Hi Di. I'm hoping to go to Portsmouth Record Office tomorrow, so if I get there, I'll look it up for you Di & Al Comley <[email protected]> wrote: Is there SKP who would be able to look up the baptism record of William Crossland? This occurred at St Thomas, Portsmouth on 21st September 1802. I would like to know if there is some information about his father's occupation or anything else. Crossing my fingers, thanks, Di ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have the 1841 census records for William DOWSE and his family who came to Jersey and St Martin to assist in the building of the breakwater. Research of his Naval records indicates that he was assigned to the Cutter, HMS Seaflower from Jan 1839 - July 1845 and during this period he lived ashore at St Martin. Two of his children were born there Henry in 1840 and Albert Edward in 1844. He had returned to Portsmouth by June 1846 where he was a Carpenter serving on HMS Victory; a daughter Emma arrived the following year. G 2 Feb 1849 is the last date shown on his Naval Record and this could either refer to his death or the date on which his Naval Pension was granted. I cannot find the registration of his death. In the 1851 Census his wife Sarah is described as a widow age 48yrs so he must have died in the period Feb 1849 to April 1851 but where? If sks could look up the register for the St Martins births referred to could the dates be confirmed and if possible the Age of the Father William DOWSE? I assume he would have been about the same age as his wife Sarah since they were both of full age when they married in 1829 and as a Carpenters Mate RN would have served a full apprenticeship in Portsmouth Dockyard before joining in 1823. Any help whatsoever would be most appreciated. Thanks Mike

Hi Jan, May I be so bold as to ask if, while you have the film out, you could look back to 1794ish and check the baptism of Elizabeth GUTTON (or GATTON)? Or any other GATTONs from that time? Many thanks, Liz in Munich In einer eMail vom 04.12.2006 16:33:36 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt [email protected]: Hi Di. I'm hoping to go to Portsmouth Record Office tomorrow, so if I get there, I'll look it up for you Di & Al Comley <[email protected]> wrote: Is there SKP who would be able to look up the baptism record of William Crossland? This occurred at St Thomas, Portsmouth on 21st September 1802. I would like to know if there is some information about his father's occupation or anything else. Crossing my fingers, thanks, Di

Hello all most of us have at least one elusive ancestor! As the time for Santa is approaching let's put our 3 wishes on the list of things you would like for yourself or for others in the genealogical world. Here are ours for starters. 1.(for Edna) William James HELLYER's death approx 1893 in Portsea 2. Any possible connections to ancestors of James ATKINS & Sarah WALTON who married 1826 St Mary's Portsea. Unable to locate beyond marriage. 3. EXTEN/EXTON connections Portsea &/or Bishops Waltham. Henry EXTON born 1766/7 married Elizabeth. One of the children James lived in Portsea with his family. Now time for all of us to break down another persons wall or solve someone else's family history problem, where possible. Look forward to seeing you all soon,take care Linda & Tony

Oops! apologies the basic details re a baptism at St Thomas' Portsmouth would be at www.familysearch.org and by clicking on advanced search & putting in the detials including county etc should come up trumps with the basic details. Hope this helps,Linda & Tony

Hello Di pre 1837 marriages won't give the father's name. In addition to the bride & groom's name the other details would be date, where from ie of this parish or other, by banns or licence conditions ie bachelor/spinster or widowed, witnesses. Hope this helps,Linda & Tony Is there SKP who would be able to look up the baptism record of William Crossland? This occurred at St Thomas, Portsmouth on 21st September 1802. I would like to know if there is some information about his father's occupation or anything else. Crossing my fingers, thanks, Di

