Thank for this, much appreciated.Hope Thomas Banister was not a Church Clerk!! Regards Geraldine Geraldine -----Original Message----- From: Knightroots@aol.com [mailto:Knightroots@aol.com] Sent: 02 June 2005 14:58 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] St Marys look up and HOAR REEVES and TEE family Hi Geraldine here are theb full marriage details. St Mary's Portsea CHU3/1D/8 No 209 John REEVES Widower & Ann TEE Spinster both of this parish married in this church by banns 13th September 1795 signed by John REEVES & X the mark of Ann TEE in the presence of Thos BANISTER & X the mark of Mary TEE Hope it helps,Linda and Tony Hi Linda and Tony Please could you do another of your great look ups St Marys Church Portsea John REEVES and Ann TEE 13 Sept 1795 ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

It would be either the bride or groom:are under 21 years of age. Hope this helps Jon. Linda and Tony married in this church by banns with consent X The mark of James ALBERY Thanks for the full details Tony and Linda, very much appreciated. As the marriage was with consent, what type of age group would this likely put William in? Thanks again, kind regards, Jon

----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Albery & Spraggs marriage, Alverstoke married in this church by banns with consent X The mark of James ALBERY Thanks for the full details Tony and Linda, very much appreciated. As the marriage was with consent, what type of age group would this likely put William in? Thanks again, kind regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/05

Plan C needed no magic here but will say Shazzam and hope). Another SMITH)). Linda and Tony Many thanks Linda and Tony ... That's what I've found. Was sort of hoping you had a bit more about the parents tucked away in that magic bag of yours. I now need a plan C.

Hi Geraldine here are theb full marriage details. St Mary's Portsea CHU3/1D/8 No 209 John REEVES Widower & Ann TEE Spinster both of this parish married in this church by banns 13th September 1795 signed by John REEVES & X the mark of Ann TEE in the presence of Thos BANISTER & X the mark of Mary TEE Hope it helps,Linda and Tony Hi Linda and Tony Please could you do another of your great look ups St Marys Church Portsea John REEVES and Ann TEE 13 Sept 1795

Hello Richard here are the full baptism details. Alverstoke CHU42/1A/3 baptised 24 January 1772 James Edward son of Alexander & Mary SMITH That's it! Linda and Tony I have a James Edward Smith Christened 24 Jan 1772 in Alverstoke and a James Smith Christened same date in Holy Trinity Gosport. The parents of both are Alexander Smith and Mary. Could SKS please look at the registers and confirm that these are the same, and if possible let me have more information on the parents Alexander and Mary. Many thanks -- Richard van Rooijen

Hello Jon here are the full marriage details. Alverstoke CHU42/1C/9 page 254 no 761 William ALBERY of this parish & Jane SPRAGGS of this parish were married in this church by banns with consent X The mark of James ALBERY the third of May 1818 by me George MILLS Curate signe Willaim ALBERY & X the mark of Jane SPRAGGS in the presence of X the mark of James ALBERY & X the mark of Charlotte STARES Hope it helps,Linda and Tony PS will send the Bramshott marriage off list On the IGI I found the marriage of William Albery and Jane Spraggs, May 3, 1818 at Alverstoke. do you have the full details please?

Hello Rod here she is in Anns Hillcemetery. page 14entry no 3311 Clarinda STILES Widow 77 years place where death occurred Richard Street Newtown buried Feb 9 1865 plot 132 consecrated Hope it helps,Linda and Tony Hello Tony and Linda, can I impose on you for a look up in the Alverstoke burial index, Clarinda Stiles Vol 2b Page 365 March 1865 as per Free BMD. She is my GGG Grandmother. Thank for all your help. Your fan in Cairns Rod Pashley.

Hello Rod no sign in Alverstoke or Anns Hill cemetery.: Linda and Tony Hello Tony , Linda and list could I ask for a look up for Thomas Oakley please Free BMD has an entry which should be him In Alverstoke Vol 2b Page 324 June 1880. Im looking for the second husband of my gggrandmother. As alway thank you . Your fan in Cairns.

Hello Sue have checked Forton St Johns and sorry to say no sign there either. Linda and Tony

On May 29 Rita Newton posted an enquiry ("Married by banns") concerning a wedding in St Thomas, Portsmouth, in 1801. I deleted the message so have broken the archive thread - sorry! One of the witnesses was Stephen HATCH. He was, I believe, the parish clerk of St Thomas. A Stephen H. is shown as such in Pigot's 1830 Directory, p. 215, with address at 112 High Street, Portsmouth. The same Stephen (or another?) is also listed in Pigot's as an ironmonger, with "Son", at the same address (112 High St) and also at 10 Wish Street, Southsea. Pigot's also lists: - Jane Hatch, boarding school or whatever, at 20 High Street, Portsmouth; - John Hatch, baker, grocer & tea dealer, Kingston Cross, Portsea; and - Robert Hatch, ironmonger, 4 Broad Street, Portsmouth. Parish clerking may have been a family "business" since William Hatch is shown in White's 1878 Directory (pp. 391, 421) as clerk of St Mary, Portsea - and also registrar of BMDs. Both Robert (the ironmonger?) and William Hatch witnessed marriages in my family tree. White's directory also lists: - Miss Charlotte Hatch, milliner, 15 Victoria Street, Landport - James Hatch, rigger, Dockyard, and - Joseph Hatch, cabinet maker etc., 12 Wilton Cottages, Marmion Road, Southsea. For the record, White's lists on p. 373 the registrars in Portsmouth: - For marriages: William Hatch & William Marshal; - For births and deaths: T. Batchelor for Portsmouth; J.A. Byerley for Portsea; J.L. Childs for Landport & Southsea; and William Hatch for Kingston. I believe it was not uncommon for clerks to witness marriages. All grist for someone's mill. Peter Gawn (Canada).

Sorry. Emily died 1898. Born c.1847 Ruth -----Original Message----- From: The Essad's [ <mailto:herbertpop.gollys@virgin.net> mailto:herbertpop.gollys@virgin.net] Sent: 31 May 2005 21:22 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] New To List Hi List, Is anyone interested in the surname PASSELLS. I have Marion PASSELLS born 1874 married Thomas SIMMONS in 1891 Portsea. Marion's parents, William PASSELLS born c.1845 and Emily Ann GILLIES born c.1898 married 1867 Portsea. William was a licensed victualler and 1891 address was The Gloucester House, Portsmouth. Ruth ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at <outbind://47/www.knightroots.co.uk> www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: <http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005

Hi List, Is anyone interested in the surname PASSELLS. I have Marion PASSELLS born 1874 married Thomas SIMMONS in 1891 Portsea. Marion's parents, William PASSELLS born c.1845 and Emily Ann GILLIES born c.1898 married 1867 Portsea. William was a licensed victualler and 1891address was The Gloucester House, Portsmouth. Ruth

Hi Linda and Tony Please could you do another of your great look ups St Marys Church Portsea John REEVES and Ann TEE 13 Sept 1795 They are parents of Esther Reeves who married George HOAR George and Esther had 17 children many of who lived in Portsea and Catherington area. Two, Mathew and Zephariah Mark emigrated to New Zealand in 1870's. Have been given a wealth of info from someone in New Zealand. I am interested in Ernest John Hoar who became known as John Hoar. He lived most of his married life in Hereford St Portsea .Any links out there?? Geraldine

Hi Linda and Tony, Thanks for info I had lived in hope of finding an earlier marriage c1776. Regards Jenny > >Hi Jenny >Most of the records have not survived. >The church was established in 1704 and the original registers for >christenings after 1887 & marriages after 1935 are still at the church. The >location of the earlier registers are not known. Many baptisms were >performed on board ship. >Transcripts of the christenings after 1887 and marriages after 1935 are at >Portsmouth Record Office (Ref 1409/A - 8,9 & 11) > >Hope this helps >Linda & Tony > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jenny Lucy [mailto:jennylucy133@hotmail.com] >Sent: 29 May 2005 23:16 >To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] St Anns Church Portsea > >Hi >Can anyone help me please. I am looking for the records bdm's for St Ann's >Church which was in the Dockyard. I am having trouble finding. Regards >Jenny > >_________________________________________________________________ >REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings >http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Don't go barking up the wrong tree be like a good chef and ALWAYS check >your SOURCES > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Over 80,000 jobs across all industries at Australia's #1 job site. http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail

Hi Jenny Most of the records have not survived. The church was established in 1704 and the original registers for christenings after 1887 & marriages after 1935 are still at the church. The location of the earlier registers are not known. Many baptisms were performed on board ship. Transcripts of the christenings after 1887 and marriages after 1935 are at Portsmouth Record Office (Ref 1409/A - 8,9 & 11) Hope this helps Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Lucy [mailto:jennylucy133@hotmail.com] Sent: 29 May 2005 23:16 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] St Anns Church Portsea Hi Can anyone help me please. I am looking for the records bdm's for St Ann's Church which was in the Dockyard. I am having trouble finding. Regards Jenny _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

If a minor got married by licence with consent of her mother in 1791, am I right in thinking she would have been between 14 and 21yrs old? Rita

Hello All I have a James Edward Smith Christened 24 Jan 1772 in Alverstoke and a James Smith Christened same date in Holy Trinity Gosport. The parents of both are Alexander Smith and Mary. Could SKS please look at the registers and confirm that these are the same, and if possible let me have more information on the parents Alexander and Mary. Many thanks -- Richard van Rooijen Can't we just take the warning labels off everything and let society's stupidity problem solve itself? For Views from my Windows, visit http://www.richvr.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

