Dear Rita, I have just read "Wills Before 1858" by Eve McLaughlin in which she says that sons were not usually left off the will, even after disputes, because they might come back and contest the will. Could he have done that? Although an errant son was usually left one shilling (cut off with a shilling) to prevent him doing so. So could he have already received his portion? Alternatively, if the parents disapproved of the marriage they sometimes cut them off. As to the "bricklayer", my MOOREs are described as such on censuses, sometimes master bricklayers, but I am reliably informed they owned their own building companies. Incidentally, I have HYNES in Portsmouth in my COURTNELL tree. Best wishes, Sally. -----Original Message----- From: Rita Newton [mailto:newton.r@tesco.net] Sent: 27 August 2005 18:48 To: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] James HINES Will 1855 & info within Hi list Just transcribed the 1855 Will of my 3rd g grandfather, James HINES, a bricklayer, who lived in Frater Lane Elson, Gosport. It's amazing! He owned about 9 properties in Elson & Hardway area, all with tenants, left to various children, (or if they had died, to their children) apart from the youngest son George who was not mentioned at all in the Will, odd as he was about 30 at the time, and had been living at home until he married Ann PEARMAN in 1854. Surnames of tenants were MARKES, NICHOLSON, HOPPER, HUTCHINS, WINHALL, LALLAWAY, COMPTON, SEYMOUR, & LEANE, in case some one can connect with these names. My queries are how did a bricklayer accumulate so many properties in that era - any ideas? why was George left off the Will (we have his Will & he left property to various nephews) where is Alder's Lane, in the parish of Alverstoke I can't find it in the 1851 Census All advice/help appreciated Rita ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Don't go barking up the wrong tree be like a good chef and ALWAYS check your SOURCES ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005

Thanks again as always. Your fan Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: <PublicityHGS@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] ] Christening look up for Clarinda Stiles. > > In a message dated 18/08/2005 14:15:30 GMT Standard Time, > pashley@austarnet.com.au writes: > > p.s. I suppose there was no info about a birth date. Cheers. > > > > No sorry Rod - that was the entry in all its glory > Take care > Linda & Tony > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk for newbies > info,photos of local areas & for free look ups on the PRs we have at home. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 > >

Just in case we have noticed that www.familysearch.org and IGI is unsearchable due to maintenance. Linda and Tony

Hi list Just transcribed the 1855 Will of my 3rd g grandfather, James HINES, a bricklayer, who lived in Frater Lane Elson, Gosport. It's amazing! He owned about 9 properties in Elson & Hardway area, all with tenants, left to various children, (or if they had died, to their children) apart from the youngest son George who was not mentioned at all in the Will, odd as he was about 30 at the time, and had been living at home until he married Ann PEARMAN in 1854. Surnames of tenants were MARKES, NICHOLSON, HOPPER, HUTCHINS, WINHALL, LALLAWAY, COMPTON, SEYMOUR, & LEANE, in case some one can connect with these names. My queries are how did a bricklayer accumulate so many properties in that era - any ideas? why was George left off the Will (we have his Will & he left property to various nephews) where is Alder's Lane, in the parish of Alverstoke I can't find it in the 1851 Census All advice/help appreciated Rita

I understand that this should have gone to the list. P On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:21:35 EDT, Hillmoore@aol.com wrote: >Paul is absolutely right. My wifes Great G Grandfather was a Carpenter in >the RN and was sent to Jersey to assist in building the harbour wall at St >Martin. His family went with him and he had two children while stationed there >for about five years. > >Almost certainly he went to sea and never returned. > >Mike >Waterlooville > > 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Leonie, My father Richard W.L. Gawn, known as Dick, was born in 1893 in Clive Road, Fratton, parish of Portsea. He had a lifelong friend Alfred J. Pritchatt, known to me as "Uncle" Alfie. I suppose they met when they were children, or perhaps at the youth group known as the White Company run by St Boniface Mission Church, a satellite of the parish church of St Mary, Portsea. Here's what little I know about AJP: - In 1914 living at 20 Walton Road, Woking, Surrey - Served in the Army in WWI (1914-1918). I think I have a note of his unit address somewhere - Married and children, but I don't know their names - Was a dentist - Moved to Ipswich, Suffolk, perhaps in the 1930s - A good amateur artist: my father kept a watercolour of his over his bed - They had a mutual friend "Bersey" NORRIS, whom I can't identify - My younger sister visited the Pritchatts in Ipswich in the late 1940s or early 1950s. I may have other snippets buried in my father's diaries or my own - I left England for Canada in 1954. Could Alfie Pritchatt be your relative? Best wishes, Peter Gawn Sechelt, B.C., Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonie Oliver" <gloliver@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: PRITCHATT family-Portsea > Hi all > I am looking for any descendants of a seaman (RN), Alfred Moore PRITCHATT, born Birmingham in 1848, and his wife Jessie Bruce ANDREWS, who married in Portsea in 1877. They had 4 children, Amelia Bruce who married William J McCarthy in Portsmouth in 1915, Jessie Matilda who married in 1910 (husband unknown), Alice Mary and Alfred Joseph. > Alfred Moore Pritchatt and his family were all living in Portsea in the 1901 census. He retired from the Royal Navy in 1886 and seems to have remained in the Portsea area for the rest of his life. > I would love to make contact with living relatives or with anyone who is connected to this family in any way. Alfred Moore Pritchatt's brother Edmund immigrated to Australia in 1890. > Thanks > Leonie Oliver > Binna Burra > NSW > Australia > > ______________________________