Hello list, After a 4 year absence from this list, I’m retired and back on the trail of my ancestors and their siblings. My great grandmother’s sister Ann Elizabeth HODGES (b. 1859, Portsea) married Robert CLUETT (b. 1856, Portsea) in 1877 in Portsea. Their children are Robert CLUETT, b. 1877, Portsea Island Annie Rhoda CLUETT, b. 1878, Portsea Island Alfred William Ayers CLUETT, b. 1882 (Went to the college of engineering in Devonport, then married, in 1908, Annie Phyllis AYERS, b. 1885, Cambridge. Annie P. is the first cousin of Alfred’s mother, Ann E. Hodges) Ethel May CLUETT, b. 1887, Portsea Island Harriett Kate CLUETT, b. 1899, Portsea Island Harold Frank CLUETT, b. 1891, Portsea Island The last location I have for this CLUETT family is the 1901 census, living at 44 St. John’s Rd., Fratton, Portsmouth. I know there are other CLUETTs in the Portsmouth area. I haven’t been able to determine clearly who Robert CLUETT’s parents are, so I don’t know if / how he relates to other CLUETT families. Would love to hear from anyone researching CLUETT who might have a connection to these folks. Pam Perryman Eugene, Oregon, USA also looking for connections to HODGES, FISHER, AYERS, PINKARD, PERRYMAN in the Portsea area.

Hello list, Would love to hear from anyone with a connection to my AYRES family, which might include AYERS in Australia. Farthest back I’ve traced are William AYERS (b.c1785) and Elizabeth (maybe BREAKS/BRAKES??), married before 1841 Children of William and Elizabeth AYERS are William AYERS, b. 1813, d. 1870, Portsea (see below* for children) John Breaks AYERS, b. 1815, Portsea, d. after 1901 marr. Ann, b. 1822, Freston, Suffolk, d. 1868 no children Elizabeth AYERS, b. 1818, Portsea marries Charles ELLIS in 1842, children Elizabeth (b.1844), Charles (b. 1848) ELLIS family lived in Greenwich, Charels is “convict keeper” ? Henry AYERS, b.1821, Portsea ? Frances AYERS, b.1823, Portsea *William & Elizabeth’s son William AYERS (b. 1813) married Elizabeth Baker Quantick PINKARD (c1814-1867) on 16 July 1835, Gosport, Holy Trinity [Elizbaeth PINKARD’s parents are Simeon PINKARD (c1786-1855) and Betty (maybe BAKER or QUANTICK??) (c1791-1851). Elizabeth had a brother Alfred (1817-1870) who doesn’t seem to have married.] Children of William AYERS and Elizabeth PINKARD are Mary Ann AYERS, b. 1836, Portsea marr. Alfred William HODGES, 1857 my grt-grt grandparents William Henry AYERS, b. 1838, Portsea John AYERS, b. 1839/40, Portsea marr. Louisa A. HAWKINS 1862, 9 children, moved to Cambridge Alfred AYERS, b. 1843, Portsea, d. 1858? Elizabeth Fanny AYERS, b. 1846, Portsea Louisa Jane AYERS, b. 1849, Portsea Robert Breaks AYERS, b. 1851, Portsea Ellen Edith AYERS, b. 1853, Portsea marr. John Richard BISHOPP in 1881, 8 children, moved to Tunbridge Wells, Kent Harry AYERS, b. 1855, Portsea Frank AYERS, b. 1857, Portsea marr. Ellen L. SADLER in 1889 My grandfather remembered Harry AYERS as having “gone to Australia and gotten knighted for something .“ The “gone to Australia” part could be true, as Harry is not in the British census records for 1891 and his brother Frank is gone in 1901. I haven’t started trying to trace that branch yet. I’d love to hear from anyone who might have links to any of these folks. Pam Perryman Eugene, Oregon, USA also looking for connections to CLUETT, HODGES, PERRYMAN in the Portsea area.

Hello list, Would love to hear from anyone with a connection to my HODGES family. Farthest back I’ve traced are William HODGES (b. c1806, d. before 1881?) and Sarah FISHER (c1811-1891), married 2 Dec. 1835, Portsmouth. Children of William HODGES and Sarah FISHER are Thirza HODGES, b. 1831, Portsea Alfred William HODGES, b. 1835, Portsea marries Mary Ann AYERS (24 Dec. 1857, Portsea, St. Mary’s Children of Alfred W. HODGES and Mary A. AYERS are Ann Elizabeth HODGES, b. 1859, Portsea marr. Robert CLUETT in 1877 Alice Edith HODGES, b. 1861, Portsea married Joseph PERRYMAN, 1886 - my great grandparents Mary A. HODGES, b. 1863, Portsea Margaret Fannie HODGES, b. 1866, Portsea Alfred Arthur HODGES, b. 1868, Portsea marr. Louisa Minnie Townsend, 1897, Portsea; son Alfred F.HODGES b. 1899 Elizabeth Mary HODGES, b. 1869, Portsea Ellen Louisa HODGES, b. b.1871, died 1871 Louisa Kate HODGES, b. 1872, Portsea Ethel Josephine HODGES, b. 1874, Portsea Would love to hear from anyone researching HODGES or FISHER who might have a connection to these folks. Pam Perryman Eugene, Oregon, USA also looking for connections to CLUETT, AYERS, PINKARD, PERRYMAN in the Portsea area.

Thanks to an extremely kind PG list member, it now seems %99.9 sure that Rupet Place and Red Lion Yard are one and the same, just renamed. In the 1851 census there were the same number of households between East Street and the Red Lion Hotel as there were in 1861, the only difference being the name, Rupet Place in 1851 and Red Lion Yard in 1861. Even some of the households appear to have had the same occupants. If this is the case, and it surely looks like it, then it would appear that the name change took place between the 1851 census and the time my wife's 3 x grt grandmother, Sarah Childs, died in 1853. Thanks to everyone who took the time and interest in this subject, it's very much appreciated. If I wasn't 150 miles away, I think I'd pop in to the Red Lion Hotel and have a pint of ale! Apparently the Red Lion Hotel used to be a Coaching Inn, is now a listed building, and still looks rather impressive. Regards to all, Jon

A good site taken from another listing: http://www.luc.edu/depts/history/bucholz/DCO/ The Database of Court Officers 1660-1837 Edna - Ottawa

May I please thank each and every person who contacted me re the Rupet / Russel address query in Fareham, and the Bedford Street problem in Gosport. Seems like my wife's family knew just where to move to cause the most problems lol. Thanks once again to everyone who replied, hopefully both queries will get sorted at some stage? Well, here's hoping anyway. Have a great day everyone, regards to all, Jon

People in agricultural areas joined up when farming went through a downturn, particularly after the Napoleonic wars. Also some else from the village may have been in the Navy & encouraged him. I think he met his future wife through the Navy, as she was the sister of a shipmate. In addition I understand that every county had to send a certain number of men to the Navy & the men got a golden handshake to join up - a sovereign possibly, which of course went to their families. Thanks for the census info - I have most of the census info for the families but my real brickwall is George Courtney. I have him documented after 1891 but nothing before then for him or his parents. On his marriage cert, his father is supposed to be George too, & he was born in Portsea, but despite intensive searches on line and at the Portsmouth record office at the Museum I have drawn a blank when I try to prove it. I thought at one time he might have been born in Wareham. A lot of Courtneys born there moved to Soton & Alverstoke but descendents of the Wareham Courtneys disagreed with that, so am at a standstill. I have tried to find the records of the railway company at Kew but was not successful. I know he was on the ferries as it is on a birth cert for one of his children. Penny Basingstoke UK ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Subscribe: researching COURTNEY; LAVENDER;STONEHAM; ... > Can't help you Penny but I wonder what is was that made a lad born in > Ropley > leave that small village (even today) to join the Royal Navy? > > Mike > Waterlooville > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Hi Jon, I don't know if this helps, but just to let you know that the Market House is a pub, it is the last building on the south side of Forton road, at the junction with Ann's Hill Road. It is number 347 Forton Road now, although there wasn't a publican listed there in 1881. Bedford Street is the last turning off Forton Road, to the south, before Ann's Hill Road, and there are a few other buildings between Ann's Hill and Bedford Street, apart from the pub, but I don't know whether they were there in 1881. That end of Forton Road does seem to be a bit of a jumble in 1881. There are terraces, e.g St Ann's Terrace, which are now incorporated into Forton Road, and some addresses, e.g. Spring Street and Commercial Place that do not exist now in those names. I have part of an old map in a book of old and new photos of Gosport, which shows there were some tiny houses called Morant Cottages which were accessed down an alley to the side of 236 Forton Road. I must have a look on my way to work tomorrow! Regards from Margaret.

British Library - search Newspapers: http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/newspapers.html Edna - Ottawa

The Orange Wasps wrote >I had a look at the original images, and there is definitely something >strange occurring. The description of the enumeration district only >mentioned Bedford Street once - "as far as the Market House" (possibly >a pub). The references for the respective enumerations are RG11/1164 >fol.101 p 24 (Hardy) and RG11/1164 fol.103 p.27 so they actually appear >several pages apart. Several of the house numbers are repeated, and the >enumerator is the same person as the handwriting matches. It could be >that he copied them into his enumeration book incorrectly and had to >add others later. Or possibly that he wrote in the new street name. If the description of the enumeration district includes all the streets you could cross-check with the sheets, but the chances are it says something like "to the west of High Street as far as ..." or something equally unhelpful! -- Jenny M Benson

Hi Jon I had a look at the original images, and there is definitely something strange occurring. The description of the enumeration district only mentioned Bedford Street once - "as far as the Market House" (possibly a pub). The references for the respective enumerations are RG11/1164 fol.101 p 24 (Hardy) and RG11/1164 fol.103 p.27 so they actually appear several pages apart. Several of the house numbers are repeated, and the enumerator is the same person as the handwriting matches. It could be that he copied them into his enumeration book incorrectly and had to add others later. Regards Ruth -------Original Message------- From: Jon Nixey Date: 28/11/2006 03:05:37 To: Rootsweb Portsmouth Gosport Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] How many Bedford Streets were there in Gosportin 1881?

Just seen an item on the local news re the health and safety audit and complaints over the toppling of headstones earlier in the year. Apparently, Gosport Council are to announce the decision tomorrow as to whether families affected are to receive compensation on the basis that insufficient notice was given. Will keep you posted! Take care Linda & Tony

Hi everyone, I'm a little puzzled over this one. I have two families in the 1881 census, one living at 4 Bedford St, and one living at 4 Bedford Str., but they are not next to each other when you use the "view neighbours" feature. they appear quite a number of households away. Could there have been an uper and lower Bedford Street, both starting at 1 etc, which makes it look this way? There is a relationship of sorts between the two families, Sarah Habens was the half sister of Henry Albray who married Charlotte Harvey, and Amelia Hardy is Charlotte's half sister. See what I mean? lol. Here are the only references I can find transcribed, so if someone has the time and inclination to see what is what with this, I would really appreciate it very much. 1881 Census Civil parish: Alverstoke County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: 4 Bedford St Registration district: Alverstoke Sub-registration district: Alverstoke ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household Members: Name Age Amelia Hardy 13 Charles Hardy 80 Civil parish: Alverstoke County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: 4 Bedford Str Registration district: Alverstoke Sub-registration district: Alverstoke ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household Members: Name Age Albert H. Adams 13 Emily Adams 8 James Adams 5 Richard Adams 17 George Habens 15 Henry Habens 13 Herbert Habens 7 Joseph Habens 48 Joseph Habens 17 Sarah Ann Habens 45 William Habens 11 Kindest regards to all, Jon

Hi, I know a William HARDY born circa 1809 Hampshire and died 1894 in Utah. Edna - Ottawa