Hi, Would someone take a look at 1851 Census for an Emma CROOKs b. 1850 IOW. She would be about one year old. Thanks kindly, Edna - Ottawa

Hello Peter This was probably a committee made up of representatives of various insurance companies based in Portsmouth. When I first started studying for my exams in Portsmouth in the 1970's, the organisation was the Portsmouth Insurance Institute and arranged lectures, social events as well as an educational programme and the annual examinations for Associateship and Fellowship of the national organisation - the Chartered Insurance Institute. Any student automatically becomes a member of the Institute which commutes to life membership after retirement from full time employment. After I qualified, I held the post of Education Secretary for a few years but the Portsmouth Institute merged with Southampton several years ago. Somewhere I have a book with the names of the past presidents since the early 1900's and will dig it out and check the names for you. Take care Tony Knight

Funny you should ask that ! I've just been looking up where to find wills. It depends whether you're looking for wills before or after 1858. From 1858 proving a will was for the Court of Probate; and the wills are held at the Principal Registry of the Family Division Probate Search room where they can be read for a small fee (Address - First Avenue House 42 -49 High Holborn London WC1V 6NP; web address - www.courtservice.gov.uk/fand/prob_guidance.htm ) Copies of wills, probate and administration grants are available by post - for fee- from York Probate Sub-registry. You need to know the date of death. The National Probate Calendar is the index to these will and can be seen at the PRO (National Archives - Kew) the FRC, the Guildhall London, and the Society of Genealogists. You could try PROCAT - it's the online catalogue for the National Archives (website - pro.gov.uk) Before 1858, wills were proved in church courts - and records of these are usually held at county record offices The exception is the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, which is at the National Archives. (For these wills the court used for proving the will depended where the estate of the testator was located. There were three "levels"; archdeaconry, bishopric, archbishopric. If you only had property in one archdeaconry, the will was proved by the archdeaconry court; if the property was in two archdeaconries and one bishopric the will was proved in the bishop's court; if the estate was in more than one bishopric the archbishop's court - either York or Canterbury - proved the will.) All the above information is from "Tracing your Ancestors in the Public Record Office", Amanda Bevan,6th Ed., published by Public Record Office, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU. I've condensed and paraphrased. Hope this helps a bit - although I don't think you'll find the wills on line yet. In message <00ce01c5a2e1$e3cf92a0$3f555eca@hayward>, Patricia <pb123h@hypermax.net.au> writes >Hi, >I'm new to researching in Hampshire. Can anyone tell me if there is a >website to locate wills of people from Portsea? >thank you >Patricia, Australia > > > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T >SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > -- chris

Actually Liz, you will find him in 1881 as a boy 2nd class, age 15, born Sallyoak, Worcester, on HMS Impregnable in Devonport. HMS Impregnable at that time was a Boy's Training Ship in Devonport. David

You didn't say which year. Wills up to 1858 are held at Winchester Records Office & copies cost £3 as long as you have the details. if you don't they may charge a Research fee. Ann D??? (I can never remember her name - search on Isle of Wight Coastguards for her website - it has masses of info) has an index of Hampshire Wills to 1858 & she is happy to look up names. Some Hampshire libraries may also have the index on fiche (I found the 3 Wills I'm about to order from Hampshire Record Office, by looking at the fiche at Gosport library) After 1858 they are in Chancery Lane Holborn, London. If you are able to get there, they charge £5 for a Will (or did last time I was there - you need to find the name/year & some of those books are pretty heavy!). There is a Probate office in York (try to google on Probate Office York)which can supply copies of Wills by post or e-mail - I haven't tried it so don't know what they charge. Hope that helps - by the way what names are you looking for in Portsea? Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: <EWRAYSURE@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Finding a Will > Hi, > > Not a web site, but in addition to the holdings at the > National Archives, Hampshire Record Office at Winchester > hold Hampshire wills and will search for a smallish fee. > Check out their web site for the Search Catalogue option > which may throw up some surprises. > > Philip > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to visit to meet up with old relatives > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi, All PCC wills for the period of 1384-1858 are now available to download (at a cost of L3.(?) each) from this site provided by The National Archives. www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/ Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

Hi Liz, HMS Duke of Wellington was launched in 14 Sept 1852 as HMS Windsor Castle but was renamed in honour of the Duke who died on that day. After serving in the Crimean War she was relegated to harbour service in Portsmouth in 1863. She was decommissioned in 1909 so would have appeared in the 1871,1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz McAsey" <eamcasey@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] HMS The Duke of Wellington census returns > Please could anyone tellme if there were census returns for HMS Duke of > Wellington,I am looking for a sailor who gave that ship as the one he was > serving on onhis daughters birth certificate in Portsea in 1890, his name > was Anthony Rattenbury [or Rottenbury Griffiths and he was born Birmingham. > Thanks, > Liz > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Granny SMITHs aren't just the name of an apple they are in many a family tree too > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

My grandfather Richard Daniel Gawn (1862-1950) was a civilian writer in Portsmouth Dockyard. He was also a lifelong member of the Manchester Unity of Odd Fellows and held various senior positions in that organization. According to his obituary he was for many years a member of Portsmouth Insurance Committee. I assume that this committee would have functioned between the two World Wars prior to the introduction of government-managed social services. I've not been able to find out anything about the Committee. Does anybody have any information about it? Thanks, Peter Gawn Canada.

Please could anyone tellme if there were census returns for HMS Duke of Wellington,I am looking for a sailor who gave that ship as the one he was serving on onhis daughters birth certificate in Portsea in 1890, his name was Anthony Rattenbury [or Rottenbury Griffiths and he was born Birmingham. Thanks, Liz

Hi, I'm new to researching in Hampshire. Can anyone tell me if there is a website to locate wills of people from Portsea? thank you Patricia, Australia

In message <00ce01c5a2e1$e3cf92a0$3f555eca@hayward>, Patricia <pb123h@hypermax.net.au> writes >I'm new to researching in Hampshire. Can anyone tell me if there is a >website to locate wills of people from Portsea? Not just Portsea, but try http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatI D=6&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1 or http://makeashorterlink.com/?I2C0151AB is the handy pocket-sized version! -- Jenny M Benson

Hi, Not a web site, but in addition to the holdings at the National Archives, Hampshire Record Office at Winchester hold Hampshire wills and will search for a smallish fee. Check out their web site for the Search Catalogue option which may throw up some surprises. Philip

Hi Linda & Tony, Thanks for these. Now if I could just find baptisms for the 12 children in this family I would be one happy bunny! I have only managed to find them with the census, which is why I had missed young Thomas until now. Anne Mountifield ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Look-up request : WEARN burials. St Mary's, Portsea > > Hi Anne > here they are > Linda and Tony > > > St Mary's Portsea CHU3/1E/31 > > > page & entry 194/1547 > George > WEARN > Bow Street > May 25 1852 > 7 > 196/1565 > Richard > WEARN > Bow Street > June 2 1852 > 5 > 196/1566 > Thomas > WEARN > Bow Street > June 3 1852 > 8mos

Dear Linda and Tony, Could you kindly do another look-up for me please? Richard Voysey married Frances Gardener on 14 Nov 1842 at St Mary's, Portsea. Thank you. Margaret

Hi, Did find a birth of Kate Crooks along with the name of Brown in IOW. Kate CROOKS - did she have a twin sister, Emma? 2nd Qtr 1850 Vol. 8, Pg. 245 IOW Have her (Kate Crook) marriage info. to George ROSS in 1875 and she does not give a parent's name at all. A lady, who is now on holidays, is going to look the birth up in the cards in the IOW. At the moment, just awaiting the good lady's return. KNIGHTs: No connection, as yet, to your Ada KNIGHT - COURTNELL family. With thanks, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Harnett" <sally.harnett@homecall.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:30 AM Subject: RE: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Kate KNIGHT b. 1850 Ryde Hello Edna, I have Ada (KNIGHT) married to Frederick COURTNELL, blacksmith, on the 1901, living 30, Thorncroft Rd, P'mth. She is on the 1881 aged 8, living with parents Francis KNIGHT b.1830, bricklayer, and Jane, b.1829, and siblings James, Selina and Louisa. Parents and Louisa are living with COURTNELLs on the 1901. Have you found Kate's parents yet? Any connections? Best wishes, Sally -----Original Message----- From: Edna & Ken [mailto:ekbrit@rogers.com] Sent: 09 August 2005 18:12 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Kate KNIGHT b. 1850 Ryde Thanks kindly to all who are helping me to find Kate CROOK or KNIGHT b. 1850 Ryde IOW. I have lots to work to do now. Sincere appreciation, Edna - Ottawa ---- Hi there, I' m going to try with the name KNIGHT instead of CROOK. Searching for birth of Kate KNIGHT b. circa Ryde IOW 1850. Have checked the GRO and IGI even under Catherine. With appreciation, Edna - sunny Ottawa ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 03/08/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005 ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Hi Linda & Tony Managed to miss out the date of a baptism I picked up at Gosport Library, hope you can supply the missing info. CHU42/1B/1 Page 229 no 1831 James, son of Thomas & Ann HINES, Hardway, born 1 June 1818 Thanks Rita

Hello Edna, I have Ada (KNIGHT) married to Frederick COURTNELL, blacksmith, on the 1901, living 30, Thorncroft Rd, P'mth. She is on the 1881 aged 8, living with parents Francis KNIGHT b.1830, bricklayer, and Jane, b.1829, and siblings James, Selina and Louisa. Parents and Louisa are living with COURTNELLs on the 1901. Have you found Kate's parents yet? Any connections? Best wishes, Sally -----Original Message----- From: Edna & Ken [mailto:ekbrit@rogers.com] Sent: 09 August 2005 18:12 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Kate KNIGHT b. 1850 Ryde Thanks kindly to all who are helping me to find Kate CROOK or KNIGHT b. 1850 Ryde IOW. I have lots to work to do now. Sincere appreciation, Edna - Ottawa ---- Hi there, I' m going to try with the name KNIGHT instead of CROOK. Searching for birth of Kate KNIGHT b. circa Ryde IOW 1850. Have checked the GRO and IGI even under Catherine. With appreciation, Edna - sunny Ottawa ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 03/08/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:51:53 -0700, Penny Holt <pennyholt@shaw.ca> wrote: >Also, what about Nehemiah's occupation? He's a pensioner with the RN, >all right. But after that it looks like it says 'Green'. From what I >know about Nehemiah EVANS, he was always at Portsea, never Greenwich, so >I don't think it's that. A Greenwich Pensioner implies that he had been awarded a pension from the RN via Greenwich Hospital - not that he lived in Greenwich - see the following URL on my website : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Navy_List_1879/Pensions_Ratings.html Regards Paul 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi Anne here they are Linda and Tony St Mary's Portsea CHU3/1E/31 page & entry 194/1547 George WEARN Bow Street May 25 1852 7 196/1565 Richard WEARN Bow Street June 2 1852 5 196/1566 Thomas WEARN Bow Street June 3 1852 8mos Please could you check St Mary's, Portsea, for burial entries for the following : George WEARN Richard WEARN Thomas WEARN Their deaths are all registered in the June quarter of 1852. If, as I suspect, they are brothers it would explain how George Richard Thomas WEARN, born 1860, got his name, especially as the family only had daughters between those dates! Many thanks. Anne Mountifield

Hello Pam here are te full marriage details. CHU42/1A/2 Alverstoke Robert PHILLIPS and Ann SERGEANT of Hastings in Sussex were married by licence ? 29 April 1702 Think the IGI read Anand a capital D wrong but definitely Ann. Hope it helps,Linda and Tony I have a marriage in Hampshire, of, I think, a Sussex couple. Would you be able to check please? Robert PHILLIP(S) and Denys (Denise) SARGENT 29 Apr 1702 - Alverstoke I hope this one is there! Many thanks. Pam