I wonder if this site would be helpful... documentsonline@pro.gov.uk Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "PMR" <cliveden@acenet.net.au> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 3:03 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Early Burials - ROBINS Hello Listers I've been checking information I have stored on various ROBINS Wills. When I was in Winchester in 1992, I took note of early ROBINS Wills as follows: 1544 Willmus ROBINS de Winton 1562 Georgius ROBINS de Portsmouth 1576 ffranciscus ROBINS de Portsmouth 1577 Rogerus ROBINS de Quit Winton (Book 1, Folio 128). I have traced my ROBINS line back to a Will of John ROBINS proved in 1672. His date of birth was possibly around 1610. He married firstly (name unknown) before about 1635 and had two sons, John and Thomas. I'm descended through the latter. He married secondly to Alice (surname unknown) - from her Will it is clear that she is not the mother of John's two sons. In John's Will signed 24 Apr 1671, he describes himself as 'Mariner of Gosport'. Thomas, in his Will signed 7 Apr 1697, describes himself as 'Shipwright of Gosport'. It is thought that Thomas married Ann (surname unknown) around 1658. I don't have the Wills for Willmus, Georgius., ffrancicus or Rogerus. I think I ran out of time back in Winchester. If anyone can point me in the right direction for any of these queries, I'd be grateful. I can't find Winton on Parish Locator. Many thanks. Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia. ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Granny SMITHs aren't just the name of an apple they are in many a family tree too ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I believe that anyone who died as a result of the war would be mentioned even if they did not die until sometime afterwards. The "Debt of Honour Register" is the Commission's database listing the 1.7 million men and women of the Commonwealth forces who died during the two world wars and the 23,000 cemeteries, memorials and other locations world-wide where they are commemorated. The register can also be searched for details of the 67,000 Commonwealth civilians who died as a result of enemy action in the Second World War. My husband's cousin age 10 years was killed by a V2 rocket in 1944. His details are on the Register. Anyone having a relative killed during the 2nd world war should be able to find details on the Register. Jean.

Hi Paul, Many thanks for your answer, I was very pleased to get it. The possibility of an on-call maintenance man is worth my thinking about. Nicholas COURTNELL is about 52, could be 55, in 1851. I have always thought people had to work until much older than now in former times, but maybe not always. He has a 2nd, or even 3rd young family in 1851, so perhaps needed to supplement his income if he was already on a pension. I know there's little chance of finding the facts, but it is an interesting thought. Thankyou for taking the time to pass on the information. Although I had heard of the telegraph system of old it was super to see the contraption by the Museum. Best wishes, Sally -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11 - Release Date: 08/07/2005

Hi Sally FWIW - you probably have two RN signal stations at Portsmouth, and a repeater at Portsdown and regular points inland, at about this period - with two shortly to disappear or having already done so ie the one that had linked Portsmouth with the Admiralty in London since the Napoleonic Wars - replaced by that new electric thingy - known around that period as the magnetic telegraph, amongst many other things ;-) - and the main signal station (mso) in the dockyard - now near South Railway Jetty - that passed messages out to ships lying at Spithead and at the Motherbank - the anchorage and quarantine ground in the lee of the Isle of Wight - though the mso would have probably used flags around this period - I don't think cones and the mechanical semaphore as seen on ships etc. at the turn of the 19th/20th Centuries, came into until much later - but to be honest, I wouldn't have thought they would require the constant attention of a blacksmith - maybe occasionally, but not as a full time occupation - although he might have been "on call" in the event of breakdowns in the Portsmouth to Admiralty system - which would have had quite a high priority ? On the other hand I can offer no other logical answer. Regret my answer ignores any signal stations that may have been used by the army at its various locations in the area. Regards Paul On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:39:33 +0100, "Sally Harnett" <sally.harnett@homecall.co.uk> wrote: >Hello, > Could anyone offer opinions on this description of trade-- "single >stationer" ? > >I have Nicholas COURTNELL on certificates and census as: 1843 blacksmith; >1844 smith; 1851 single stationer; 1861 superannuated smith. >Blacksmith, Smith and Superannuated Smith are self explanatory, but I am >puzzled by the other. My thoughts vere towards Signal Station-- especially >since seeing the telegraph system outside the Museum in Portsmouth whilst >visiting for the IFOS--(wonderful!). Would this system have been in use at >that late date, and would it have needed maintenance by a smith? Or am I >going down the wrong line? If he was superannuated I feel he would have been >employed by the Dockyard as were many others in the family. > Best wishes, Sally Harnett >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11 - Release Date: 08/07/2005 > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Are they called brickwalls because there is always MORTAR find? > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Thanks very much for the information, Linda and Tony, looks as if I shall have to come up with another idea to get to father of William COURTNELL! Sally. -----Original Message----- From: Linda & Tony [mailto:bestcover@lineone.net] Sent: 10 July 2005 21:37 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] COURTNELL marriage lookup Hi Sally Sorry you will be disappointed - prior to Hardwickes Marriage Act 1754, the only data recorded in the parish register were the names of the Bride & Groom Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: Sally Harnett [mailto:sally.harnett@homecall.co.uk] Sent: 10 July 2005 21:26 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] COURTNELL marriage lookup Good Evening List, May I please have a look-up for the details of the marriage of William COURTNELL and Jenny HORWOOD, IGI gives the date as 31 Mar 1753, St. Mary's, Portsea. I believe Jenny's father to be Nicholas HORWOOD, mother Elizabeth, and need to know William COURTNELL's father. Would also be great if his age was there! Very best wishes, Sally Harnett -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11 - Release Date: 08/07/2005 ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11 - Release Date: 08/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11 - Release Date: 08/07/2005

Thanks very much for all your help Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Look up AYLMER please > > Hello Shirley > here are the full baptism details. > > St Mary's Portsea CHU3/1B/11 > page 83 no 657 baptised August 29 1824 Wiliam Witteridge son of William and > Charlotte AYLMER Grigg St Mariner > > Hope it helps,Linda and Tony > : > > If possible I would be grateful if you could check the baptism of William > Witteridge AYLMER at St. Mary's Portsea on 29 August 1824 > The IGI says his father is William AYLMER but his marriage certificate > states George AYLMER as his father. I just wondered if there was any more info > Thanks for all your help > Shirley > > > > > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hello, Could anyone offer opinions on this description of trade-- "single stationer" ? I have Nicholas COURTNELL on certificates and census as: 1843 blacksmith; 1844 smith; 1851 single stationer; 1861 superannuated smith. Blacksmith, Smith and Superannuated Smith are self explanatory, but I am puzzled by the other. My thoughts vere towards Signal Station-- especially since seeing the telegraph system outside the Museum in Portsmouth whilst visiting for the IFOS--(wonderful!). Would this system have been in use at that late date, and would it have needed maintenance by a smith? Or am I going down the wrong line? If he was superannuated I feel he would have been employed by the Dockyard as were many others in the family. Best wishes, Sally Harnett -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11 - Release Date: 08/07/2005

A useful site --- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dutillieul/ZOtherPapers/Index.html Edna - Ottawa

West Country Newspaper site... http://freespace.virgin.net/paul.mansfield1/paul001.html Edna - Ottawa

I am looking for the birth / christening od Elizabeth WILLIAMS, born about 1857. Married Robert Plaskett Jan 31 1877 and died 1Q 1883 - all Portsea / Portsmouth Thanks Dave Plaskett

I am looking for the birth / christening of MARY ANN SKEAD JERRAM, about 1830. There are many variations of "Skead / Shead" and "Jerram / Jeram" She married Frederick Charles Plaskett abt 1831 Thanks Dave Plaskett

Hi Sally Sorry you will be disappointed - prior to Hardwickes Marriage Act 1754, the only data recorded in the parish register were the names of the Bride & Groom Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: Sally Harnett [mailto:sally.harnett@homecall.co.uk] Sent: 10 July 2005 21:26 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] COURTNELL marriage lookup Good Evening List, May I please have a look-up for the details of the marriage of William COURTNELL and Jenny HORWOOD, IGI gives the date as 31 Mar 1753, St. Mary's, Portsea. I believe Jenny's father to be Nicholas HORWOOD, mother Elizabeth, and need to know William COURTNELL's father. Would also be great if his age was there! Very best wishes, Sally Harnett -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11 - Release Date: 08/07/2005 ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Good Evening List, May I please have a look-up for the details of the marriage of William COURTNELL and Jenny HORWOOD, IGI gives the date as 31 Mar 1753, St. Mary's, Portsea. I believe Jenny's father to be Nicholas HORWOOD, mother Elizabeth, and need to know William COURTNELL's father. Would also be great if his age was there! Very best wishes, Sally Harnett -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11 - Release Date: 08/07/2005

Hi Rita Is this the one? http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ww2/ Regards Margaret > Watched this today, at the end they mentioned a website where people can > record their memories of WW2, It maybe "People's War" does anyone know > the full web address? > Rita

Hi everyone, Well one of the first things I learned when I first visited Gosport back in 1985 was the strong connection with Wales, and through my genealogy interests, I have seen it for myself even hundreds of years ago. For anyone who had family moving between Hampshire and Wales, this is an excellent site where you can hear how the place names of Wales should be pronounced. I hope some of you find this website of great interest and use. Kind regards to all, Jon http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/sounds/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 7/9/05

Watched this today, at the end they mentioned a website where people can record their memories of WW2, It maybe "People's War" does anyone know the full web address? Rita

Thanks Jon we have Welsh connections but our lot did seem to move about it appears more so then than now. Linda and Tony

Thanks very much Linda and Tony. It looks like the marriage register entry confirms that the certificate is correct after all. So now I can forget the mysterious Elizabeth LUKE and try to find a sister for Sarah (since her mother Elizabeth was already long gone!) The earlier marriage was also a good lookup as someone else originally transcribed it, not you as I'd thought, and they missed a couple of things you picked up here. So once again, you provided a most helpful service - I wish there were additional Linda and Tony's on some of the other lists my search has wound up on! Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA.

Hi Richard -- How wonderful to have found all that information. Congratulations! Edna - sunny Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" <purton@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: RE: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Bray of Portsmouth in my article for Wikipedia. Any connexions? The Honourable Sir John Cox Bray (1842-1892), K.C.M.G., J.P., was born in East Adelaide, South Australia, on 31 May 1842, the second of the four sons (with two daughters) of early immigrants to the new colony. His father, Tom Cox Bray (1815-1881), was a native of Portsmouth, Hampshire, and his mother, Sarah Pink (1813-1877), was from the same county. The couple was married at St Mary's parish church, Portsea, Hampshire, on 22 July 1838, just prior to their embarkation for Australia in the "Prince George". In the early years in Adelaide, T.C. Bray worked as a shoemaker, following in the footsteps of his own father, William Bray, who, rather than being a captain in the Royal Navy as is traditionally claimed, in fact, worked as a cordwainer and cabinet maker prior to his early death in 1816, aged about 26 years. The Bray family appears to have moved to the Portsmouth area from the Isle of Wight, in contradiction to the very garbled accounts of their origins to be found in Burke's Colonial Gentry (1891-1895), volume 2, under "Bray of Adelaide", and in the American Supplement (1939) to Burke's Landed Gentry (1937 edition), under "Bray" (covering the career and descent of Professor William Crowell Bray, head of the Chemistry department at the University of California at Berkeley, who belonged to the Canadian branch of the Bray family which had been established in Upper Canada in 1839 by William Bray, J.P. (1814-1882), a gunnery officer in the Royal Navy, and the elder brother of T.C. Bray). Educated at the Collegiate School of St Peter, Adelaide, and in England, Bray read law in South Australia, and was called to the South Australian Bar in November 1870. Meanwhile, his parents, elder brother and sisters returned to England, due to an improvement in their circumstances said to be the result of T.C. Bray's having inherited shipping interests from his paternal grandfather, George Bray. The family lived in comfort first at Blackheath in Kent, and later at Harrogate, the Yorkshire spa town in which Mrs Bray died. The elder son, Thomas William Bray (1840-1887), was sent to Clare College, Cambridge, and later became an Anglican clergyman. He was father of Sir Denys de Saumarez Bray (1875-1951), K.C.S.I., K.C.I.E., C.B.E., sometime Foreign Secretary to the Government of India, and Indian delegate to the League of Nations during the British colonial period. T.C. Bray lived the rest of his life as a gentleman, moving to Kilmacolm, Renfrewshire in Scotland, where he had descendants in the mid 1980s. He died in Scotland and his will was proved in Scotland and South Australia. In Adelaide, J.C. Bray practised only briefly as a solicitor, before being elected to the South Australian House of Assembly as M.P. for East Adelaide in December 1871, a constituency he was to hold until his retirement from politics on 6 January 1892. He served as Minister of Justice and Minister of Education in the 3rd Blyth ministry (15 March 1875-3 June 1875). He also served as Attorney-General (June 1876-26 October 1877) in the Colton ministry, when he was responsible for introducing an "Act to Provide for the formation and registration of trades unions", the first such legislation in Australia. He served as Leader of the Opposition to the Morgan ministry (October 1877-24 June 1881), and Premier and Chief Secretary of the Province of South Australia (24 June 1881-23 April 1884), and Premier and Treasurer of South Australia (23 April 1884-16 June 1884). At the time, he was the longest-serving premier of the colony. He visited England and the United States from 1884 to 1885, returning to serve as Chief Secretary of South Australia (14 October 1885 to June 1887), and Treasurer (8 June 1886-7 June 1887) in the first Downer ministry. He was acting Premier during Downer's absence in England until June 1887. Due to his popularity, Bray was elected Speaker (served 31 May 1888-June 1890), after which he refused renomination to that office. He was Chief Secretary in the 2nd Playford ministry (19 August 1890-6 January 1892), when he left politics. Bray attended the Sydney Intercolonial Conference in 1883, and was one of seven South Australian reprentatives at the first Federal Convention at Sydney in 1891. He was appointed Agent General for South Australia in London (served 29 February 1892 to April 1894), resigning early because of ill health. On 13 June 1894, he died at sea between Aden and Colombo aboard the "Oceana" en route for South Australia. His obituary appeared in the London Times of 19 June 1894. Bray was created a Knight Commander of the Order of St Michael and St George by Queen Victoria in the New Year's Honours List for 1890. His wife, Alice, Lady Bray, née Hornabrook, survived him until 1935. They had three sons and one daughter. The youngest son, Harry Midwinter Bray, an Adelaide stock broker, was the father of the Honourable Dr John Jefferson Bray (1912-1995), a poet, lawyer and judge who served as Chief Justice of South Australia and Chancellor of the University of Adelaide. Bray's only daughter married Sir John Lavington Bonython (1875-1960), sometime Lord Mayor of Adelaide, and member of the well-known family of newspaper proprietors. Bray's descendants continue to include people prominent in Australian politics and the judiciary. Bray was the first native-born South Australian to serve as premier, speaker, and agent-general for the colony. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bray" Contributor: Richard Bray Carruthers, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Is it possible that anyone on the list has Henry ABBINETT in their tree and can throw some light on why he was the man to give consent at the marriage of William WHILEY and Diana JANES at Alverstoke in 1819. He was obviously some kind of guardian to one of them and I'm wondering which and what relationship he had with them? Regards, Pat B