Hi Penny, If you go on to the next page on the Census,the same address is given and looks like PAFOOTS COURT. I put that into Google and came up with one hit. A Stephen Pomeroy has listed a whole lot of street names etc in Portsea in 1887-1890....they all begin with H but there is a mention of a Hawke St leading to PAFOOTS COURT, Watermans Alley. This Alley also shows on the 1861. Hope this helps , Jean in Hampshire

If he is pensioned from the Royal Navy then he is most likely what is called a Greenwich Pensioner. Donald Wood Portland, Oregon

Hi Tony & Linda, Please could you check St Mary's, Portsea, for burial entries for the following : George WEARN Richard WEARN Thomas WEARN Their deaths are all registered in the June quarter of 1852. If, as I suspect, they are brothers it would explain how George Richard Thomas WEARN, born 1860, got his name, especially as the family only had daughters between those dates! Many thanks. Anne Mountifield

I suspect that the address is 4 Paffards Court. Michael Kinney Portland, OR -----Original Message----- From: Penny Holt [mailto:pennyholt@shaw.ca] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:52 PM To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Can't read this Census entry I'm looking at the 1861 census, RG9/636 Folio 105 Page 19. This is Portsea, St. George's Ward, ecclesiastical parish of Holy Trinity. At household Number 136 we have Nehemiah EVANS and his wife, Eliza. What's their address? It looks like 4 Pafasto Court. Is that right? I know the first two letters are 'Pa' for sure. Also, what about Nehemiah's occupation? He's a pensioner with the RN, all right. But after that it looks like it says 'Green'. From what I know about Nehemiah EVANS, he was always at Portsea, never Greenwich, so I don't think it's that. Please, can anybody enlighten me? Thanks a million. -- Penny Holt Victoria, British Columbia Canada ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I'm looking at the 1861 census, RG9/636 Folio 105 Page 19. This is Portsea, St. George's Ward, ecclesiastical parish of Holy Trinity. At household Number 136 we have Nehemiah EVANS and his wife, Eliza. What's their address? It looks like 4 Pafasto Court. Is that right? I know the first two letters are 'Pa' for sure. Also, what about Nehemiah's occupation? He's a pensioner with the RN, all right. But after that it looks like it says 'Green'. From what I know about Nehemiah EVANS, he was always at Portsea, never Greenwich, so I don't think it's that. Please, can anybody enlighten me? Thanks a million. -- Penny Holt Victoria, British Columbia Canada

Use the search by keyword facility at http://www.collectbritain.co.uk/ An excellent resource. Regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 8/14/05

I got it in Ontario. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <CALLADINEB@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] re: an excellant website > It came up as 'Can't find website' for me here in Canada. > > > Shannon > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T > SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

It came up as 'Can't find website' for me here in Canada. Shannon

From my notes - Hambledon Bishops Transcripts #164 August 5th 1815 Richard son of Cecilia and John Bligh born May 1st 1815 Whitedale Hambledon Occ: Captain in the Navy Perf. by R.G. Richards, Vicar also Edward Bligh bapt. March 2, 1814 born Jan. 2, 1814 Wonder if these are relatives of "the" Capt. Bligh? Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

Hello Linda and Tony I have a marriage in Hampshire, of, I think, a Sussex couple. Would you be able to check please? Robert PHILLIP(S) and Denys (Denise) SARGENT 29 Apr 1702 - Alverstoke I hope this one is there! Many thanks. Pam cliveden@acenet.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

--1124033339565 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello pam,i have just received richard william silk edwards marriage certificate,he married hilda crook 24th sept 1914,at st simons church southsea,mary ann lestrange his aunt was present at the wedding,i will send you a copy.take care pauline RONALD EDWARDS On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:07:10 +1000 pam <pam@netcall.com.au> wrote: --1124033339565 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([66.43.18.39]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:05:32 +0100 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) id j7CN74JY030346; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:07:04 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:07:04 -0600 X-Original-Sender: pam@netcall.com.au Fri Aug 12 17:07:04 2005 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050813090624.01cbb1b0@mail.netcall.com.au> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:07:10 +1000 Old-To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com From: pam <pam@netcall.com.au> Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Unwanted Certificate In-Reply-To: <002801c59f26$6f9a8b60$6401a8c0@MARLOW> References: <002801c59f26$6f9a8b60$6401a8c0@MARLOW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.16.34 Resent-Message-ID: <TXIw-C.A.4ZH.YuS_CB@lists2.rootsweb.com> To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/11647 X-Loop: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L-request@rootsweb.com Return-Path: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L-request@rootsweb.com Unable to access this web-site. Has anyone else had a problem? Pamela NSW At 08:13 PM 12/08/2005, you wrote: >Certificate exchange site where you can list your unwanted certs:~ > >http://bmd-cert-exch-site.ourwardfamily.com > >Edna - Ottawa > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Are they called brickwalls because there is always MORTAR find? ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx --1124033339565--

Would anyone have the Steele's Navy List handy. I'm looking for Thomas Worth (c1783-1810) RM Lieut. who died at Cadiz along with John Buckland and buried at the Trafalgar Cemetery, Gibraltar. Thank you, Edna - Ottawa

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Well you can post perhaps basic details ie bride and groom on the list and see if there is interest and it is FREE here! Perhaps we should all post our Hampshire or Portsmouth and Gosport ones? It can often activate others who may share another sibling or two and therefore find new relatives for others so a good idea all round. Look forward to the postings soon. Take care all and have a good day Linda and Tony there is another site worth trying but you have only one month free then it is a yearly fee unless you add more certificates that may be worth a go

----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] the VECK / ALBRAY connection? > > Not nece:ssarily a brickwall Jon as there is a baptism of George on the IGI > son of Richard Aubery and Eliza VECK 20 Oct 1797 Yep totally, that was the chr I was working from, thinking he may have taken on his father's 2nd name Aubery as his surname at some point. Seems like he didn't even get the chance to say his name, poor kid. Cheers both, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 8/12/05

----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] the VECK / ALBRAY connection? > > 30 M77 PR3 Bishops Waltham > George son of Richd Awbery and Eliz VECK > > These are the FULL burial details Jon and no age is mentioned but looks to > be yours! thanks both. Just as everything seemed to fit together so well, after hitting brickwall after brickwall, I've still got nowhere. anyone feel sorry for me? lol ... or am I feeling sorry for myself on me own? lol Ah well, back to the dratted drawing board yet again.... sigh ... Is someone having success out there? Would love to hear about it. Regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 8/12/05

Dear listers, I have just discovered a burial index at Bishops Waltham: George Veck - 11 February 1798 at Bishops Waltham no further details given. Is there anyone that can access the PR to see if this George was an infant or an older child/adult please? I've got this strong gut feeling that my theory has been smashed by the finding of this piece of info. Any additional information on this burial date of George Veck would be extremely appreciated. Regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 8/12/05

Hi everyone, I know I've posted on this list re my albray brickwall a couple of times, and sadly it stayed a brickwall. Apart from references to George Allberry/Aldbury/Aubery/Aubrey/Albray on parish fiches of Fareham and Gosport, the only info I have on his approx age of birth is the 1851 census of Fareham, where he was approx 53, (b1798), then take the usual 1 year difference that shows up, and we have a birth year of around 1797/8. No marriage records, no death or burial details, very little to go on. 3 children were born to George and his wife/partner Elizabeth Parsons formerly Childs: Rhoda 1843, James 1846, and HENRY my wife's grt grandfather in 1847. Well, my continued digging about may have paid off, or at least, I hope?? I found out recently that Henry Albray's mother-in-law to be, Elizabeth Harvey, was working as cook at the vicarage of St John's, Forton, in 1861. I thought she'd died, but evidently not! the Incumbent of St John's from 1831 to 1866 was Henry Veck. but, and this is a big but, his 2nd forename was, wait for it, AUBERY.....! Henry Albray's birth certificate of December 17 1847 had his name written as Aubery, and his two elder sibblings were christened at Fareham with the name Aubrey. So I found myself searching through the Veck family, to see if by any sheer chance Henry had a brother George born about 1797. Chances? Slimmer than slim? Well I started out by finding Henry aubery Veck's birth on the IGI, he was chr 1785 at Bishops Waltham. Great, that should at least give me his father's name, if not his parents names! and there it was, Richard Aubery Veck. Richard married Elizabeth Bulpett at Old alresford in 1784, although the parish details show that he was from bishops Waltham. OK, great, now, what other children did Richard and Elizabeth have? Believe it or not, they had a George! And when was George christened? Wait for it, waaaaaaiiiiit foooooorrr it!!! October 20, 1797......!!!! So, my current theory is that George Veck could have moved to the Fareham area and for some reason taken on his father's and brother's 2nd forename of "Aubery" as his surname. chances seem pretty good to me! As Elizabeth Harvey obviously knew Henry Aubery Veck, as she worked for him, then if Henry Albray was George Veck alias Albray's son, then there's every chance Henry Albray would have called in to visit his uncle Henry aubery Veck! Elizabeth Harvey could have taken a liking to young Henry, and could wel have introduced him to her daughter charlotte which eventually lead to the marriage of Henry albray and Charlotte Harvey on Oct 30, 1871. Makes sense to me, I'd be interested to know what other listers think? Quite a bit to take in, but it all adds up rather nicely I think? Let me know your conclusions on it please. kind regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 8/12/05

Not nece:ssarily a brickwall Jon as there is a baptism of George on the IGI son of Richard Aubery and Eliza VECK 20 Oct 1797 Think this is pretty close to your answer. Hope it helps,Linda and Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] the VECK / ALBRAY connection? > > 30 M77 PR3 Bishops Waltham > George son of Richd Awbery and Eliz VECK > > These are the FULL burial details Jon and no age is mentioned but looks to > be yours! thanks both. Just as everything seemed to fit together so well, after hitting brickwall after brickwall, I've still got nowhere. anyone feel sorry for me? lol ... or am I feeling sorry for myself on me own? lol Ah well, back to the dratted drawing board yet again.... sigh ... Is someone having success out there? Would love to hear about it. Regards to all, Jon

Hi Tony & Linda, I was only talking about this (these) very marriage(s) the other day, with one day difference between them, the 1st at Bishops Waltham and the 2nd at Alverstoke. It was suggested to me that it may have somehting to do with settlement laws, or keeping those settlement options open, I'm not sure how that all works to be honest with you. Thanks for this transcript, must have been rather nice for Harriet having her brother perform her marriage ceremony, even if it was the 2nd time around! lol Take care, will sort out that mail re the Albray and Veck connection shortly, see what comes of it. all the best, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 8/12/05