Hi Tony, Sounds plausible, particularly if one views the old friendly societies such as the Odd Fellows as insurance providers - if not insurance companies. I imagined that the Committee was some kind of co-ordinating body, perhaps under civic sponsorship, working to harmonize and improve the delivery of welfare benefits, possibly with the participation of the major local employers - Dockyard, utility companies, & so on. My grandfather, who, I gather, had a well-developed social conscience, remained active in the Odd Fellows until shortly before his death. A google search didn't produce anything. Cheers, Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Portsmouth Insurance Committee > Hello Peter > This was probably a committee made up of representatives of various > insurance companies based in Portsmouth. When I first started studying for my exams > in Portsmouth in the 1970's, the organisation was the Portsmouth Insurance > Institute and arranged lectures, social events as well as an educational > programme and the annual examinations for Associateship and Fellowship of the > national organisation - the Chartered Insurance Institute. > Any student automatically becomes a member of the Institute which commutes > to life membership after retirement from full time employment. > After I qualified, I held the post of Education Secretary for a few years > but the Portsmouth Institute merged with Southampton several years ago. > Somewhere I have a book with the names of the past presidents since the > early 1900's and will dig it out and check the names for you. > Take care > Tony Knight >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M Benson" <Genes@cedarbank81.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:21 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Hants Volunteer Battalion > I've been told that the tombstone on a family grave for one section of my > tree says that one man served in the 1st Hampshire Volunteer Battalion. > > Google doesn't recognise this. Does anyone know anything about it or can > tell me where to look? > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > Hello Jenny, The best book on the subject is "The Territorial Battalions - A pictorial history, 1859-1985" by Ray Westlake, Book Club Associates, 1986. It's all in there!! Regards Ken Grubb, Cheltenham, Glos.

Derek From the 1820s onwards the fortifications in the Channel Islands were almost constantly being up-dated and modernised, right through to the 1880-90s, by which time they were still out of date ; most of this work was carried out by incomers from England, especially from the Wessex counties of England, like Dorset and Hampshire, hence the influx of Taylors. In addition to tradesmen, support workers such as cooks and barbers etc also supported this influx. Most of these families only spent three or four years in the C.I. and then returned home, but as is often the case when many young men find new pastures they often meet a local lass, and the inevitable happens. If you can find no trace of a death or burial for him, could it be that the time came for Stephen to return to England and that Claudia didn't want to leave the Island - for whatever reason - or that Stephen returned to the mainland with the promise to find work and bring his wife over to England, but ........he disappears ? Unfortunately you would appear to be looking for someone with quite a common name so its a little difficult to make any suggestions, except to see if you can find him in the 1851 Census. We have some distant 18th century Taylor connexions in Bridport, Dorset, which had its fair share of this name, but so do many other southern towns. Another passing thought : the Channel Isles was a maritime nation, with ships and masters that travelled the World, could it be that when Stephen's contract came to an end he joined in with the local economy, but was lost at sea, or jumped ship.....one could go on ;-) Regards Paul On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:12:51 +0100 (GMT Standard Time), "olfogey46" <olfogey46@cwgsy.net> wrote: > >hello everybody . can someone help please. in Guernsey i have a > > Stephen john Taylor 1884-1960 (married >claudia tardif) son of > >Stephen john taylor 1880-1939 (married Alice de bertrand) son of > > Stephen john Taylor 1838-1894 (married Mary >langlois) son of > Stephen >Taylor 1817--????.married Marie renouf , > > .then nothing --in early 1838 they meet ? >middle 1838 they marry and Nov 1838 a son is born . ok so far but but 1841 >census Marie and baby Stephen are back with her parents and dad is never to >be seen again . on the marriage certificate it gives his father as >William Taylor (a carpenter by trade as is Stephen the son ).all efforts >and advice from the local priaulx library and greffe office which is >extensive if not complete have failed to find any trace of either of them. >on the birth certifcate it gives the godparents as marie's brother and wife >that checks out o-k > > before >1800 the Taylor name was almost unheard of in the c.i. . around 1820-1830 >there was a massive influx to jersey and guernsey of Taylor families and as >they settled in the islands added more children to their 2-4 offspring . > >this is my brick wall and i wondered if anyone researching taylors might >have some that came to channel islands thankyou derek > > > >--- >avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. >Virus Database (VPS): 0534-4, 26/08/2005 >Tested on: 26/08/2005 21:21:16 >avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. >http://www.avast.com > > > > >==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >Are they called brickwalls because there is always MORTAR find? > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

