Hi, I noticed on Streetmap that the postal code was the same for both Alverstoke and Gosport but different for Portsmouth. Edna - Ottawa

P.S. There is also a Green Lane, Portsmouth - check Streetmap... Edna - Ottawa --- ----- Original Message ----- From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Green Lane, where is it? Hi everyone, Can sks give any assistance in locating "Green Lane" in the Gosport / Portsmouth areas please? Both the bride and groom were living in Green Lane when they were married at St Mary's Portsea in 1840. The parish details don't say that they were of that parish though. The families have strong Gosport connections, but even using a street index, there doesn't appear to be a Green Lane in Alverstoke, a number of Green other things though! any assistance gratefully recieved. regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 6/24/05 ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to visit to meet up with old relatives ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ -- Going with the Streetmap site, it seems to be one and the same... Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Green Lane, where is it? Hi everyone, Can sks give any assistance in locating "Green Lane" in the Gosport / Portsmouth areas please? Both the bride and groom were living in Green Lane when they were married at St Mary's Portsea in 1840. The parish details don't say that they were of that parish though. The families have strong Gosport connections, but even using a street index, there doesn't appear to be a Green Lane in Alverstoke, a number of Green other things though! any assistance gratefully recieved. regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 6/24/05 ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to visit to meet up with old relatives ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Good morning everyone, Will on the Devon list just told everyone of a brilliant way of searching not only the rootsweb site, but in fact any site from google.com For example, if you want to search the rootsweb website for occurances of knightroots you would go to the google search page and type in: +knightroots +site:rootsweb.com if you wanted to restrict your search to the Portsmouth Gosport section of rootsweb, you would type: +knightroots +portsmouth gosport +rootsweb.com I tried searching for a keyword on my own genealogy website (albray.co.uk) and had 3 pages worth of google search results! This is an extremely useful technique! regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 6/24/05

1851 Census Living at Upper Hardway, Alverstoke Robert Knight, Head, Married, born abt 1794 (57) Emsworth, Boatswain RN Ann Knight, Wife, Married, born abt 1802 (49) gosport Hannah Knight, Mother, widow, born abt 1773 (78) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 6/24/05

hello to all who helped with my baptism thankyou all i have forward to my friend who i now will be very pleased wishing U all a lovely weekend Marian In perth W /A

. > Good morning, > > Searching for info. on Rob Roy Marshall McGREGOR, b. Sussex 25.9.1896, d. 7.4.1969 Q.A. Hospital, Portsmouth. Married Ivy BULSTRODE b. 25.9.1900 Hampshire, d. September 1971 Portsmouth. Only D/C has name Marshall showing. At time of death was living 89 Ramsdale Avenue, Leigh Park, Havant. Son Roy witness and living at same address. > > Regards, Joan. Sydney. Aust. > >

Linda and Tony, Thankyou so much. It certainly does help..... Elaine

Hi Sarah thanks for your reply. On this occasion, I did actually obtain the death certificate from the local registrar at Fareham, but I guess it could be worth asking them? Thanks again, kind regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/05

Linda and Tony wrote: "The certificate should be an exact copy Jon" The word there is *should*. A cousin of mine received a copy of a death certificate from the GRO with the informant shown as 'Elizabeth Carter, Widow of deceased, Daughter-in-Law, Present at the death, Shirland'. This served only to confuse us, as we couldn't understand how someone could be both the widow and daughter-in-law (or possibly meaning step-daughter at that time). His wife was Elizabeth and there was a known daughter-in-law called Elizabeth Carter. A few months later I ordered some other certificates from Chesterfield RO, Derbyshire, which covers the above Shirland. I enquired about the informant on the certificate. I received a telephone call to say that in their original registers, the words 'widow of the deceased' had been crossed out. This explained everything and obviously was an error in the copying from the RO's registers to the GRO copy. So, what I'm saying is that if the certificate you obtained was from the GRO, maybe you could check with the relevent register office to see if their register contains exactly the same information? Hope that helps, Sarah -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 23/06/2005

Certificate exchange site where you can list your unwanted certs:~ http://bmd-cert-exch-site.ourwardfamily.com Edna - Ottawa

----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Brickwall > > If Genge WILLIAMS and not George ? then there was something a year or so > back would be in the archives of the list and believe the details were that he > was a publican running The White Swan or Horse Forton. OK thanks both, will have a dig through the archives, can't remember that at all. So, maybe a possiblity that elizabeth did remarry or just take on his name? The certificate I have for Elizabeth's death is typed out, not handwritten. So what the original says is anyone's guess? any way of having that checked out do you know? BTW Forton is spot on for the area where Elizabeth was living in 1861. Cheers, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/05

Hello Mark here are the full marriage details. Alverstoke CHU42/1C/18 page 115 no 230 May 2nd 1849 Thomas CHEESEMAN, of full age, Bachelor, Gunner R.M.A., Forton & Jane ADAMs, of full age, Spinster, Forton, married in the parish church after banns, fathers Thomas CHESEMAN,Labourer & Job ADAMS, Labourer, in the presence of Rd LACY & Rhoda MERRETT: Hope it helps,Linda and Tony

Hello Elaine here are the full marriage details. St Mary's Portsea CHU3/1D/35 page 18 no 32 Benjamin POLAND , Bachelor & Mary Ann SHIRVELL,Spinster of this parish were married in this church by banns 29th Feb 1836 both X signed their mark, in the presence of Hannah LOVELL & ???? CHU3/1D/44 page 90 no 179 January 12 1846 James SHIRVELL,Bachelor, Seaman HMS Excellent & Elizabeth BOND,full age, Spinster,Unicorn St married in this church by banns, James SHIRVELL X signed his mark & Elizabeth signed, fathers Thomas SHIRVELL,Seaman & John BOND,Seaman, in the presence of Elizabeth BIRTHBRIDGE & John BOND St Thomas' Portsmouth CHU2/1C/15 page 112 no 224 14th January 1849 John ALDY, full age, Bachelor, Seaman, HMS Excellent & Elizabeth SHERVILL, full age, Spinster, St Mary St, marrried by banns, signed J ALDY & X ???? too faded! (disappeared).. Hope they help,Linda and Tony

For those who have been on the list some time now, you'll be used to the surname Albray...no doubt! Known variants so far in this family line are Allberry, Aldbury, Aubery, Aubrey, Albray and Allbray. I am currently stuck at the birth of Rhoda Allberry at Fareham on June 3, 1843. She was the daughter of George Allberry and Elizabeth Parsons (formerly child). Rhoda was christened on September 3, 1843 again at Fareham, and it would appear that between those dates George and Elizabeth were married, as Parsons isn't recorded on the christening details. They had another 2 children to my knowledge, James (b Jan 4, 1846) and Henry (b Dec 17, 1847 who was my wife's great grandfather). Not only does the family's name change from Allbray to Williams between the 1851 and 1861 censuses, but George appears to have died. There appears to be no marriage certificate for them though, no death certificate for George, and no marriage certificate for Elizabeth to someone by the name of williams. George was shown as being 53 in 1851, and born in an unidentifyable place, Reagal, possibly in Sussex. Even though close spellings have been found in various parts of the country, none have yet led to the discovery of his birthplace or his parents and sibblings. In all birth and marriage details for his children, he was constantly referred to as a labourer, with one exception on his son Henry's marriage certificate where he was said to be a seaman. I would dearly love to find him on the 1841 census, where he should be around 43 yrs old, and hopefully in the Fareham area. Elizabeth was still using the surname Williams in 1887 when she died at the age of 79. Her death certificate states she was the widow of Genge Williams, another name that totally eludes me. If anyone can shed any light at all on this family, I would be eternally grateful. Kind regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/05

Well Su said she saw some lightning this morning, but I have to be honest, I didn't see any???? Plenty of water up here, but thankfully not enough in this local area to have caused too much problem. It's been very pleasant up here since late morning, quite a nice afternoon with just the odd little spot or two of rain, but nothing worth mentioning. I'd better not say too much in case we get another helping of the thunderstorms? I had a letter from the local optician this morning, telling me that they note they haven't seen me in a number of years, and encouraged me to make an appointment so that I could enjoy a continued quality of vision????? I think they may be just a little too late??? By about 20 years?? Mind you, it may be worth a shot, it could help me see those ancestors that I can't seem to find anywhere! Take care all, Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Hello > Hello all uk residents and visitors hope that you're all ok out there and > keeping your heads above water and that the thunder & lightning isn't getting > to be much of a pain. > Stay safe Linda and Tony > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/05

Would anyone have access to this Dictionary... Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 T. C. J. WORTH Monmouthshire Chamber - Craigie Dictionary Of National Biography CRA pg. 1363 Please answer off-list... Thanks, Edna - Ottawa

The certificate should be an exact copy Jon hope this helps,Linda and Tony OK thanks both, will have a dig through the archives, can't remember that at all. So, maybe a possiblity that elizabeth did remarry or just take on his name? The certificate I have for Elizabeth's death is typed out, not handwritten. So what the original says is anyone's guess? any way of having that checked out do you know? BTW Forton is spot on for the area where Elizabeth was living in 1861.

If Genge WILLIAMS and not George ? then there was something a year or so back would be in the archives of the list and believe the details were that he was a publican running The White Swan or Horse Forton. Linda and Tony widow of Genge Williams, another name that totally eludes me.

Take from another lister... Edna - Ottawa -----------------> For those with an interest in such matters the National Archives are offering a free download of Lord Nelson's Will - some 50+ images by the looks of things!! http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=1837427&queryType=1&resultcount=1 The Will of Lord Horatio Nelson dated 10 May 1803. Includes six codicils dated 13 May 1803, 6 September 1803, 19 February 1804, 4 April 1804, 19 April 1804, and 11 September 1805; private letter relating to second codicil, dated 6 September 1803; private diary containing codicil dated 21 October 1805 and proved 11 July 1806; and two affidavits, one by William, Lord Merton and John Tyson, dated 18 December 1805, and one by Rev. Alexander John Scott, dated 30 June 1806. Proved 23 December 1805.