Ah see, it all came out in the wash! Good news for sure. Edna - born in 4th Qtr \\\\ ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Certificates phew breath again eh Jean. I think I have found the problem they came back and said they searched Dec qrt when in fact it is Sep. I cannot say who's error this is as I have no copy of the online application, but I cant see me putting wrong qrt tongue in cheek Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <GillettHistory@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Certificates > Hi Bob,Bryce & I transcribe for Free BMD and I have just had a look at > the > Scans we work from. The 1894 Sept Qtr is typed and is as clear as a bell > and > it is as you say Vol 5c P577 Sep Qtr Bridgewater. So it is not a > transcribing > error this time!!!. > Best Wishes Jean. > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Linda & Tony Thank you so much for the recent look-ups, can I hassle you for another one please. Ann HINE to Thomas John MARETT on 23 Aug 1864 at Alverstoke. Many thanks Rita

Thanks anyway, I'll have to give it some more thought. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] BLEACH > > Hello Margaret if you go to www.familysearch.org and then IGI and type in > batch number C062491 you will see there is a Mary Ann BLEACH in 1821 and in 1851 > a Martha but no Mary Ann see what you think maybe she is one but maybe not.. > Trouble is a birth place isn't always a baptism place and a 1/4 on BMD could > be a baptism anytime from birth to adulthood. > The baptism could have taken place anywhere in or out of the area too say > Portsea (many churches) as an example. > Family history is fun isn't it) > Sorry,Linda and Tony > > > Free BMD shows the birth of Mary Ann BLEACH at Havant in the June quarter of > 1853. > Would it be possible to see if there is a baptism recorded at Havant church > please? > Thank you. > Margaret > > > > > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Don't go barking up the wrong tree be like a good chef and ALWAYS check your SOURCES > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Bob,Bryce & I transcribe for Free BMD and I have just had a look at the Scans we work from. The 1894 Sept Qtr is typed and is as clear as a bell and it is as you say Vol 5c P577 Sep Qtr Bridgewater. So it is not a transcribing error this time!!!. Best Wishes Jean.

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Hi, Looks like your Walter James Catchpole married Elizabeth Jane Clarke 3rd Qtr 1894 5c 577 Bridgwater, Somerset (Free B-M-D). Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Certificates Hi Jon I have sent them a stinking email with the image off Ancestry.com so we will see what happens. I presume this data base is the same as they use. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Certificates > Hi bob > > That matches up with the index on Free BMD as well. That's very odd. I've > not had this problem, but I did have a problem where I had the wrong > surname > for the child, I gave them mother's details, sadly her surname was > different > to what I expected and they charged me for that search. then 2 days later > the correct entry turned up on Free BMD. Nothing like your situation > though. > try contacting them and say you've double checked the index from more than > one source and the they appear to be correct, and see what they say. > > Take care, Jon > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 8/22/05 > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Are they called brickwalls because there is always MORTAR find? > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Hi, Just ask them to recheck. On Free B-M-D, did he marry a lady with surname CLARKE or LOVIBOND? Just ask them to recheck and they will. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Certificates Can someone help me regain my sanity. I applied for a certificate with a Ref Sep 1894 District Bridgewater County Somerset Vol 5c page 577 for a marriage of Walter James Catchpole which I took from Ancestry.com. they have now come back and said that this reference is invalid for that name and charged me £3 for looking at it. Is this right when clearly the reference is right as it is on the database. What do I do. has anyone else had this problem. Annoyed Bob ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk for newbies info,photos of local areas & for free look ups on the PRs we have at home. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Tony & Linda, I wonder if you'd be kind enough to look up a couple of Holy Trinity, Gosport Baptims for me? They are James Paul - 20 March 1789 Mary Paul - 12 February 1790 -- Jenny M Benson

Hi everyone, If there is anyone trawling through the 1841 census of Hants, particularly Portsea, Fareham and Gosport areas, could they please keep an eye open for a George Allberry/Aldbury/Aubery/Aubrey/Albury/Albray etc etc? Believed to have been born outside the county, and more than likely working as a Labourer. Marital status unknown, and aged around 43 in real terms (going by his age given on the 1851 census). Thanks in advance, kind regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 8/22/05

Hi I am now a retired hackney taxi driver. I was the third generation of cab drivers in my family and was wondering where if any there would be records of licences issued back as far as late 1800's. Strange request I know but knowing how clever you lot are I am sure you will come up with something. Bob Newell

Hello Pam the HGS sells the 1851 index see http://www.hgs-online.org.uk/hgs_pub_1851.htm Hope it helps,Linda and Tony

Many thanks once again. I am going to change to digest mode as this seems to be a very active list and a very helpful as well. Meg ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 22 August 2005 19:14 Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] BRAMBLE > > The marriage entry and baptism relating to the BRAMLEs wer spelled ROSS. > On free BMD site there is a marriage for a Jemima ROHSS Dec 1/4 1871 Portsea > district. > Also if you go to > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm clcik on country slection menu, then England,then Hampshire and > then P for Portsea put in a name top right hand corner and close a window > each time you click on a church and the name will return on its own for the > surname ie ROHSS. > There will be a variation as many couldn't read or write and therefore there > was a tendency to write as sounded. > Hope you can understand what we have written it isn't as awfl as it sounds > and very fruitful. > Good luck Meg. > Linda and Tony > > Thanks very much for the information re Mary Ann Ross. Are you able to say > if there were any Röhss entries in the Portsea area? > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to visit to meet up with old relatives > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005

