Always looking for copies of Sparshott (et al) certs, wills, photos, memorabilia. -- Best regards, Peter McNulty peter@sparshott.org.uk www.sparshott.org.uk Researching: SPARSHOTT families world-wide (especially Hants) ----- Original Message ----- From: "stacey gardner" <stacey.gardner3@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:31 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Wrong Certificates > Hi Linda & Tony > > I don't know if this is allowed on the list but over the years as like with everyone I expect I have acquired some wrong certificates connected to the Portsmouth area, as they are of no use to me can I give the details to the list to see if I can find someone who they would be of use to. > > I wouldn't ask for any money only a self addressed envelope to cover postage costs. > > I fully understand if this is not allowed but I just thought I would ask before I dispose of them. > > Thank you > Stacey > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to visit to meet up with old relatives > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Thanks for the elucidation, Linda & Tony. -- Best regards, Peter McNulty peter@sparshott.org.uk www.sparshott.org.uk Researching: SPARSHOTT families world-wide (especially Hants) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] illegal marriage > Hello all > Peter is almost correct since the 1600s marriages between people who were > related in various ways were forbidden by parliament as well as church law. > These were known as The Prohibited Degrees.

Hello Sylvia we will check the baptism and marriage a bit later on as we have the parish register fiche for both St John Portsea and Alverstoke. Back Later,Linda and Tony Hello listers, I am wondering if someone would be kind enough to please do a lookup for me? My ancestor was Mary Ann GRANSDEN baptised May 11, 1815 at St. John's, Portsea. She migrated to Australia as a single woman in 1832. The info. I have from the LDS site shows her parents as Robert Wood GRANSDEN and Mary Ann STONE, who were married on October 17, 1812 at Alverstoke. I am really keen to find out anything more about Mary Ann Gransden and her family, such as what the father did for a living, where they lived, age at marriage etc, anything really that someone may have access to from the parish records. Thankyou from a faraway Australoan researcher. Sylvia Murray

Unfortunately I missed this as I'm at work, but I certainly agree that it can become obsessive. Murder, bigamy, transportation - it's all there in my family history and I want to know every last little bit. David Blake J P NIXEY <jpnixey@btinternet.com> wrote: I just want to make a comment on how much I enjoyed hering Tony on BBC radio Solent this morning. an excellent slot on genealogy! I'm not too sure what you meant about genealogy being addictive and becoming obsessive over it though Tony? very big grin! regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/05 ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to visit to meet up with old relatives ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.

Hello Stacey we don't see a problem here so long as price not mentioned as here it is fine. By all means post any Hampshire related ones. Kind regards Linda and Tony Hi Linda & Tony I don't know if this is allowed on the list but over the years as like with everyone I expect I have acquired some wrong certificates connected to the Portsmouth area, as they are of no use to me can I give the details to the list to see if I can find someone who they would be of use to. I wouldn't ask for any money only a self addressed envelope to cover postage costs. I fully understand if this is not allowed but I just thought I would ask before I dispose

I just want to make a comment on how much I enjoyed hering Tony on BBC radio Solent this morning. an excellent slot on genealogy! I'm not too sure what you meant about genealogy being addictive and becoming obsessive over it though Tony? very big grin! regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/05

Hi Martin Thank you for the information re the KEMP family. The person I am seeking is Melissa Marion Barbara Kemp, age 20 years who married Albert Edwards age 22 years in 1907. Her father was Arthur Charles Kemp with occupation given as Clerk. The Kemp family were living at 34 Castle Row, Southsea at the time of the marriage . It has been "suggested" that Melissa could have been an Australian, because sometime after WWI they migrated to Victoria, but did return to England and moved to Norfolk. But as I said this is as "suggested" If there is anything you or Steve Baker can add it would be appreciated. Much searches of the Birth films via LDS have not proved successfully at this stage Thank you - Pamela NSW At 03:21 PM 10/08/2005, you wrote: >Hi Pamela: > >I may have posted about KEMP recently, but none of your other names >fit my interests, and my KEMP line is earlier than the dates you mention. > >There were several KEMP families in Portsea in the early 19th >century. For a long time, I had difficulty determining the >particular Sarah KEMP who had married Edmund SQUIRE, out of those >christened at St. Mary's Portsea. >These were, from IGI: >Sarah KEMP b. 29 Dec 1804 chr. 16 Jun 1805, parents George KEMP and Sarah (20) >Sarah KEMP b. 27 May 1803 chr. 26 Jul 1805, parents James KEMP and >Elizabeth (20) >Sarah KEMP chr. 31 Oct 1806, parents Robert KEMP and Hannah (19) >Sarah KEMP c. 30 Sep 1808, parents William KEMP and Jane (17) >The marriage took place at St. Mary's Portsea on 8 Jan 1826, at >which time the numbers in parentheses represent the approximate ages >based on christening dates (but see below). > >In February last year I received a message from Steve Baker on this >list. He mentioned the following family: >James KEMP m. Elizabeth FULLJAMES at St. Mary's, Portsea, on 4 Nov 1792 >Children: >Mary Harriet KEMP chr. 28 Jul 1793 St. Mary's, Portsea >James KEMP (2) and Jno. Richd. KEMP (1) chr. 9 Sep 1796 St. Mary's Portsea >Sarah KEMP b. 29 Apr 1799 chr. 7 Jul 1799 St. Mary's Portsea >Richard George KEMP, chr. 12 Jun 1801 St. Mary's, Portsea (m. Mary >DENTON 29 Oct 1825 St. Mary's Portsea) >Sarah KEMP b. 27 May 1803 chr. 26 Jul 1805 St. Mary's Portsea >Frederick KEMP chr. 5 Apr 1805 St. Mary's Portsea >William Henry KEMP chr. 2 May 1806 St. Mary's Portsea > >As you will see from the below information this does appear to be >the correct KEMP family for Sarah, though her birth date is >different by four days. I have marriage info for the parents, for >Richard George KEMP, Edmund SQUIRE and Sarah KEMP, and for a John >KEMP and Mary Ann HEATHER 12 Nov 1820 at St. Thomas, also John KEMP >and Leanes BOYCE 2 Dec 1823 at St. Thomas, thanks to Linda and >Tony's generous lookups. > >Although I do not have a death or burial record for Sarah b, 1799, >it would be very likely that she died before May 1803 when a second >Sarah KEMP was born in the same family. The only child of Edmund >SQUIRE and Sarah KEMP was Julia SQUIRE, who married Henry John >WILLCOCKS and they were my great-grandparents, married at All >Saints, Portsmouth on 23 Oct 1852. > >The question of which Sarah KEMP was my great-great-grandmother is >now definitively settled, as my greatuncle Henry William Squire >(HWSW below) personal genealogical notes from 1929 or earlier that >have recently been sent to me as a result of a contact through Essex >lists, since he lived in Harwich and Ramsey. He devoted a whole page >to his maternal grandparents and stated "Sarah Squire - Born May >23rd 1803 - Died April 18th 1863" underneath Edmund's dates "Born >March 8th 1802, Died Feb 12th 1845." I would like to find the family >in 1841, if anyone can provide the information. In 1851, Sarah is at: > >HO107/1658/F9 >33, Lion Place, >Sarah Squire Head(widow) 47 Government annuitant b. Portsmouth >Julia Dau 24 Dressmaker > >In 1861, I again have no apparent census information, but Sarah >would be 57, widowes, and probably with her relatives, but Julia by >that time was married to Henry John WILLCOCKS, who died 15 Dec 1864 >(according to HWSW) > >HWSW also wrote the following about Edmund and Sarah: >"My Maternal Grandparents were Edmund Squire and Sarah his wife nee >Kemp they were both born at Portsmouth, the Kemps were well known >Hatters and Manufactors of Straw Hats for the Navy, there was a >large family of Kemps while Edmund Squire was a Warrant Officer in >the Navy & died by sunstroke at "Mauritius" where he was buried." >Hence the Government Annuitant status for Sarah in widowhood! > >I would like to hear from anyone with details of >(a) 1841 census for Edmund (39) and Sarah Squire (38) likely both >shown as 35, in county with daughter Julia (14). >(b) 1861 census for Sarah Squire (57) who may be with son in law >Henry John WILLCOCKS (33) and her daughter (34) >(c) Any information about other descendants or ancestry of the >KEMP/FULLJAMES family members listed above. > >Also, if Steve Baker is still on the list, I would like to contact >him again about these connections. > >Regards >Martin Willcocks >Taylorsville, UT, USA. > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect > >Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. 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Hi Many thanks for your help! Val David Blake <dsblake2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Val They'd be in the parish registers. The archivist at Portsmouth City Record Office has done a lot of work on the North Hayling parish records, which are exceptionally strong. She may be able to advise on any problems you encounter. David Blake valerie petrie wrote: Hi Does anyone know where the records of illegimate births would be for North Haying (1849)? Thanks Val --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

Hi In the case of my grgrandmother the birth was registered as if her parents were marrried, they didn't actually marry until she was six years old! I thought, maybe wrongly that the illegimate children were registered. Anyway many thanks Take care Val Knightroots@aol.com wrote: Hello Valerie There are no separate illegitimate records - in 1849, a birth would be registered in the normal GRO returns and the baptism within the normal parish registers - sometimes the incumbent may put a special note on the baptism entry such a illegitimate or base born or of course, only a mothers name being shown is an obvious clue. HTH Linda & Tony ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Don't go barking up the wrong tree be like a good chef and ALWAYS check your SOURCES ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.

Hi Linda & Tony I don't know if this is allowed on the list but over the years as like with everyone I expect I have acquired some wrong certificates connected to the Portsmouth area, as they are of no use to me can I give the details to the list to see if I can find someone who they would be of use to. I wouldn't ask for any money only a self addressed envelope to cover postage costs. I fully understand if this is not allowed but I just thought I would ask before I dispose of them. Thank you Stacey

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Good Morning, We enjoyed the interview too from over here in Ottawa, Canada. Even learned the Brummie accent. All the best, Edna & Ken - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] BBC radio Solent I just want to make a comment on how much I enjoyed hering Tony on BBC radio Solent this morning. an excellent slot on genealogy! I'm not too sure what you meant about genealogy being addictive and becoming obsessive over it though Tony? very big grin! regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/05 ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to visit to meet up with old relatives ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi, Another piece perhaps? Not married but had Illegitimate Son bapt. 27 March 1836, of John Gregory (b. circa 1816) and Eliza Knight of Hambledon. Occ. Labourer. Perf. by J.L. Barton, Curate. Source: Hambledon Bishops Transcripts. Cheers, Edna - Ottawa P.S. The son, John, went through life as John Knight.

Hi, Another piece perhaps? Not married but had Illegitimate Son bapt. 27 March 1836, of John Gregory (b. circa 1816) and Eliza Knight of Hambledon. Occ. Labourer. Perf. by J.L. Barton, Curate. Source: Hambledon Bishops Transcripts. Cheers, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "John White" <whthouse@telus.net> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] ABBINETT Hello Pat,I have Ann Abbynett marrying Thomas GregoryAugust 19 1795 in Hambledon . Any connection?? Regards Barbara ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Don't go barking up the wrong tree be like a good chef and ALWAYS check your SOURCES ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

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Hello listers, I am wondering if someone would be kind enough to please do a lookup for me? My ancestor was Mary Ann GRANSDEN baptised May 11, 1815 at St. John's, Portsea. She migrated to Australia as a single woman in 1832. The info. I have from the LDS site shows her parents as Robert Wood GRANSDEN and Mary Ann STONE, who were married on October 17, 1812 at Alverstoke. I am really keen to find out anything more about Mary Ann Gransden and her family, such as what the father did for a living, where they lived, age at marriage etc, anything really that someone may have access to from the parish records. Thankyou from a faraway Australoan researcher. Sylvia Murray ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com

Hi Jon he is the licensed vitualler of the Fountain Tavern in Southwick ----- Original Message ----- From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Fw: Look up please 1861 Census > Hi Sue, > > There are 2 James Silvesters in Portsea in 1861: > > James Silvester born abt 1809 Southwick, Hampshire - at Kingston - > presumably this is the James as there is a servant in the household? > > and james Silvester born abt 1839 Hambledon, Hampshire - at Landport > > I can't see the images as I'm blind, but this is from the transcriptions > on > ancestry. Hope it helps. > > Regards, Jon > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/05 > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Sue, There are 2 James Silvesters in Portsea in 1861: James Silvester born abt 1809 Southwick, Hampshire - at Kingston - presumably this is the James as there is a servant in the household? and james Silvester born abt 1839 Hambledon, Hampshire - at Landport I can't see the images as I'm blind, but this is from the transcriptions on ancestry. Hope it helps. Regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/05

Many thanks for these. To add to the mix, in between these marriages the grooms' sister had an illegitimate daughter! Mind you, I'm finding that a lot of my ancestors had 2 or 3 (and in 1 case 4) children before they got married, and several managed to tie the knot just in time!! Well at least now I can say the fact that my kids and my wedding came the wrong way round is genetic! ;-) Becci ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:02 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Wingate marriages > Hello Becci > here are the full details of the 2 marriages. > > St Marys Portsea > CHU3/1D/47 > page 58 no 115 Feb 4 1849 Stephen WINGATE full age Bachelor Seaman HMS > Excellent and Jane WARREN Minor Spinster 4 Oxford Street married after banns > fathers John WINGATE Pensioner and Richard WARREN Sawyer in the presence of > X the mark of Mary Ann DARBY and William DARBY > > CHU3/1D/50 > page 25 no 50 April 1 1852 James WINGATE full age Widower Seaman HMS > Auth---- ? and Jane WINGATE Widow full age 4 Oxford Street married after > licence fathers John WINGATE Coastguard and Richard WARREN Sawyer in the > presence of X the mark of Ann ANDREWS and Job ANDREWS > > Snap we have the same situation! your hunch was right Becci. > Hope they help,Linda and Tony > > Could I ask for the following lookups please? > > STEPHEN WINGATE married JANE WARREN > 4/2/1849 St Marys,Portsea > > JAMES WINGATE married JANE WINGATE > 1/4/1852 St Marys, Portsea > > I have an inkling that the grooms are brothers and the bride is the same > person! > > > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Granny SMITHs aren't just the name of an apple they are in many a family tree too > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hello Pat,I have Ann Abbynett marrying Thomas GregoryAugust 19 1795 in Hambledon . Any connection?? Regards Barbara