Just realized I left out a bit of information, namely the purpose of the canal. According to Pigot's 1830 Directory p. 205 the Portsmouth and Arundel Canal "is of considerable benefit to the trading community here [Portsea]; it was opened on the 28th May, 1823; at the distance of about 21 miles it joins Langstone harbour, which the barges cross by means of a steam-vessel, built for the purpose of towing them: on this canal barges will pass from Portsmouth to London, a distance of 117 miles, without transhipping their cargoes, in four days." This sounds like a quote from the promotional prospectus for the canal. The "considerable benefit" obviously didn't materialize since the canal closed in the following year. I imagine the expansion of the railway network and developments in shipping technology - steam engines, iron hulls - outweighed the potential benefits of the canal. The 1896 Ordnance Survey map, incidentally, shows houses only on the north side of Canal Walk, facing south across the Walk to the canal - or the railway. Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: "Peter Gawn" <pgawn@dccnet.com>; "Portsmouth Gosport List" <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: Canal Walk, Portsea > Dear Peter, That's excellent -- now we're all experts on Canal Walk. > > Much appreciated. > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Gawn" <pgawn@dccnet.com> > To: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com>; "Portsmouth Gosport List" > <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:58 PM > Subject: Re: Canal Walk, Portsea > > > Hi Edna, > > Yes, no - or maybe? > > The Portsmouth-Arundel Canal was opened in 1822. It ran more-or-less > eastward across Portsea Island from the terminal Basins in Landport just > north of the present Portsmouth & Southsea railway station and which were > located, as far as I can make out, between modern Arundel Street & Church > Path (drawing, Gates p. 27). To the east of Landport the canal crossed > mainly open land and ended in Langstone Harbour (map, Gates p. 256). This > 1833 map shows no hint of a path or road in the portion where Canal Walk now > runs. The only nearby roads between Landport and Milton were three that > crossed the canal at right angles. > > Canal traffic was "slight", and the "white elephant" that the canal quickly > became was closed in 1831 (Stapleton p. 35). The portion west of modern > Fratton railway station was sold to the Brighton and Chichester Railway in > 1845 (Stapleton, ibid). Vestiges of the eastern portion, including parts of > the sea lock, can still be seen, and in that portion "the towpaths and the > canal bed may be traced easily" (Stapleton - again!). > > The first railway on Portsea Island, which provided a direct link with > London, was opened in 1848 (Gates p. 51). The line then ended at Portsmouth > & Southsea station. The portion from Fratton to the "Town" station used the > line of the abandoned canal (Course p. 9). "In order to maintain its level > the canal had run in a cutting, and although the ground was only about 21 > feet above sea level the railway was constructed in the same cutting" > (Course p. 9-10). > > Canal Walk existed by 1896: by then the area between Landport and Fratton > had been extensively built on (OS Map). "On the map, both Canal Walk and > Railway View run along [alongside?] the railway track. Beyond the railway > line [to the east after it swings north] there is still [in 1896] a hint of > what the area to the west had once been like - there are cottages, lanes, > fields and brickworks" (Gunton). > > Construction of the railway followed years of controversy and of rivalry > amongst competing companies. It was finally authorized by an act of > Parliament which received royal assent in 1845 (Course, pp. 9-13). > > Discussion of the bill in committee demonstrated the vehement opposition of > the military, represented by Col Williams of the Engineers, to any extension > of the railway closer to Portsmouth Harbour: "The idea of a railroad being > brought either into a dockyard or near it appears to me so monstrous that I > cannot for a moment entertain it" (Course p. 11). Opposition to allowing > railway access to commercial dockside facilities in Portsmouth was > successfully mounted by the Board of Ordnance at different times in the 19th > century. Indirectly it was this that allowed Southampton, where such > opposition was not advanced, to develop into a major commercial port whereas > Portsmouth languished in this respect, supporting only a fishing fleet and > limited merchant shipping (Gawn p. 12). > > Given the name Canal Walk it seems that one could assume that the path > developed during the time the canal was in operation (1822-1831) but with > the limited sources I have here I can't substantiate this. > > In case anyone wants to follow up on any of this I give my sources: > - Course: Portsmouth Railways, Edwin Course, Portsmouth Paper No. 6, > Portsmouth City Council, 1972, 27 pages. > - Gates: City of Portsmouth: Records of the Corporation 1835-1927, William > Gates, Charpentier, Portsmouth, 1928, 339 pages. > - Gawn: Some Solent Ships and Seamen, Peter Gawn, Local Studies News, > Hampshire, Portsmouth and Southampton Library Services, Autumn 2000, pages > 11-13. > - Gunton: Notes by M.J. Gunton on the back of OS Map. > - OS Map: Old Ordnance Survey Maps: Central Portsmouth 1896, The Godfrey > Edition, ca 1993. > - Stapleton: The Portsmouth Region, Barry Stapleton & James Thomas, Alan > Sutton, Gloucester, 1989, 265 pages. > > Best wishes, > Peter Gawn (Canada). > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> > To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 6:24 PM > Subject: Canal Walk, Portsea > > > > Hi, Was Canal Walk at one time beside a canal? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > > > >

Found the history of Canal Walk very interesting. My maternal grandparents, Charles Newland Cheesman and Martha Cheesman(nee Farndell) lived at 34 Canal Walk. Their eldest daughter, my Aunt Grace, lived to over 100. Hope I inherited her genes............. John -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/05