Hi Ken I think it unlikely that he would be supplying the navy with anything - supplies would be obtained from the usual suppliers - I suspect it's more likely that he was a serving member of the ship's company, and since the vessel was based on Portsmouth for much of her life he was able to fit it in with his business, perhaps with someone else, maybe a family member, managing it when he was unable to be at home. From discussions on the Mariners list it would appear that some of the crew may well have been naval pensioners and served onboard for a great many years, which suited both the Navy and men concerned. This was certainly the case with the RY Britannia - as long as you kept you nose clean you could remain on board - but the first signs of problems and you were off to another ship - an oppo of mine was sent home from the South Seas in the mid-1950s, having committed a misdemeanor on the Britannia during her World cruise - stupid boy ! On the other hand ISTR reading about a bootneck who served something like 75% of his career of 22 years onboard - much of it at Fountain Lake, just to the south of Whale Island, at Portsmouth. Regards Paul On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:44:47 +0100, "Kenneth Grubb" <keng@sunnyside74.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: >Hello, > >The recent exchanges re HMS Osborne reminded me that my great uncle, William James Grubb, (1851-1920) was the landlord of the "Victoria & Albert" public house on The Hard, Portsea from just before the 1891 Census until his death. > >His first wife died and he re-married to Zilpah Barrett, another licensed victualler, in 1895. On receiving a copy of the marriage certificate from Portsmouth R.O., I was intrigued to discover that whilst described as a "widower and licensed victualler", his address was given as "HMS Warne". No such ship was to be found and Portsmouth later admitted that they had transcribed "HMS Osborne" incorrectly!! This was confirmed by Stockport. > >Having corrected that error, I was no wiser as to what he was doing on board ship. He was obviously still running the "Victoria & Albert" Had he gained a contract for supplying alcohol or was he, perhaps, running the Ward Room bar or what was he doing? > >I've no knowledge of how the navy victualled its ships but since the royal yachts, presumably, never strayed from Pompey perhpas local contracts were often let?? > >Regards > >Ken Grubb, Cheltenham, Glos. > > > > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi all Found out today there is a database of Coastguards on line, info supplied by various sources, but no way a complete record of Coastguards. But well worth a look at if you think your ancestors were (or may have been) Coastguards. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/CoastguardsRef.html Rita

Hi List New information todya. Rosina Maria JONES daughter of William JONES, born Portsmouth. 1881 Census index William JONES was a Fish dealer and C... He was living at 26&27 Jacob St Portsea, and at 28 Jacob St was, I presume his son James JONES Could someone please tell me what the c... would stand for. Any help appreciated. Surname too common to find family on the 1871 Census Ancestry. Thanks Glenys

Search the archives first - as I was given a description from Leith's - but can't cut and paste it! Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Harnett" <sally.harnett@homecall.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: RE: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] HMS Osborne > Hi Mark, May I suggest you subscribe to the rootsweb mariners list where I > think you will get answers to your questions > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Ware [mailto:ware1973@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: 15 July 2005 10:09 > To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] HMS Osborne > > > I have just discovered that my maternal gg grandfather served on board > the royal yacht HMS Osborne in 1881 as Rigger. Does anybody know of a > website that can tell me both about the ship and about riggers? I have > put it into google but can only find pictures of the ship. > > Many thanks > Mark > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > rgetid=5429 > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 14/07/2005 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 14/07/2005 > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Are they called brickwalls because there is always MORTAR find? > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hello, The recent exchanges re HMS Osborne reminded me that my great uncle, William James Grubb, (1851-1920) was the landlord of the "Victoria & Albert" public house on The Hard, Portsea from just before the 1891 Census until his death. His first wife died and he re-married to Zilpah Barrett, another licensed victualler, in 1895. On receiving a copy of the marriage certificate from Portsmouth R.O., I was intrigued to discover that whilst described as a "widower and licensed victualler", his address was given as "HMS Warne". No such ship was to be found and Portsmouth later admitted that they had transcribed "HMS Osborne" incorrectly!! This was confirmed by Stockport. Having corrected that error, I was no wiser as to what he was doing on board ship. He was obviously still running the "Victoria & Albert" Had he gained a contract for supplying alcohol or was he, perhaps, running the Ward Room bar or what was he doing? I've no knowledge of how the navy victualled its ships but since the royal yachts, presumably, never strayed from Pompey perhpas local contracts were often let?? Regards Ken Grubb, Cheltenham, Glos.

See _https://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/LogonActionServlet_ (https://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/LogonActionServlet) for some free overseas births,marriages and deaths taking into account that many soldiers from Counties were posted overseas for long years of service. Happy hunting,Linda and Tony

Hello, Listers For those of you who aren't aware there is a page where the above info is free. Just google Ancestory.com family facts. Once there scroll down to Name Distribution UK, double click and a map appears. Scroll to the page bottom. Type in your family name and then double click the button. Then place cursor on your county for specific details. All the best Keith Victoria

By The By The Global Challenge race finishes in Portsmouth on Saturday, see http://www.globalchallenge2004.com/en/feature.asp?chco_id=19170 The webcams set up for seabritain are still operational http://www.globalchallenge2004.com/en/feature.asp?chco_id=19170 Margaret > > > You can see what a "fully rigged ship" looks like at: > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/shipsrigging.htm > > A site by Gilbert Provost. > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect > > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

And the Sick Berth Steward in 1885 was Edmund Squire WILLCOCKS, my grandfather, who received a medal for long service and good conduct, reported in The Times Digital Archive. In the same report, his previous ship, Orontes, had left for Aden the previous Tuesday. Regards Martin Willcocks Tahylorsville, UT, USA.

Hi Mark And if you don't wish to subscribe to the Mariners' List there was a thread on the subject of Riggers, both those serving onboard and those working in the dockyard, back in May - see: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Mariners/2005-05 British Royal Yachts by Tony Dalton is quite interesting and has some good pictures - might be available on ILL. If you want to know what this yacht was doing around this period and you've got plenty of spare time and access to the Times on-line or on micro-film, her movements etc. are usually well documented in the almost daily Naval and Military Intelligence articles contained in that paper, but that said, ISTR this yacht spent little time going anywhere except between Portsmouth and the Isle of Wight, but I could be wrong. Regards Paul On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:52:31 +0100, "Sally Harnett" <sally.harnett@homecall.co.uk> wrote: >Hi Mark, May I suggest you subscribe to the rootsweb mariners list where I >think you will get answers to your questions > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Ware [mailto:ware1973@tiscali.co.uk] >Sent: 15 July 2005 10:09 >To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] HMS Osborne > > >I have just discovered that my maternal gg grandfather served on board >the royal yacht HMS Osborne in 1881 as Rigger. Does anybody know of a >website that can tell me both about the ship and about riggers? I have >put it into google but can only find pictures of the ship. > >Many thanks >Mark > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta >rgetid=5429 > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 14/07/2005 > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 14/07/2005 > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Are they called brickwalls because there is always MORTAR find? > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi Mark, May I suggest you subscribe to the rootsweb mariners list where I think you will get answers to your questions -----Original Message----- From: Mark Ware [mailto:ware1973@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 15 July 2005 10:09 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] HMS Osborne I have just discovered that my maternal gg grandfather served on board the royal yacht HMS Osborne in 1881 as Rigger. Does anybody know of a website that can tell me both about the ship and about riggers? I have put it into google but can only find pictures of the ship. Many thanks Mark ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 14/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 14/07/2005

Please could SKS look-up the marriage of James ROOK 26 Dec 1836 at St. Thomas, Portsmouth? TIA Mark

RIGGER A hoist tackle worker; works on a ship's rigging. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Ware" <ware1973@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:08 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] HMS Osborne >I have just discovered that my maternal gg grandfather served on board > the royal yacht HMS Osborne in 1881 as Rigger. Does anybody know of a > website that can tell me both about the ship and about riggers? I have > put it into google but can only find pictures of the ship. > > Many thanks > Mark > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Hi Mark, I don't have any websites with the actual information, but you could try contacting the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich, http://www.nmm.ac.uk/ or if you live near to Gosport, the Library/Discovery Centre holds the Hampshire Naval Collection, which may contain something. http://www.discoverycentres.co.uk/gosport/localstudies/naval-collection.html Good Luck Margaret >I have just discovered that my maternal gg grandfather served on board > the royal yacht HMS Osborne in 1881 as Rigger. Does anybody know of a > website that can tell me both about the ship and about riggers? I have > put it into google but can only find pictures of the ship. > > Many thanks > Mark > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

I have just discovered that my maternal gg grandfather served on board the royal yacht HMS Osborne in 1881 as Rigger. Does anybody know of a website that can tell me both about the ship and about riggers? I have put it into google but can only find pictures of the ship. Many thanks Mark

Hi Bazzer Would you beable to tell me where creamtions took place before 1958. I had a brother and I think his name was Christian Catt but I belive he was cremated at the age of 5 or 7. I think he lived in Clarance road Southsea at the time. Thanks Chris G >Just a reminder to the list, I live a 100 yards away from the Cerm'. If any >listers wish me to make any enquires I will do so. Names are all indexed . >If you have a name that you want checked they will give me a print out of >all the cremations under that name. Please bear in mind that they will not >give out address that you do not know.The Crem' opened in 1958. >Regards >Bazzer >Portchester >Fareham >Hampshire >www.clarkeology.com > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.14/48 - Release Date: 13/07/2005 > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

In message <001a01c58910$34bc87e0$aa5537d2@betaamd1300>, Glenys Petry <petrym@xtra.co.nz> writes >Any help appreciated. Surname too common to find family on the 1871 >Census Ancestry. Don't see what the problem is. They are on RG10/1138/140/29&30. -- Jenny M Benson

In message <001a01c58910$34bc87e0$aa5537d2@betaamd1300>, Glenys Petry <petrym@xtra.co.nz> writes >1881 Census index William JONES was a Fish dealer and C... It reads "General Dealer, Fish etc." -- Jenny M Benson

Hi, An excellent book on Royal yachts: Brian Hoey's book "The Royal Yacht Britannia" published by Patrick Stephens Ltd., which gives a fine account of the yachts. Edna - Ottawa

Hi, I just knew we had knowledgeable people on this list... Three cheers, Edna - Hot n' humid Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID PARKER" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] HMS Osborne Here are a few details David HMS Osborne, ? 1870 Type: Royal Yacht ; Completed ? : 19 Dec 1870 ; Disposal date or year § : 1908 BM: 1536 tons ; Displacement: 1850 tons Propulsion: Paddle Machinery notes: 3360 hpi 450 Notes: 1870 Building at Pembroke 12 Jun 1874 Commissioned at Portsmouth 1879 Portsmouth. It is noted that the Captain is Cdr. The Rt Hon Lord Charles W.D. Beresford ; Lt. Hon. Coyningham E. Denison and Lt H.S.H. Prince Louis of Battenberg amongst others. Apr 1886 Portsmouth 1890 Portsmouth. 24 June 1900 Khedive Arrives in the Osborne from the Continent. Steamed to Sheerness and received a 21 gun salute from the Sanspareil, at Garrison Point Fort, followed by similar salutes from the cruisers Argonaut and Galatea. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Ware" <ware1973@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 5:08 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] HMS Osborne > I have just discovered that my maternal gg grandfather served on board > the royal yacht HMS Osborne in 1881 as Rigger. Does anybody know of a > website that can tell me both about the ship and about riggers? I have > put it into google but can only find pictures of the ship. > > Many thanks > Mark > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to visit to meet up with old relatives ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx