Hi everyone, The posting from tony and Linda about Miss Corn and Mr cob reminded me of a couple of guide dogs I had heard of, and how everyone who knew of them said the guide Dog Association purposely matched them up with specific people! The two that spring to mind are: Mark Perry, who was given a guide dog named Spencer. (Mark & Spencer?) and a dog named Happy was placed with a gent with the surname of Christmas! Not long after I had my 3rd guide dog Eddy, I heard of a dog called Trixey, and wished that I'd had her! Well Trixey Nixey doesn't sound bad does it! lol Regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 8/9/05

I have to agree, I really like the sound of this idea. I would, as a website designer, though, advise not to publish such info on websites. Certainly keep it printed and stored in a folder, or burn onto CD. Personal information such as birth dates, marriage dates etc could be easilly picked up by unscrupulous people on the Internet, and their use of such personal data would cause untold havock for living people. regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 8/9/05

Hi, Now that's a good idea! Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam" <pam@netcall.com.au> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:40 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Fwd: [Lon] Message from Dave Dixon >> >>Hi All >> >>The thought crossed my mind that it might be helpful to subsequent >>generations of my family, (those interested that is), if I were to include >>"Self Census" information about my household in my records. >> >>I propose to assemble the information from memory etc. as if they were >>official census returns, as at the actual census dates. >>(I hope my memory is good enough). >> >>This would mean that my descendants won't have to wait for the official >>release of each census to find out lots of fascinating facts about me. :-) >> >>I wondered if anybody else had already done this. >> >>All the best >>Dave Dixon >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005 >> > > > >==== LONDON Mailing List ==== >Remember, if someone posts a flame on the list, just ignore, or >reply privately. The list managers are watching, and will take care >of it. When we reply to those messages, we are adding to the problem. ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Are they called brickwalls because there is always MORTAR find? ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi All, I recall seeing a list of who it was illegal to marry, a little while ago, but I have learnt with my lot that anything is possible! Edna, I'm afraid I know very little about Jane Warren. I have her in 1851 as a widow, living with her mother Mary Warren, who is unfortunately also a widow. Fingers crossed her fathers name is legible on the marriage entry! Regards, Becci

Interesting request & statement. I understood , under English Law, it was illegal to marry your late husbands brother. If memory serves me correctly, this changed about 1931. -- Best regards, Peter McNulty peter@sparshott.org.uk www.sparshott.org.uk Researching: SPARSHOTT families world-wide (especially Hants) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becci Jacob" <bex1068@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Wingate marriage look ups > Hi Linda, Tony and list, > Could I ask for the following lookups please? > > STEPHEN WINGATE married JANE WARREN > 4/2/1849 St Marys,Portsea > > JAMES WINGATE married JANE WINGATE > 1/4/1852 St Marys, Portsea > > I have an inkling that the grooms are brothers and the bride is the same person! >

Hi, I have in my family a husband marrying a late wife's sister....in 1850's. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Wingate marriage look ups Well we had just this happen to us too)... Interesting stuff will check a book we have and see what we can find.. Kind regards Linda and Tony Interesting request & statement. I understood , under English Law, it was illegal to marry your late husbands brother. If memory serves me correctly, this changed about 1931. ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Linda, Tony and list, Could I ask for the following lookups please? STEPHEN WINGATE married JANE WARREN 4/2/1849 St Marys,Portsea JAMES WINGATE married JANE WINGATE 1/4/1852 St Marys, Portsea I have an inkling that the grooms are brothers and the bride is the same person! Many thanks, Becci

Hello all The Hampshire Genealogical Society annual open day will take place this year on Sunday 25 September 2005 at the usual venue of Horndean Technology College, Merchistoun Rd, Horndean. Doors open at 10.00am and close at 4.00pm. The Society’s AGM (members only) follows at 4.30pm As usual, admission is FREE and attractions include the HGS Bookstall and Research Room, Surname Interests, Computer Genealogical Advice, Stands from Genealogical Suppliers, Other Family History Societies, New & Second Hand Books. The highlights of the day include three free lectures from genealogy experts which are always very informative. This year, we have been fortunate and can offer: Jeanne Bunting - 'Don't Delay; Write Today' John Hanson - 'A to Z of Occupations' Rod Neep - 'Meat on the Bones of Family History' Full details of the open day and of membership of the Society can be found at _www.hgs-online.org.uk_ (http://www.hgs-online.org.uk/) Take care Tony Knight HGS Publicity Officer

Hello all The Hampshire Genealogical Society annual open day will take place this year on Sunday 25 September 2005 at the usual venue of Horndean Technology College, Merchistoun Rd, Horndean. Doors open at 10.00am and close at 4.00pm. The Society’s AGM (members only) follows at 4.30pm As usual, admission is FREE and attractions include the HGS Bookstall and Research Room, Surname Interests, Computer Genealogical Advice, Stands from Genealogical Suppliers, Other Family History Societies, New & Second Hand Books. The highlights of the day include three free lectures from genealogy experts which are always very informative. This year, we have been fortunate and can offer: Jeanne Bunting - 'Don't Delay; Write Today' John Hanson - 'A to Z of Occupations' Rod Neep - 'Meat on the Bones of Family History' Full details of the open day and of membership of the Society can be found at _www.hgs-online.org.uk_ (http://www.hgs-online.org.uk/) Take care Tony Knight HGS Publicity Officer

Hello all Peter is almost correct since the 1600s marriages between people who were related in various ways were forbidden by parliament as well as church law. These were known as The Prohibited Degrees. A marriage between two people within a prohibited degree needed a private act of parliament to permit it. The general prohibitions prevented someone marrying a brother or sister (or their spouse), parent,grandparent,Aunt,Uncle,Child or grandchild(or their spouse) neice or nephew (or their spouse) spouses child, grandchild,parent,aunt,uncle or grandparent. Changes to the law were made in 1907 and 1921 to allow people to marry the spouse of their brother or sister,provided that the brother or sister was deceased. (source Ancestral Trails - Mark D HERBER ISBN 0-7509-2484-5) Hope this helps,Linda and Tony Interesting request & statement. I understood , under English Law, it was illegal to marry your late husbands brother. If memory serves me correctly, this changed about 1931. -- Best regards, Peter McNulty peter@sparshott.org.uk

we also have WARREN in the tree Mary JURD married Edward HUBSDELL and when widowed Mary married Timothy WARREN in 1812 at St Mary's Portsea. Any possible connections? Kind regards Linda and Tony

Hello Becci here are the full details of the 2 marriages. St Marys Portsea CHU3/1D/47 page 58 no 115 Feb 4 1849 Stephen WINGATE full age Bachelor Seaman HMS Excellent and Jane WARREN Minor Spinster 4 Oxford Street married after banns fathers John WINGATE Pensioner and Richard WARREN Sawyer in the presence of X the mark of Mary Ann DARBY and William DARBY CHU3/1D/50 page 25 no 50 April 1 1852 James WINGATE full age Widower Seaman HMS Auth---- ? and Jane WINGATE Widow full age 4 Oxford Street married after licence fathers John WINGATE Coastguard and Richard WARREN Sawyer in the presence of X the mark of Ann ANDREWS and Job ANDREWS Snap we have the same situation! your hunch was right Becci. Hope they help,Linda and Tony Could I ask for the following lookups please? STEPHEN WINGATE married JANE WARREN 4/2/1849 St Marys,Portsea JAMES WINGATE married JANE WINGATE 1/4/1852 St Marys, Portsea I have an inkling that the grooms are brothers and the bride is the same person!

Well we had just this happen to us too)... Interesting stuff will check a book we have and see what we can find.. Kind regards Linda and Tony Interesting request & statement. I understood , under English Law, it was illegal to marry your late husbands brother. If memory serves me correctly, this changed about 1931.

Hello Rod St Marys Portsea CHU3/1A/13 Clarinda daughter of George and Clarinda STILES baptised July 17 1808 Hope it helps,Linda and Tony Can i ask for a look up for Clarinda Stiles christened 17 July 1808 St Mary's , Portsea, Hampshire if its not to much trouble. Alway with many thanks. Rod Pashley

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Saw this and thought a little humour can brighten up ANYONES day! Linda and Tony MR. COBB WEDS MISS CORN Miss Margaret Corn was married to Mr. Stanley Cobb recently at El Paso, Texas at the home of the bride's parents. The marriage license clerk at the courthouse refused to issue the license, thinking it was a joke. When he convinced the clerk that it was on the level, Cobb shelled out for the license. * * * Found a humorous sign or entry in census, parish, church, etc. records? Send to: Editor-RWR@rootsweb.com 9. Subscriptions, Submissions, Advertising, Reprints -----------------------------------------------------

Hello Linda and Tony, I knew that my Portsmouth grandfather DUST had been born in China in 1877and found his father had been in the Army. I finally found his birth registered in GRO Army Chaplain's Returns Indices (1796-1880) on 1837on-line, and so was able to send for his birth certificate, taking me further back. Could your great-uncle have been in India through being a Forces Dependant? There are also Consul's lists on that site. In looking for Grandfather I also found other brothers born abroad that my mother knew nothing about! So she at aged 90 is still learning! I have a page in front of me with some D and E names on it, several in India. Hope I'm not telling you things you already knew!! Best wishes, Sally -----Original Message----- From: Knightroots@aol.com [mailto:Knightroots@aol.com] Sent: 10 August 2005 08:29 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Proof of age Thanks to David and all who have replied to our e-mail on the above . We still have to prove the age of great uncle who was born in India? but doesn't appear in the records for tracking down in London. Kind regards Linda and Tony ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 03/08/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005

Hi Martin I can't help with 1841 sorry, but here is your family in 1861: 1861 Portsea, Hampshire Henry J Willcocks abt 1828 Southampton; Landport; Portsea Head Portsea Hampshire Julia Willcocks abt 1827 Southampton; Landport; Portsea Wife Portsea Hampshire Henry W S Willcocks abt 1855 Southampton; Portsea Son Portsea Hampshire Edmund S Willcocks abt 1857 Southampton; Portsea Son Portsea Hampshire Arthur S Willcocks abt 1860 Southampton; Portsea Son Portsea Hampshire Sarah Squire abt 1804 Southampton; Landport Lodger Portsea Hampshire Kind regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.4/66 - Release Date: 8/9/05

Hello Sally no grandfather was a publisher in India and have checked 1837 online (all births overseas) and also visited the OIOC in London for his birth but it appears that his birth was one of those whose wasn't sent to Britain amongst the returns. Apparenty didn't always happen so despite having checked all 3 India presidencies there zilch! Thi side of the family is leading us a merry dance) but we will not give up. Thanks anyway Sally,Linda and Tony Hello Linda and Tony, I knew that my Portsmouth grandfather DUST had been born in China in 1877and found his father had been in the Army. I finally found his birth registered in GRO Army Chaplain's Returns Indices (1796-1880) on 1837on-line, and so was able to send for his birth certificate, taking me further back. Could your great-uncle have been in India through being a Forces Dependant? There are also Consul's lists on that site. In looking for Grandfather I also found other brothers born abroad that my mother knew nothing about! So she at aged 90 is still learning! I have a page in front of me with some D and E names on it, several in India. Hope I'm not telling you things you already knew!! Best wishes, Sally