hello everybody . can someone help please. in Guernsey i have a Stephen john Taylor 1884-1960 (married claudia tardif) son of Stephen john taylor 1880-1939 (married Alice de bertrand) son of Stephen john Taylor 1838-1894 (married Mary langlois) son of Stephen Taylor 1817--????.married Marie renouf , .then nothing --in early 1838 they meet ? middle 1838 they marry and Nov 1838 a son is born . ok so far but but 1841 census Marie and baby Stephen are back with her parents and dad is never to be seen again . on the marriage certificate it gives his father as William Taylor (a carpenter by trade as is Stephen the son ).all efforts and advice from the local priaulx library and greffe office which is extensive if not complete have failed to find any trace of either of them. on the birth certifcate it gives the godparents as marie's brother and wife that checks out o-k before 1800 the Taylor name was almost unheard of in the c.i. . around 1820-1830 there was a massive influx to jersey and guernsey of Taylor families and as they settled in the islands added more children to their 2-4 offspring . this is my brick wall and i wondered if anyone researching taylors might have some that came to channel islands thankyou derek --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0534-4, 26/08/2005 Tested on: 26/08/2005 21:21:16 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

hello everybody . can someone help please. in Guernsey i have a Stephen john Taylor 1884-1960 (married claudia tardif) son of Stephen john taylor 1880-1939 (married Alice de bertrand) son of Stephen john Taylor 1838-1894 (married Mary langlois) son of Stephen Taylor 1817--????.married Marie renouf , .then nothing --in early 1838 they meet ? middle 1838 they marry and Nov 1838 a son is born . ok so far but but 1841 census Marie and baby Stephen are back with her parents and dad is never to be seen again . on the marriage certificate it gives his father as William Taylor (a carpenter by trade as is Stephen the son ).all efforts and advice from the local priaulx library and greffe office which is extensive if not complete have failed to find any trace of either of them. on the birth certifcate it gives the godparents as marie's brother and wife that checks out o-k before 1800 the Taylor name was almost unheard of in the c.i. . around 1820-1830 there was a massive influx to jersey and guernsey of Taylor families and as they settled in the islands added more children to their 2-4 offspring . this is my brick wall and i wondered if anyone researching taylors might have some that came to channel islands thankyou derek --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0534-4, 26/08/2005 Tested on: 26/08/2005 21:21:41 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

hello everybody . can someone help please. in Guernsey i have a Stephen john Taylor 1884-1960 (married claudia tardif) son of Stephen john taylor 1880-1939 (married Alice de bertrand) son of Stephen john Taylor 1838-1894 (married Mary langlois) son of Stephen Taylor 1817--????.married Marie renouf , .then nothing --in early 1838 they meet ? middle 1838 they marry and Nov 1838 a son is born . ok so far but but 1841 census Marie and baby Stephen are back with her parents and dad is never to be seen again . on the marriage certificate it gives his father as William Taylor (a carpenter by trade as is Stephen the son ).all efforts and advice from the local priaulx library and greffe office which is extensive if not complete have failed to find any trace of either of them. on the birth certifcate it gives the godparents as marie's brother and wife that checks out o-k before 1800 the Taylor name was almost unheard of in the c.i. . around 1820-1830 there was a massive influx to jersey and guernsey of Taylor families and as they settled in the islands added more children to their 2-4 offspring . this is my brick wall and i wondered if anyone researching taylors might have some that came to channel islands thankyou derek --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0534-4, 26/08/2005 Tested on: 26/08/2005 21:21:36 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

Hi everyone, I was somewhat puzzled today when I discovered that my wife's great grandparents appeared to have lived in the Alverstoke Workhouse for a while. The family at that time consisted of father aged 29, mother 25, and 3 children ranging from 4 to a few months. The father was a seaman with the Royal Navy. Within the space of a year After they left the Workhouse, they lived at 3 addresses in Gosport, Saint Anne's Terrace, Anns Hill Lane, and russell Street. Does anyone have any idea as to why they may have found themselves in the workhouse for a period of time? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 8/25/05

In message <20050826101731.79376.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com>, Colin Simmons <colinsimmons2001@yahoo.com> writes >Hi Jenny > >This might help you with more information > >http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/037Hamps.htm > >There is a link on that page to the 1st volunteer btn > >http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/volmil-england/vinf-so/ha-1.htm > Yippee! Will look into that. TVM. -- Jenny M Benson

I've been told that the tombstone on a family grave for one section of my tree says that one man served in the 1st Hampshire Volunteer Battalion. Google doesn't recognise this. Does anyone know anything about it or can tell me where to look? -- Jenny M Benson

In message <12a.64366c56.303fa0da@aol.com>, Knightroots@aol.com writes >have both cecked out the baptism entrie and decide on Raforsa and not >Rafarsa as dash across the top of letter to join and not at the bottom >of letter, >hope this helps a little but definitely this. Many thanks. I'll keep digging! -- Jenny M Benson

The Battalion was renamed a number of times. 1885 1st Volunteer Bn Hampshire Regt formed 1908 Renamed 4th Bn The Hampshire Regt 1915 renamed 1 / 4 Bn The Hampshire Regt 1947 Renamed 4th Bn Royal Hampshire Regt One of mine served in that Bn and was killed and buried in Iraq in 1917 David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M Benson" <Genes@cedarbank81.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:21 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Hants Volunteer Battalion > I've been told that the tombstone on a family grave for one section of > my tree says that one man served in the 1st Hampshire Volunteer > Battalion. > > Google doesn't recognise this. Does anyone know anything about it or > can tell me where to look? > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Jenny This might help you with more information http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/037Hamps.htm There is a link on that page to the 1st volunteer btn http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/volmil-england/vinf-so/ha-1.htm Regards Colin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

In message <13d.1a1bd59e.303f7eb0@aol.com>, Knightroots@aol.com writes >baptised March 20th 1789 James son of James and Rafarsa PAUL (2months >old) > >baptised February 12th 1790 Mary daughter of James and Rafarsa PAUL > >Hope they help,Linda and Tony Mmmm, interesting! The IGI has the mother as Raforia but Rafarsa sounds a little bit like Tryphosa and my late Uncle compiled a family tree which included Tryphosa (Allbury) as the wife of James but I don't know what his source was and I have been unable to get any further information on her. My James did have a Mary in about 1790 and also had a James, so these two are good candidates. Very many thanks. -- Jenny M Benson

Its interesting replying to your own message, but I thought it was worth updating the info for anyone who is thinking about ordering docs from National Archives. I received the estimate from NA in about 48 hrs - cost of copying £1.20, cost of postage £1.37 (!!!) therefore "profit" to National Archives £7.43 as they don't reimburse the difference if the cost if under £10. For me, hopefully, the information will be really useful in knocking down a brickwall, but, I think in future I'll try and collect enough records to go over the £10.00, as you can always delete records from the estimate, but can't add to. Hope that helps someone. Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Newton" <newton.r@tesco.net> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] National Archives - estimates for document copying > After all the recent advice to Bob re accessing records at National Archives, I found 2 records in ADM relating to my HINES mob. > DownIoading documents from Documents Online is a doddle - you pay your £3.50 and get results within minutes, The records I wanted were not available online & I had to complete a "request for document copying". > I must admit I found the request for an estimate a bit scary. I did stress on the form that I only wanted items relating to "Thomas Henry HINES, Rating, born 21 February 1840, Elson Hants in ADM29/55/87" & the same for the other one (his father).Not the entire file which I gather could be hundreds of pages! > I will now, after paying my ten quid, get an estimate within 10 working days of the cost of these documents. I gather if I go ahead with this estimate, my £10 will be credited against the cost of the documents. If I don't I lose my ten quid. > I'm writing this mainly to continue the information previously supplied on this list, plus to ask what the likely cost of asking for 2 specific AD records is likely to be, and if anyone more experienced has any more advice for requesting records from National Archives. > Rita > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > Family historian love graveyards they are the sort of places they like to visit to meet up with old relatives > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >