour adjacent to what is now called Portsea. Portsmouth and Portsea were separated by the Mill Pond. They were distinct, walled towns until the fortifications were pulled down in the 1870s and the land between them was built on. The parish church of Portsmouth is St Thomas, which became Portsmouth Cathedral in 1926. Portsea's parish church is St Mary's. The area outside the Dockyard walls was originally known as Portsmouth Common. When the Dockyard grew in importance in the late 17th century houses were put up on the Common so that Dockyard workers who lived in Old Portsmouth could move closer to the Yard. The military was unhappy about this housing because it jeopardised the Dockyard defenses - the military governor even threatened to turn his guns on it - but in 1703 Queen Anne (1702-1714) gave the workers permission to build on the Common. Portsmouth Common was officially re-named Portsea in 1792. Portsea's fortunes fluctuated with those of the Dockyard. The Yard was extremely busy in the 40 years between the start of the American Revolution in 1775 and the end of the French Wars in 1815 and Portsea grew "with wonderful rapidity." Unhappily bust followed boom and almost immediately, and at other times during the 19th century, there were massive layoffs from the Dockyard. Since Portsea was basically a one-industry town (the Dockyard was one of the largest industrial undertakings in England at the start of the century) alternative employment was scarce and there was considerable hardship. There was no state-run social assistance and the Dockyard, which was not an enlightened employer, offered few if any benefits or security to its workforce. Men who had worked on the construction and repair and so on of wooden ships were especially hard hit because there was no large private shipbuilding yard nearby and the smaller yards in Hampshire were in decline because for some 20 years after 1815 there was a surplus of both warships and merchant shipping. And to cap it all, the 1850s saw the start of the replacement of wooden sailing ships by iron, steam-powered ones and the consequent shift in shipbuilding to northern parts of the UK closer to the resources, iron foundries and coal. The situation got so bad, particularly for shipwrights, that assisted emigration to Canada was offered to them and other laid-off Dockyard employees & their families in both 1869 and 1870, and possibly as many as 1,500 people sailed from Portsmouth in the troopships Crocodile and Serapis. Housing in Portsea in the 19th century was appalling. Contemporary descriptions by social reformers run out of adjectives to describe it - perhaps squalor sums it up. Dingy pubs and beerhouses were on every corner, drunkenness was rife and prostitution notorious. Some of the first efforts at slum clearance in England focussed on Portsea although, unfortunately, not until the end of the century. It must have been a grim place to live in, like parts of so many other Victorian towns. Landport, which you also mentioned, developed eastwards from Portsea, roughly in what is now known as Fratton, to the north of Southsea. Here the housing was somewhat better and the streets better laid out - in Portsea the streets and alleys had grown haphazardly - and in this it was typical of the lower-income areas of row housing in mid-to-late Victorian cities (Victoria was queen from 1837 to 1901). By charter from Charles I (1625-1649) the borough of Portsmouth encompassed Old Portsmouth and Portsmouth Common, and part of the adjoining area. This stayed unchanged until the Municipal Reform Act of 1832 when the whole of Portsea parish was added to the borough. Two years later the jurisdiction of the borough was again extended and divided into six wards: St Thomas (Portsmouth), St George (Portsea South), St John (Portsea North), All Saints (Landport), St Paul (Southsea), and St Mary (Kingston). Portsmouth was " raised to the dignity of a city" in 1926. I hope the foregoing might help put things in context. I expect your families moved around either for economic reasons or because of any of the multitude of problems that crop up when one is living in rented accommodation." Peter Gawn (Canada).

Good Afternoon All, I need a little more help then what Google and Archaic Medical Terms can give me although AMT helped a lot. Maybe someone can explain the word ‘organicus’ in connection with ‘morbus cardis organicus’ to me. My great uncle Alfred Edward LEECH died on the Isle of Malta where he was foreman of shipwrights at HM Dockyard in 1914 of morbus cardis organicus. I was happy not to read that he died of poisoning… family rumour was that his wife did him in. I received a copy of the death certificate from Malta yesterday and so happy to receive it..over the moon so to speak. Morbis cardis – means no more than heart disease. Probably used by doctors when they did not know the exact cause of death but were sure it was natural causes. May sometimes mean heart failure. Organic – indicates an illness where there is structural change i.e. A physical disease rather than a psychological one. Quote AMT. Another rumour and most likely was that he died from heart failure after playing a rough game of rugby. He used to play for Old Pompey when a younger man. I not only post this for some clarification but in case someone might find it to be of interest. Thank you. Louise Banff Canada

Hello Listers: After 3 years off line it is nice to return and see Tony and Ann still going strong with their look up service and thanks very much. My family names for Hampshire are WARLOW(from Wales)--ABRAMS-ABRAHAM and MELHUISH(from Devon) in Portsea/Portsmouth

Mitchell's are on my mothers side. Her father was William George MITCHELL b 1888 at 129 Queens road Alverstoke RN Chief Shipwright. He was married to Ellen Florence GALLIENNE 28 Sep 1912 Alverstoke. His parents were Charles MITCHELL b Abt 1862 and Elizabeth RUFFELL b 1865 Gosport they married Dec qrt 1883 2b 1005 Alverstoke. I have history of Elizabeth but nothing as yet on Charles. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] MITCHELL > > Hello Bob > we have MITCHELLs in our tree. > Where might you connect up? > Linda and Tony: > > Hello Listers, time to put my list of interests up to see if it shakes > any > cobwebs. > NEWELL,GALLIENNE,MITCHELL,HOLLIS,WATERS,CAINS,McCALPEN,HUIT,BILLINGER,SIMPSON, > FURGUSON,LAPPING,STALEY,WILLIAMS,DRAPER. > > Bob Newell > > > > > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >