The Honourable Sir John Cox Bray (1842-1892), K.C.M.G., J.P., was born in East Adelaide, South Australia, on 31 May 1842, the second of the four sons (with two daughters) of early immigrants to the new colony. His father, Tom Cox Bray (1815-1881), was a native of Portsmouth, Hampshire, and his mother, Sarah Pink (1813-1877), was from the same county. The couple was married at St Mary's parish church, Portsea, Hampshire, on 22 July 1838, just prior to their embarkation for Australia in the "Prince George". In the early years in Adelaide, T.C. Bray worked as a shoemaker, following in the footsteps of his own father, William Bray, who, rather than being a captain in the Royal Navy as is traditionally claimed, in fact, worked as a cordwainer and cabinet maker prior to his early death in 1816, aged about 26 years. The Bray family appears to have moved to the Portsmouth area from the Isle of Wight, in contradiction to the very garbled accounts of their origins to be found in Burke's Colonial Gentry (1891-1895), volume 2, under "Bray of Adelaide", and in the American Supplement (1939) to Burke's Landed Gentry (1937 edition), under "Bray" (covering the career and descent of Professor William Crowell Bray, head of the Chemistry department at the University of California at Berkeley, who belonged to the Canadian branch of the Bray family which had been established in Upper Canada in 1839 by William Bray, J.P. (1814-1882), a gunnery officer in the Royal Navy, and the elder brother of T.C. Bray). Educated at the Collegiate School of St Peter, Adelaide, and in England, Bray read law in South Australia, and was called to the South Australian Bar in November 1870. Meanwhile, his parents, elder brother and sisters returned to England, due to an improvement in their circumstances said to be the result of T.C. Bray's having inherited shipping interests from his paternal grandfather, George Bray. The family lived in comfort first at Blackheath in Kent, and later at Harrogate, the Yorkshire spa town in which Mrs Bray died. The elder son, Thomas William Bray (1840-1887), was sent to Clare College, Cambridge, and later became an Anglican clergyman. He was father of Sir Denys de Saumarez Bray (1875-1951), K.C.S.I., K.C.I.E., C.B.E., sometime Foreign Secretary to the Government of India, and Indian delegate to the League of Nations during the British colonial period. T.C. Bray lived the rest of his life as a gentleman, moving to Kilmacolm, Renfrewshire in Scotland, where he had descendants in the mid 1980s. He died in Scotland and his will was proved in Scotland and South Australia. In Adelaide, J.C. Bray practised only briefly as a solicitor, before being elected to the South Australian House of Assembly as M.P. for East Adelaide in December 1871, a constituency he was to hold until his retirement from politics on 6 January 1892. He served as Minister of Justice and Minister of Education in the 3rd Blyth ministry (15 March 1875-3 June 1875). He also served as Attorney-General (June 1876-26 October 1877) in the Colton ministry, when he was responsible for introducing an "Act to Provide for the formation and registration of trades unions", the first such legislation in Australia. He served as Leader of the Opposition to the Morgan ministry (October 1877-24 June 1881), and Premier and Chief Secretary of the Province of South Australia (24 June 1881-23 April 1884), and Premier and Treasurer of South Australia (23 April 1884-16 June 1884). At the time, he was the longest-serving premier of the colony. He visited England and the United States from 1884 to 1885, returning to serve as Chief Secretary of South Australia (14 October 1885 to June 1887), and Treasurer (8 June 1886-7 June 1887) in the first Downer ministry. He was acting Premier during Downer's absence in England until June 1887. Due to his popularity, Bray was elected Speaker (served 31 May 1888-June 1890), after which he refused renomination to that office. He was Chief Secretary in the 2nd Playford ministry (19 August 1890-6 January 1892), when he left politics. Bray attended the Sydney Intercolonial Conference in 1883, and was one of seven South Australian reprentatives at the first Federal Convention at Sydney in 1891. He was appointed Agent General for South Australia in London (served 29 February 1892 to April 1894), resigning early because of ill health. On 13 June 1894, he died at sea between Aden and Colombo aboard the "Oceana" en route for South Australia. His obituary appeared in the London Times of 19 June 1894. Bray was created a Knight Commander of the Order of St Michael and St George by Queen Victoria in the New Year's Honours List for 1890. His wife, Alice, Lady Bray, née Hornabrook, survived him until 1935. They had three sons and one daughter. The youngest son, Harry Midwinter Bray, an Adelaide stock broker, was the father of the Honourable Dr John Jefferson Bray (1912-1995), a poet, lawyer and judge who served as Chief Justice of South Australia and Chancellor of the University of Adelaide. Bray's only daughter married Sir John Lavington Bonython (1875-1960), sometime Lord Mayor of Adelaide, and member of the well-known family of newspaper proprietors. Bray's descendants continue to include people prominent in Australian politics and the judiciary. Bray was the first native-born South Australian to serve as premier, speaker, and agent-general for the colony. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bray" Contributor: Richard Bray Carruthers, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Many thanks Linda & Tony Stacey ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] BUTLIN: Marriage Look Up St Thomas > > Hello Stacey > here are the full marriage details. > > St Thomas Portsmouth CHU2/1C/10 > page 253 no 757 Richard GALWAY of HMS Jupiter a bachelor and Maria BUTLIN > of > this parish spinster were married in this church by banns 3rd February > 1834 X > signed the mark of Rd GALWAY and Maria BUTLIN signed, i n the presence of > William MULVANEY and Elizabeth - - EVINEY?? > > Hope it helps,Linda and Tony > > Would somebody please be able to look up a marriage for me please, once > again it is my nemesis Butlin line, getting so frustrated with this family > I'm > trying any tangent that comes along. > > Maria Butlin & Richard Galway 3/2/1834 St Thomas Portsea > > > > > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to > visit to meet up with old relatives > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Thanks for the responses to my query, especially Paul's re French wars & Drovers. That could well have been a case. He was working as a Master Builder, and there would have been masses of work with Gosport expanding. Thanks all Rita

----- Original Message ----- From: Syd and Judy Hockey To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: Re: CHARLOTTE ABRAHAM, Hello Tony&Linda I am trying to find the birth of CHARLOTTE ABRAHAM ALVERSTOKE 1811/12, I have found a entry for 1804 so I am not sure if this is the CHARLOTTE I want or if there were 2 CHARLOTTES, When you have time would you look at the records that you have, also she was married ALVERSTOKE 1835 to JOHN READ from SOUTHAMPTON . Thank you for your time. Best wishes, Syd Hockey.

Hi Stacey I don't have any details for what the Jupiter (employed as a troop ship by this time) was doing in 1834, but you can see a few details regarding the ship itself at: http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/I/02553.html Regards Paul On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 04:48:13 EDT, Knightroots@aol.com wrote: > >Hello Stacey >here are the full marriage details. > >St Thomas Portsmouth CHU2/1C/10 >page 253 no 757 Richard GALWAY of HMS Jupiter a bachelor and Maria BUTLIN of >this parish spinster were married in this church by banns 3rd February 1834 X > signed the mark of Rd GALWAY and Maria BUTLIN signed, i n the presence of >William MULVANEY and Elizabeth - - EVINEY?? > >Hope it helps,Linda and Tony > >Would somebody please be able to look up a marriage for me please, once >again it is my nemesis Butlin line, getting so frustrated with this family I'm >trying any tangent that comes along. > >Maria Butlin & Richard Galway 3/2/1834 St Thomas Portsea > > > > > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to visit to meet up with old relatives > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Donald Agree with Rita regards Coastguard personnel records, but don't expect instant results ; she's a busy lady, and judging by the number of years I hear she's been doing it can't be a spring chicken ! But for news on what activities the coastguard station might have been involved in during this period I expect local newspapers will probably be your best avenue of research, and I appreciate where you live. Major rescues etc., if any, might have reached the national papers (regret nothing in the Times as far as I can see), but the day to day cliff rescues and other more mundane activities are probably recorded locally, but you should appreciate that the UK Coastguard has a much lower profile than on your side of the Pond, and might perhaps be compared, at least today, with the police, fire and ambulance services - the only difference then, being that the coastguard came under the Royal Navy, until about 1922. Although steam was becoming far more reliable by this time, and there were far fewer marine accidents, there were still quite a few sailing craft plying their trade around the World and Lyme Bay, being on a lee shore, was still a marine accident "black spot" for vessels plying the English Channel in bad weather. Regards Paul Isle of Portland, Dorset - on the opposite side of Lyme Bay to Budleigh Salterton,. On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:11:41 EDT, Grunty@aol.com wrote: >My relative, Frederick George Woods of Gosport was posted to the Coast Guard >Station, Budleigh Salterton, Devonshire. His tour of duty there was >somewhere between 1900 to 1910 and he apparently lived within the confines of the >station with his wife Rhoda (nee Titheridge) and their daughters. > >Try as hard as I may, I can't find any references to the station or it's >history. I can't even find a local or county historical society to contact. I >emailed the Coast Guard and was referred to another office - which never >replied to my inquiry. > >I would appreciate ANY help or direction. > >Donald Wood >Portland, Oregon > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect > >Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

A good site! http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/hantsmap/hantsmap/townnam1.htm Edna - Ottawa

An excellent site -- http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

Hi Donald Join the Coastguard Forum at "British Genealogy" - don't have the full web address - but do a Google and you'll find it. A couple of them have databases of Coastguards and might have some info on Frederick Woods. There is a researcher Mrs Eileen Stage, who also specialises in Coastguards, she charges just her expenses & she recently found records for 2 of my PRIEST mob who were Coastguards in Sussex and Portsmouth - charges were about £25.00 for masses of information & copies of Naval records as well. She is listed on the West Middlesex Family History Society Website. If you can't find it, contact me off list and I'll find her address. Don't expect instant results - the papers arrived about 14 months after I first wrote to her, she is a very busy lady! As he was still in service in 1910 - would any records of his be covered by a 100 year restriction or anything - It is just a thought. Hope that helps Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: <Grunty@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:11 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Slightly off topic > My relative, Frederick George Woods of Gosport was posted to the Coast Guard > Station, Budleigh Salterton, Devonshire. His tour of duty there was > somewhere between 1900 to 1910 and he apparently lived within the confines of the > station with his wife Rhoda (nee Titheridge) and their daughters. > > Try as hard as I may, I can't find any references to the station or it's > history. I can't even find a local or county historical society to contact. I > emailed the Coast Guard and was referred to another office - which never > replied to my inquiry. > > I would appreciate ANY help or direction. > > Donald Wood > Portland, Oregon > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect > > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Good morning Bazzer, Thank you so much for all that information - I cannot believe my luck. I would appreciate the list of McGregor cremations if it is not too much trouble. There were about 11 children and thanks to people like you, Tony Linda and other subscribers I am slowly discovering what happened to them - sometimes I think I will give up and then I receive messages like this one. Thank you again, Kind regards, Joan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bazzer" <baz@baz2000.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] McGregor > Hi Joan, > Rob Roy (Marshall) McGregor's death was registered in Portsmouth on > 8/4/1969 he was aged 72. He was cermated at Portchester Crematorium on > 11/4/1969. His ashes were placed in the West border East of pine tree. > His (Son ?) Roy of the same address requested the cremation. Ref No > 27783.There is no memorial in the book of remembance. As I left the office > the assistant ran after me as he saw more information! Roy McGregor (son > ?)of the same address, died on 30/3/1988 aged 67 at St Marys Hospital. He > was cremated on 14/4/1988 the death was registered on 31/3/1988 at > Portsmouth ?. The cremation (Ref No 98345)was requested by his brother > David (addresses of Roy & David were not given to me. The Crem' will only > confirm information that you already know sorry. Roys ashes are scattered > in the same place by request. I have a list of (as spelt this way) > MCGREGOR's cremations at Portchecter if it helps > Regards > Bazzer > Portchester > Fareham > Hampshire > www.clarkeology.com----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norm & Joan Colmer" <n_j_colmer@bigpond.com> > To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:01 AM > Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] McGregor > > >> Good afternoon, >> >> Not having much luck with my enquiries re: Rob Roy Maxwell McGregor who >> d.7.4.1969 Queen Alexandra Hospital, Portsmouth. His address prior to >> that was 89 Ramsdale Avenue, Leigh Park, Havant. Does anyone have any >> idea as to which cemeteries are close to these addresses, please? >> >> Regards, Joan. Sydney. Australia. >> >> >> ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >> practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T >> SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8 - Release Date: 30/06/2005 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/41 - Release Date: 05/07/2005 > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hello Martin here are the full details of the 2 marriages. St Mary's Portsea CHU3/1D/43 page 231 no 462 September 7th 1845 William Robert WILLCOCKS,full age, Bachelor, Grocer, Gt Southsea St and Elizabeth CHALKLEY, Minor, Spinster, Commercial Road, married by banns, fathers William WILLCOCKS,Smith and Edward CHALKLEY,Mason, in the presence of Elizabeth CHALKLEY and William W???? WILLCOCKS CHU3/1D/56 page 94 no 188 March 22 1858 William Robert WILLCOCKS, 32, Widower, Baker and Grocer , Conway Street and Sarah GILES, 28, Spinster, Conway Street, both signed, fathers William WILLCOCKS,Foreman of Smiths and George GILES,Office Clerk???, in the presence of Elizabeth GILES and Wm WILLCOCKS The second witness you mention in your e-mail wasn't easy to be sure of hence the ? before but when you know what you're looking for ie Wm it does indeed look like Wm.Unfortunately the fiche is quite dark so not so easy to read but hope the above helps,Linda and Tony

Hello Stacey here are the full marriage details. St Thomas Portsmouth CHU2/1C/10 page 253 no 757 Richard GALWAY of HMS Jupiter a bachelor and Maria BUTLIN of this parish spinster were married in this church by banns 3rd February 1834 X signed the mark of Rd GALWAY and Maria BUTLIN signed, i n the presence of William MULVANEY and Elizabeth - - EVINEY?? Hope it helps,Linda and Tony Would somebody please be able to look up a marriage for me please, once again it is my nemesis Butlin line, getting so frustrated with this family I'm trying any tangent that comes along. Maria Butlin & Richard Galway 3/2/1834 St Thomas Portsea

Hello Shirley here are the full baptism details. St Mary's Portsea CHU3/1B/11 page 83 no 657 baptised August 29 1824 Wiliam Witteridge son of William and Charlotte AYLMER Grigg St Mariner Hope it helps,Linda and Tony : If possible I would be grateful if you could check the baptism of William Witteridge AYLMER at St. Mary's Portsea on 29 August 1824 The IGI says his father is William AYLMER but his marriage certificate states George AYLMER as his father. I just wondered if there was any more info Thanks for all your help Shirley

Hello Jon here are the full marriage details. CHU2/1C/20 St Thomas Portsmouth page 93 no 185 16th April 1870 James HABEN full age Widower Miller Parish of Soberton County of Southampton and Mary Ann BENNISON full age Spinster 17 St Thomas Street married by licence both signed fathers were James HABEN Miller and Valentine BENNISON Convict Department in the presence of John ??? BENNISON and Sarah Ann C - - ES?? Hope it helps Linda and Tony any chance of a lookup for this marriage please? James Haben and Mary Ann Bennison April 16, 1870 St Thomas, Portsmouth

Hello Donald have you searched online at National Archives PRO CAT for him? If his records are at Kew where the Coastguard records are kept he should hopefully be online there in the catalogue index. Hope this helps,Linda and Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: <Grunty@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Slightly off topic My relative, Frederick George Woods of Gosport was posted to the Coast Guard Station, Budleigh Salterton, Devonshire. His tour of duty there was somewhere between 1900 to 1910 and he apparently lived within the confines of the station with his wife Rhoda (nee Titheridge) and their daughters. Try as hard as I may, I can't find any references to the station or it's history. I can't even find a local or county historical society to contact. I emailed the Coast Guard and was referred to another office - which never replied to my inquiry. I would appreciate ANY help or direction. Donald Wood Portland, Oregon

Hi, You should give his birth yr. like 1869 and birth town, like Gosport, or he might still live there, he might be on a Vessel in 1901 - have you tried the Census for that year? Good Luck, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <grunty@aol.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Slightly off topic Perhaps you should subscribe to the Devon-L... Cheers, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: <Grunty@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Slightly off topic My relative, Frederick George Woods of Gosport was posted to the Coast Guard Station, Budleigh Salterton, Devonshire. His tour of duty there was somewhere between 1900 to 1910 and he apparently lived within the confines of the station with his wife Rhoda (nee Titheridge) and their daughters. Try as hard as I may, I can't find any references to the station or it's history. I can't even find a local or county historical society to contact. I emailed the Coast Guard and was referred to another office - which never replied to my inquiry. I would appreciate ANY help or direction. Donald Wood Portland, Oregon ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Try googling..... Edna - Ottawa >>>>>>>>>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valhender/dirtrans/mor1870/budleigh.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <Grunty@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Slightly off topic My relative, Frederick George Woods of Gosport was posted to the Coast Guard Station, Budleigh Salterton, Devonshire. His tour of duty there was somewhere between 1900 to 1910 and he apparently lived within the confines of the station with his wife Rhoda (nee Titheridge) and their daughters. Try as hard as I may, I can't find any references to the station or it's history. I can't even find a local or county historical society to contact. I emailed the Coast Guard and was referred to another office - which never replied to my inquiry. I would appreciate ANY help or direction. Donald Wood Portland, Oregon ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Linda and Tony If possible I would be grateful if you could check the baptism of William Witteridge AYLMER at St. Mary's Portsea on 29 August 1824 The IGI says his father is William AYLMER but his marriage certificate states George AYLMER as his father. I just wondered if there was any more info Thanks for all your help Shirley

My relative, Frederick George Woods of Gosport was posted to the Coast Guard Station, Budleigh Salterton, Devonshire. His tour of duty there was somewhere between 1900 to 1910 and he apparently lived within the confines of the station with his wife Rhoda (nee Titheridge) and their daughters. Try as hard as I may, I can't find any references to the station or it's history. I can't even find a local or county historical society to contact. I emailed the Coast Guard and was referred to another office - which never replied to my inquiry. I would appreciate ANY help or direction. Donald Wood Portland, Oregon

Hi All: Elizabeth J WILLCOCKS was the only daughter of William Robert WILLCOCKS and Elizabeth CHALKLEY, who married on 7 Sep 1845 at St. Mary's, Portsea. In the 1861 census she is shown, age 9, b. Portsmouth, Hants, with her father and stepmother, Sarah Jemima WILLCOCKS (nee GILES) who was the daughter of George GILES and his first wife, believed to be Elizabeth BLAKE. I cannot find her on FreeBMD, as the 1851 and 1852 images are not yet available, and no transcriptions are yet on FreeBMD. Could SKS with a subscription to 1837online please check whether there is a GRO reference for her there? There is also no christening on the IGI for any Elizabeth WILLCOCKS (phonetic) between 1850 and 1853 in Hampshire. All help gratefully appreciated Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA.