Good site - may help you date those photos... http://www.cartes.fsnet.co.uk/ Edna - Ottawa

Hi, Would anyone on the Liverpool-L be able to help me out please -- looking for this photographer back in the 1900's Liverpool. Please contact me off-list. Thanks kindly, Edna ~ Ottawa

Hello Clive a BMD 1/4 isn't sufficient, we would need an EXACT date including year ie from the IGI and name/s, church and where it took place. Hope this helps,Linda and Tony Hi Linda and Tony I notice you do marriage look ups. How much info do you need for a look up?

Hello all for those who are trying to trace Catholic ancestors we have just come across this site for info etc and various links _www.catholic-history.org.uk/_ (http://www.catholic-history.org.uk/) Good luck,hope it helps,Linda & Tony

Hello Heather you will also find the address and fathers occupation. We can supply the full details from the fiche sometime over the weekend if it would help? Linda & Tony Checking on the Family Search site (LDS) it seems that Caroline - 1819 and Angelina 1825 COX were both christened at St Thomas, Portsmouth. Would the christening records give anymore details then given on the above site? and if so I can I check this out? Any help would be truly appreciated. Best wishes Heather

The 1871 census shows relatives of mine living in Weeke and the IGI has an extracted record for a son of the household being Christened at "Weeke Near Winchester, Hampshire, England" in 1863. Tanner's Winchester Directory, 1877 has the household still living at Newburgh Street, as in 1871, and also shows the head of the household as being an Overseer of St Mary's Church, Wyke. Now, were Wyke and Weeke one and the same place, or neighbouring villages or what? -- Jenny M Benson

Hello List, Is anyone researching the surname COX from Portsmouth? Caroline COX married into my HOSKING family in Kent in 1846. From details of the Kent 1851 census, Caroline states her place of birth as Portsmouth, Hants. From the marriage certificate, her father was JOHN COX a mariner, and one of the witnesses was ANGELINE/A or AUGUSTINE COX. If anyone can make a connection with this family, then I would love to hear from them. Also does anyone know if there is a surname index to purchase for the Portsmouth 1841 census? Many thanks and best wishes Heather

I am also researching (somewhat inactively) the surname Cox in Portsmouth, and area. My forebear was Ann Cox (b. 3 July 1784 or 1789 at Southsea according to an entry in the Bray family Bible which I have only seen in notes by my grandmother's first cousin, Miss Edith Bray Robertson, of Newmarket, Ontario) who married William Bray at St Mary's Portsea on 3 Jan. 1809. I have yet to see the banns or original marriage entry for them. Ann Cox was supposedly the daughter of a farmer of Southsea, possibly named Tom or Thomas Cox. I say this because her younger son was called Tom Cox Bray (1815-1881), while her elder son William (1814-1882), is my forebear. There was one other child, a daughter, Ann born in 1810, who apparently died young. According to family lore written up by Miss Robertson in 1965, William Bray who married Ann Cox, was a Captain in the Royal Navy. This is, I think, rubbish. I find him listed as a cordwainer or cabinetmaker in his children's baptisms at St Thomas à Becket Church of England parish church, Portsmouth (now the cathedral church of the diocese of Portsmouth). Anyway, by marrying Ann Cox, William was supposedly disowned by his father (?Charles Bray), a wealthy shipowner and landowner, for marrying 'beneath himself'. More rubbish I think, but for what reason was it invented. I am unlikely ever to find out. I believe William was baptised at St Mary's Portsea on 11 July 1790, the son of George Bray and his wife Ann, née Waggett, who were originally from the Isle of Wight. I believe he is the William Bray buried at St Thomas à Becket, Portsmouth on 5 November 1816. This would account for there being no further children born to this couple after 1815. The family story, however, continues with grandfather Bray offering to take on the children of his widowed daughter-in-law Ann Bray (née Cox), after Capt. Bray's death at sea circa 1821. Ann refused naturally as the offer of support did not include her. My ancestor, the elder son, William, ran off to sea at age 12, after refusing his grandfather's offer to come and live with him. He eventually rose to the non-commissioned rank of gunnery officer, R.N., and stayed on in Upper Canada, after leaving the Royal Navy there while on posting to Kingston (Point Frederick) with a flotilla of the Royal Navy serving on the Great Lakes during the Upper Canada rebellion (1838-1839). Meanwhile, his younger brother, Tom Cox Bray, was reconciled to mean old grandfather Bray (depending on how you look at things!), and allegedly inherited shares in a shipping line. What I do know is that T.C. Bray went out to Adelaide, South Australia right after acquiring a wife, Sarah Pink, whom he had married in St Mary's Portsea in 1838. He was a shoemaker, which means he followed in his father's true footsteps;). Later he returned to England a wealthy man, but how he actually became well-to-do is a mystery, as he certainly didn't get rich making shoes. Supposedly his grandfather's will had made him rich in the interval. His elder son went up to Cambridge, and became a parson. His younger surviving son stayed on in Adelaide and became a barrister, and eventually the first native-born premier of South Australia, Sir John Cox Bray (1842-1894). His grandson, Dr John Jefferson Bray (1912-1995), was Chief Justice of South Australia, and Chancellor of the University of Adelaide. My branch didn't fare quite so well where they settled, Adelaide village, Adelaide township, Western district (later Middlesex county), Canada West, United Province of the Canadas (later the province of Ontario), though the eldest son of the gunnery officer, Dr John Lang Bray (1841-1915), had an interesting medical career after graduating from Queen's University in Kingston in 1863. He joined the Confederate Army Surgeons Corps in Richmond, Virginia, C.S.A., and after the war returned to Canada, where he eventually became president of the Canadian Medical Association. His younger sister was my mother's maternal grandmother, Blanche Louisa Bray (1945-1934), Mrs James Large, maternal aunt of Miss Robertson, the compiler of the Bray and Cox notes, whom I met in the summer of 1973 on a trip across Canada with my mother during the summer holidays, and who left me a small legacy when she died aged 94, the following year. From that trip began my interest in genealogy. Finally, Ann Bray, née Cox, remarried to a Mr Winship. I haven’t found the marriage entry. She died on 30 March 1840 according to an newspaper death notice found by a researcher in Australia. Her residence was St George's Square, Portsea. She was buried in Portsea Island General cemetery on 3 April 1840. I don't know if her second husband or other relatives are buried there too. When her son William Bray was born in 1815 the family were living in Greek Street, Portsea, according to his naval record. Later on, they lived in White Horse Alley, Portsea. I hope that this is of interest. I don't know enough about the Coxes or Brays to say if there is a connexion or not. It would, of course, be great to find any additional information on the Cox and Bray families. BTW, the Bray lineage as recorded in "Burke's Colonial Gentry" (vol.2, p. 222), under 'Bray of Adelaide', is terribly garbled. The version given in the American supplement (1939) to Burke's Landed Gentry (1937), under Bray (submitted by Dr J.L. Bray's nephew, Professor William Crowell Bray, of U.C. Berkeley) is little better, and is based on the same family lore recorded by Miss Robertson that has been largely disproved through research. Richard Bray Carruthers, M.A. (Oxon.) Vancouver, British Columbia, CANADA. -----Original Message----- From: Heather Brown [mailto:heatherhosking@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: June 3, 2005 2:20 PM To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] COX - Portsmouth Hello List, Is anyone researching the surname COX from Portsmouth? Caroline COX married into my HOSKING family in Kent in 1846. From details of the Kent 1851 census, Caroline states her place of birth as Portsmouth, Hants. >From the marriage certificate, her father was JOHN COX a mariner, and one of the witnesses was ANGELINE/A or AUGUSTINE COX. If anyone can make a connection with this family, then I would love to hear from them. Also does anyone know if there is a surname index to purchase for the Portsmouth 1841 census? Many thanks and best wishes Heather ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Don't go barking up the wrong tree be like a good chef and ALWAYS check your SOURCES ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hello Jenny You may be better subscribing to this to _HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com) . There is no such parish as Wyke in Hampshire although there is a Wyke near Weymouth in Dorset. As regardsWeeke Winchester the main church is St Matthew with St Barnabus as a daughter church and St Paul as a chapel. There is no St Mary at Weeke. Hope this helps,Linda and Tony The 1871 census shows relatives of mine living in Weeke and the IGI has an extracted record for a son of the household being Christened at "Weeke Near Winchester, Hampshire, England" in 1863. Tanner's Winchester Directory, 1877 has the household still living at Newburgh Street, as in 1871, and also shows the head of the household as being an Overseer of St Mary's Church, Wyke. Now, were Wyke and Weeke one and the same place, or neighbouring villages or what? -- Jenny M Benson

Dear Linda & Tony, Can you possibly see if you have a christening in Alverstoke/Gosport for a Richard C. DOREY who I've found in the GRO as March Qtr 1914 with mother's name Berry - I was hoping a christening record would give parent's christian names so I could decide whether to get the cert. or not. Thanks a bunch! Rosemary

Yes, "I WAS JUST BEING A LITTLE MEAN WITH MY MONEY" thanks for reply I must say that this list along with my Glamorgan And Somerset are the most helpful and courteous. Many thanks for your time and effort Robert Alun Chick Penarth

Hello Robert no marriage would give the nationality. The marriage might say of this parish but that just means that they live in the parish for a minimum of 3 weeks. The reference you supply is for a 1/4 in that year and the DISTRICT of Portsea Island which unfortunately doen't help with a particular church, whether non conformist or not or registry office. The only way would be to order the certificate as there were many many churches at the time of the marriage concerned. Hope this helps a little,Linda and Tony Have struggled for along time to trace a marriage of a tree member JOHN WILLIAM BARNES (His Son WILLIAM JAMES BARNES married LEAH ELLEN CHICK my line.) Today I found the following on Ancestry.com MARRIAGE: BARNES JOHN W KAHLAHAR MARY E JUNE 1866 PORTSEA ISLAND HAMPSHIRE 2b 774 It was always assumed that KAHLAHAR was KEILER born abt 1846 QUEENSTOWN IRELAND so we have never found a marriage. I think this may be a break through. ANYWAY QUESTION apart from ordering Cert, what church, Reg office, parish reg are available to confirm MARY ELLEN'S Nationality Irish, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER + Can not find MARY or JOHN on 1861-1871 census returns either as KAHLAHAR or BARNES

Hello Colin. Thank you for the information that you sent us on the Pert & Howes Family's. It looks like we are related . My Father George Frederick Thomas Married Hilda Irene Bunnell who Died in 1938 when I was 2 Years old. Then he Married Queenie Mabel Howes in 1940. James Howes D.O.B.1880 was my Step Grandfather & James David Howes & Thirza Pert are my Step Great Grandparents. Queenie Mabel House had 4 Sisters & 3 Brothers Flo Howes (Over) Elsie Howes (Surrey) Rose Howes (Stafford) Nell Howes (Oldfield) Sidney Howes James Howes ------ Howes I think it was Fred. They all lived at 29 Strode Road Stamshaw Portsmouth. I Lived at 101 Strode Road Stamshaw. There is one bit if information that is holding us up at the moment. It is James Howes D.O.B.1880 Married a Linda Rose Billinger or Sarah Crane in 1902 we cannot finde out which one it was. Any Pictures or Certificates would be very much appreciaqted. Our Records that we got on the Computer at the moment go back to Alfred James Pert & Maria Hunt. But the information thatyou sent us will help us to Completely update the Pert & Howes Families. If there is any Information that we might haveon any of the Families you are Moast welcome to it. Thank you Again for all the information we can see the amount of hard work that you have done to get to where you are. Our Main Families are. Davis - McDermott - Harrison - Mallett Thomas - Bunnell - Pert - Howes and all the Branches. Thamk you Again Marian & Dave Perth OZ PS Cloin did you receive our e-mail of line Thankyou Dave & Matian Thomas Perth OZ

Have struggled for along time to trace a marriage of a tree member JOHN WILLIAM BARNES (His Son WILLIAM JAMES BARNES married LEAH ELLEN CHICK my line.) Today I found the following on Ancestry.com MARRIAGE: BARNES JOHN W KAHLAHAR MARY E JUNE 1866 PORTSEA ISLAND HAMPSHIRE 2b 774 It was always assumed that KAHLAHAR was KEILER born abt 1846 QUEENSTOWN IRELAND so we have never found a marriage. I think this may be a break through. ANYWAY QUESTION apart from ordering Cert, what church, Reg office, parish reg are available to confirm MARY ELLEN'S Nationality Irish, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER + Can not find MARY or JOHN on 1861-1871 census returns either as KAHLAHAR or BARNES First entry 1881 RG11/2535 109 p 15 Gloucester Have watched your list with interest and hope for some response. Many thanks Robert Alun Chick Penarth South Glamorgan.

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Tony and Linda, Thankyou for trying to find my Mary Jane Routledge in the Forton records. I will have to find out if she might have been christened elsewhere other than Gosport as suggested via census records! Ho, hum....the joys of genealogy! ;-) Anyway, thanks for your time and trouble! Regards, Sue --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

Hi, Tried to verify a death in GRO: William HELYER 1896 2b 254 Mile End, Portsmouth and couldn't locate him -- any suggestions? Edna - Ottawa

From my notes - Death of (GRO) Mary Ann HILLYER 1st Qtr 1896 1c 304 Mile End Age 77 Edna - Ottawa

Many thanks Linda and Tony ... That's what I've found. Was sort of hoping you had a bit more about the parents tucked away in that magic bag of yours. I now need a plan C. Thanks Knightroots@aol.com wrote: > > Hello Richard > here are the full baptism details. > > > Alverstoke CHU42/1A/3 > baptised 24 January 1772 James Edward son of Alexander & Mary SMITH > > That's it! > Linda and Tony > > > I have a James Edward Smith Christened 24 Jan 1772 in Alverstoke and a > James Smith Christened same date in Holy Trinity Gosport. The parents of > both are Alexander Smith and Mary. > > Could SKS please look at the registers and confirm that these are the > same, and if possible let me have more information on the parents > Alexander and Mary. > > Many thanks > -- Rich Can't we just take the warning labels off everything and let society's stupidity problem solve itself? For Views from my Windows, visit http://www.richvr.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/