Hi Eileen not sure if I have asked about your Ovenden connections b4 Regards Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eilleen E Ovenden" <eilleenovenden@netspace.net.au> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Re: HMS The Duke of Wellington census returns >I have the census for the Duke of Wellington in 1901, or part of it @ > RG13/1000 > > As I understand it she was a permanent fixture in the harbour for a very > long period. > > HTH > Eilleen > Sunshine Coast > Queensland > > > > >> Please could anyone tellme if there were census returns for HMS Duke of >> Wellington,I am looking for a sailor who gave that ship as the one he was >> serving on onhis daughters birth certificate in Portsea in 1890, his name >> was Anthony Rattenbury [or Rottenbury Griffiths and he was born >> Birmingham. >> Thanks, >> Liz > > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005 > >

Hello Margaret, My old school Purbrook Park was a grammar school, have you thought of that? Best wishes, Sally in Rutland. -----Original Message----- From: margaret jessup [mailto:maggie2lo@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 18 August 2005 20:00 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Portsmouth schools Dear List, Family legend has it that Henry Jessup was Head Boy of Portsmouth Grammar School round about 1910/15. The archivist of the school can find no record of the fact. I am not quite convinced. However there is another alternative and that is Gosport Grammar School. Can anyone tell me where I can find records of both Portsmouth and Gosport Grammar Schools for this period. Any help would be most appreciated. Thank you, Margaret Jessup. ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005

Hi everyone, Does anyone know if burial records are available for Saint John's Church, Forton, Gosport please? Regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 8/17/05

Hi From what i understand from other lists, Divorce was extremely expensive and only for the very wealthy in those times. suze ----- Original Message ----- From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] A Question - divorce / Widowed > Hi everyone, > > a thought has just crossed my mind. > If, for example, a wife had divorced her husband in 1859, and never > remarried, what would she have been recorded as on the 1861 census? Widow? > I've not come across "divorced" on a census as yet. > > Regards to all, Jon > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 8/17/05 > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Granny SMITHs aren't just the name of an apple they are in many a family > tree too > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005 > >

Hi Stacey, The father of Thomas was Richard GARDNER and apparently he was a carpenter according to the details at the time of the marriage of Thomas GARDNER to Mary Ann LEE on 11/2/1862 at St Mary's, Portsea. At the moment I am not aware of any Chichester connections. Best wishes, Alan Siddorn ---------- From: "stacey gardner" <stacey.gardner3@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] GARDNER children Hi Alan I was very interested in your Gardner names, I have loads of Gardner's in my tree and was wondering if there is a link. Would you be able to tell me Thomas' fathers name. Do you have any connections to the Chichester and surrounding areas. Regards Stacey Gardner

Hi everyone, a thought has just crossed my mind. If, for example, a wife had divorced her husband in 1859, and never remarried, what would she have been recorded as on the 1861 census? Widow? I've not come across "divorced" on a census as yet. Regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 8/17/05

Hi Alan I was very interested in your Gardner names, I have loads of Gardner's in my tree and was wondering if there is a link. Would you be able to tell me Thomas' fathers name. Do you have any connections to the Chichester and surrounding areas. Regards Stacey Gardner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Siddorn" <alan@siddorn.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:32 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] GARDNER children > Could anyone please help with baptism or birth details for any of the > following children of Thomas & Mary Ann GARDNER: > > Eliza Ellen GARDNER b.1860 Portsea > Arthur Henry GARDNER b.1863 Portsea > James Thomas GARDNER b.1867 Portsea > Annie Maria GARDNER b.1870 Portsea > > Rose Hannah GARDNER b.1872 Portsmouth > Ada Mary GARDNER b.1875 Portsmouth > Albert Edward GARDNER b.1877 Portsmouth > > Lillie Louisa GARDNER b. 1879 Soberton or Portsmouth > > Best wishes, > Alan Siddorn > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Are they called brickwalls because there is always MORTAR find? > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Linda & Tony Could you please look up a baptism at Holy Trinity Gosport 25 Jan 1863, for Martha BOWERS Thanks Rita

Could anyone please help with baptism or birth details for any of the following children of Thomas & Mary Ann GARDNER: Eliza Ellen GARDNER b.1860 Portsea Arthur Henry GARDNER b.1863 Portsea James Thomas GARDNER b.1867 Portsea Annie Maria GARDNER b.1870 Portsea Rose Hannah GARDNER b.1872 Portsmouth Ada Mary GARDNER b.1875 Portsmouth Albert Edward GARDNER b.1877 Portsmouth Lillie Louisa GARDNER b. 1879 Soberton or Portsmouth Best wishes, Alan Siddorn

Hi Linda & Tony I've made another error in info from Gosport Library visit. Could you please check CHU42/1B/5 Baptisms at Alverstoke Page 361 no 2887. Florence Alvena Butland, I have her baptism date as 1 Nov 1868 and her birth as 31 August 1869!! Could you please let me know whether it is 1868 or 1869. Many thanks Rita

There are several school log books etc relating to Portsmouth schools at the Portsmouth Record Office. They are well indexed. I found school records for my grandfather, Charles Mills, who taught at St Lukes and my great uncle, Archibold Mills who was Headmaster of the Beneficial School in the early 20th century. Philip

thanks for this information Patricia, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: chris To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Finding a Will Funny you should ask that ! I've just been looking up where to find wills. It depends whether you're looking for wills before or after 1858. From 1858 proving a will was for the Court of Probate; and the wills are held at the Principal Registry of the Family Division Probate Search room where they can be read for a small fee (Address - First Avenue House 42 -49 High Holborn London WC1V 6NP; web address - www.courtservice.gov.uk/fand/prob_guidance.htm ) Copies of wills, probate and administration grants are available by post - for fee- from York Probate Sub-registry. You need to know the date of death. The National Probate Calendar is the index to these will and can be seen at the PRO (National Archives - Kew) the FRC, the Guildhall London, and the Society of Genealogists. You could try PROCAT - it's the online catalogue for the National Archives (website - pro.gov.uk) Before 1858, wills were proved in church courts - and records of these are usually held at county record offices The exception is the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, which is at the National Archives. (For these wills the court used for proving the will depended where the estate of the testator was located. There were three "levels"; archdeaconry, bishopric, archbishopric. If you only had property in one archdeaconry, the will was proved by the archdeaconry court; if the property was in two archdeaconries and one bishopric the will was proved in the bishop's court; if the estate was in more than one bishopric the archbishop's court - either York or Canterbury - proved the will.) All the above information is from "Tracing your Ancestors in the Public Record Office", Amanda Bevan,6th Ed., published by Public Record Office, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU. I've condensed and paraphrased. Hope this helps a bit - although I don't think you'll find the wills on line yet. In message <00ce01c5a2e1$e3cf92a0$3f555eca@hayward>, Patricia <pb123h@hypermax.net.au> writes >Hi, >I'm new to researching in Hampshire. Can anyone tell me if there is a >website to locate wills of people from Portsea? >thank you >Patricia, Australia > > > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T >SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > -- chris ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk for newbies info,photos of local areas & for free look ups on the PRs we have at home. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

The year is 1902, I am looking for information on the family of William Tidd Matson, he was an Indepentent Minister in the 1881 Census Patricia, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Rita Newton To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Finding a Will You didn't say which year. Wills up to 1858 are held at Winchester Records Office & copies cost £3 as long as you have the details. if you don't they may charge a Research fee. Ann D??? (I can never remember her name - search on Isle of Wight Coastguards for her website - it has masses of info) has an index of Hampshire Wills to 1858 & she is happy to look up names. Some Hampshire libraries may also have the index on fiche (I found the 3 Wills I'm about to order from Hampshire Record Office, by looking at the fiche at Gosport library) After 1858 they are in Chancery Lane Holborn, London. If you are able to get there, they charge £5 for a Will (or did last time I was there - you need to find the name/year & some of those books are pretty heavy!). There is a Probate office in York (try to google on Probate Office York)which can supply copies of Wills by post or e-mail - I haven't tried it so don't know what they charge. Hope that helps - by the way what names are you looking for in Portsea? Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: <EWRAYSURE@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Finding a Will > Hi, > > Not a web site, but in addition to the holdings at the > National Archives, Hampshire Record Office at Winchester > hold Hampshire wills and will search for a smallish fee. > Check out their web site for the Search Catalogue option > which may throw up some surprises. > > Philip > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to visit to meet up with old relatives > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Will do, thank you Patricia, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: EWRAYSURE@aol.com To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Finding a Will Hi, Not a web site, but in addition to the holdings at the National Archives, Hampshire Record Office at Winchester hold Hampshire wills and will search for a smallish fee. Check out their web site for the Search Catalogue option which may throw up some surprises. Philip ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to visit to meet up with old relatives ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

thank you I'll try that Patricia, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Jenny M Benson To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Finding a Will In message <00ce01c5a2e1$e3cf92a0$3f555eca@hayward>, Patricia <pb123h@hypermax.net.au> writes >I'm new to researching in Hampshire. Can anyone tell me if there is a >website to locate wills of people from Portsea? Not just Portsea, but try http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatI D=6&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1 or http://makeashorterlink.com/?I2C0151AB is the handy pocket-sized version! -- Jenny M Benson ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

In a message dated 18/08/2005 14:15:30 GMT Standard Time, pashley@austarnet.com.au writes: p.s. I suppose there was no info about a birth date. Cheers. No sorry Rod - that was the entry in all its glory Take care Linda & Tony

Hi, I would it she would be marked Divorced. Very few women divorced and those that did were rich. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] A Question - divorce / Widowed Hi everyone, a thought has just crossed my mind. If, for example, a wife had divorced her husband in 1859, and never remarried, what would she have been recorded as on the 1861 census? Widow? I've not come across "divorced" on a census as yet. Regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 8/17/05 ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Granny SMITHs aren't just the name of an apple they are in many a family tree too ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

In a message dated 18/08/2005 07:12:52 GMT Standard Time, chris@coalole.demon.co.uk writes: The National Probate Calendar is the index to these will and can be seen at the PRO (National Archives - Kew) the FRC, the Guildhall London, and the Society of Genealogists The NPC is also avaliable at The Hampshire RO, Winchester on microfiche. Take care Linda & Tony

Hi, A friend of mine wishes to inform you that she, Liz Newbery, is transcribing the complete list of Cornwall's Constabulary from its inception in 1857 - 1967 and that there are several men from Hampshire and IOW, who moved to Cornwall in the 1850s and are on the list. If you see a name you recognise and want to see full details, you should click on the E-mail address and send her details of the names and pages and she'll give full details. She can't do anything without the page number...people are already driving her mad because they think she can look up a name...she can't, there are almost 200 pages to transcribe, about 12 pages and names are being added weekly. They can either go to her index page www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery or direct to http://www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery/police.htm liz.newbery@bigfoot.com ----- Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

Dear List, Family legend has it that Henry Jessup was Head Boy of Portsmouth Grammar School round about 1910/15. The archivist of the school can find no record of the fact. I am not quite convinced. However there is another alternative and that is Gosport Grammar School. Can anyone tell me where I can find records of both Portsmouth and Gosport Grammar Schools for this period. Any help would be most appreciated. Thank you, Margaret Jessup.