Hi Bob Can't answer your query specifically, but if you look on one of my favourite sites, which is www.historicaldirectories.org, you will see there are eighteen directories for Hampshire there, some of which date back to the eighteenth century. Apart from Kelly's there were Pigots, Slaters and Post Office directories and more, all with useful information and very easy to search Hope this helps a little Margaret > Could someone tell me what year the Kelly's directories started approx. > > Bob > >

Hi Bob I've just been having a play around on there myself, and have found the seamans' enrollment details for my wife's great grandfather yeeehaaaaa joy of joys cool isn't it! lol JOn ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] National Archives > You will all be glad to know I have finally sussed out how to use the > archive hallelujah > > Bob > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Granny SMITHs aren't just the name of an apple they are in many a family tree too > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/05

coool ----- Original Message ----- From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] National Archives > Hi Bob > I've just been having a play around on there myself, and have found the > seamans' enrollment details for my wife's great grandfather yeeehaaaaa joy > of joys > cool isn't it! lol > JOn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:51 PM > Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] National Archives > > >> You will all be glad to know I have finally sussed out how to use the >> archive hallelujah >> >> Bob >> >> >> ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >> Granny SMITHs aren't just the name of an apple they are in many a family > tree too >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/05 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/05 > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk for newbies > info,photos of local areas & for free look ups on the PRs we have at home. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

thanks didn't I see you on the Somerset and Surrey as well ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Ann HUIT > How about Superintendant & Gunner? I'm on this list too! > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Ann HUIT > > > thanks Mike nice to hear from you again > I doubt it his father as the Gunner was b 1787 ( what does Super & Gunner > mean) I would probably put his age about right for Ann's b 1819. what is > the > link to national archives I always have trouble with that > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Hillmoore@aol.com> > To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Ann HUIT > > >> Hi Bob, >> >> Its always worth giving the National Archives a going over. Your >> boatswain >> is there in several references serving from 1818 t0 1854. The boatswain >> looks >> after all the masts, boats and rigging, the Gunner the guns, Ammunition >> and >> Powder. I suspect the gunner is the son of the boatswain. >> >> Mike >> Waterlooville >> >> >> ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >> Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to >> visit to meet up with old relatives >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors >> at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to > visit to meet up with old relatives > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

You will all be glad to know I have finally sussed out how to use the archive hallelujah Bob

Bob Super is probably an abbreviation for Superannuation ie a form of pensionable service open to some warrant officers. Regards Paul On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:24:38 +0100, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: >thanks Mike nice to hear from you again >I doubt it his father as the Gunner was b 1787 ( what does Super & Gunner >mean) I would probably put his age about right for Ann's b 1819. what is the >link to national archives I always have trouble with that > >Bob > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Hillmoore@aol.com> >To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:13 PM >Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Ann HUIT > > >> Hi Bob, >> >> Its always worth giving the National Archives a going over. Your boatswain >> is there in several references serving from 1818 t0 1854. The boatswain >> looks >> after all the masts, boats and rigging, the Gunner the guns, Ammunition >> and >> Powder. I suspect the gunner is the son of the boatswain. >> >> Mike >> Waterlooville >> >> >> ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >> Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to >> visit to meet up with old relatives >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >> at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

>could he have changed his trade in the RN. Suggestions wanted Highly unlikely Bob, dare I say impossible - "if" they are the same person most likely someone got it wrong on the latter entry - you know what relations are - they think they know what you do or did, but in fact have little real idea. By the time they made Gunner or Boatswain, they were usually be at an age where a change would be almost impossible ie a whole load of new skills, acquired over many years. They would both have probably spent many years achieving the status of Warrant Officer, probably with many ups and downs on the way, this at a time when structured advancement on the lower deck was still very much in its infancy and full of ups and downs, and his rating ie ORD., AB, PO etc. would depend very much on the First Lieutenant on each ship he joined in the early years of his career. For the record the PRO catalogue, http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/Default.asp as far as I can see, only includes one warrant officer with this name ADM 29/23/397 Original page number: 397 William HUIT; Rank: Boatswain; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry: [Not Given]; Dates served: 28 February 1818-31 December 1854 and see also ADM 29/23/406 for what appears to be the same person, both B'suns. Regret they would both appear to have gone to pension (if they are two different people) before Warrant Officers were included in the Navy List, so one can't check from that angle. Regards Paul On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:51:57 +0100, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: >Hi it's about time I gave one of my walls a dusting off and try to sort it. >Looking for Birth details and parents of Ann HUIT b abt 1819, father on her >marriage cert was William HUIT Boatswain RN. A witness was a Mary HUIT >(could be mother). Ann married Thomas HOLLIS 26 Jun 1842 Portsea, she died 4 >May 1845 Portsea. The nearest I can find is 1871 census Portsea William HUIT >head b abt 1787 Liverpool occ Gunner RN and Mary Wife b abt 1794 N America, >Canada. Could they be the same, both in RN what's difference between Gunner >and Boatswain could he have changed his trade in the RN. Suggestions wanted > >Bob Newell > > > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk for newbies info,photos of local areas & for free look ups on the PRs we have at home. > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

well I tried and failed on both of them the archives I have not a clue all I can find is reference numbers no details of anyone and google typed in HUIT and when that came up typed in ADM and just got a lot of civilian firms >??? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hillmoore@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Ann HUIT > go to _www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search_ > (http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search) or try google. hit > the search button and enter > HUITT do not enter dates then enter ADM for Admiralty and it shouls come > up. > > Good luck > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Don't go barking up the wrong tree be like a good chef and ALWAYS check > your SOURCES > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >