Thanks Jenny and Cynthia -- that's the right Bartlett family on Arundel St., Portsmouth, in 1901. I'd be most grateful for the image. For some reason they weren't coming up on the National Archives list. The Portsmouth listing matches the 1891 entry, same kids, same occupation. The Hodges family was into the food business in one form or another. I think Maggie probably married one of her father's bakers. He was a confectioner with a fairly large establishment at Hyde Park Corner, Portsea, before he retired. Thanks again! Pam Perryman Eugene, Oregon pam(at)bobwhitman(dot)com

My wish to Santa would be to located more on my Hampshire BENNETT and KEMP families. The families moved to Surrey before April 1840. After locating these families in Surrey and then in London on census and certs its time to find out more about them in Hampshire. g g great Grandfather John BENNETT b abt 1819 Hants, Portsmouth, Hampshire - French Polisher, married 1840 in Surrey to Hannah KEMP Father: John BENNETT b Bet. 1796 - 1806 - Bookbinder Mother: possibly Mary UNKNOWN b Bet. 1796 - 1806 Possibly other children of John and Mary James b abt 1824 Eleanor b abt 1829 Henry b abt 1828 French Polisher g g great Grandmother Hannah KEMP b abt 1822 Portsea, Hampshire Father: John KEMP died before 1840 Mother: Lucy FAULKNER b abt 1782 d abt 1843 Other children of John and Lucy James b abt 1806 - 1811 Edward b abt 1815 Landport, Hants, Shoe/bootmaker, married Maria UNKNOWN, son George KEMP b abt 1834 Portsmouth Best wishes to all Lyn Beggs Zephyr, ON

Hi Santa & Hampshire Elves I would love to find out more about a Sarah SHAW, she has twice appeared with my HINES family. First was when she registered the death of Richard Hines in 1848 " Sarah Shaw present at the death Wingfield Street Portsea". Richard was married and had 3 sons - so assumed this was a neighbour or friend who knew the ropes about registering deaths - saving his widow the "stress" of registering Richard's death. Amelia, Richard's widow, remarried in October 1850 to a Thomas ANCELL. Amelia's maiden name was LITTLEFIELD and she was born about 1812 in Portsea. Sarah SHAW then turns up living/staying with the married sister of Richard - Jane FRANKLIN (born 1819, Elson) in Hackney in the 1861 Census. Sarah Shaw is listed as "cousin" age 80, Widow, no occupation, born Elson. As Jane was born in 1819 and Sarah Shaw about 1780 - the "cousin" is a bit questionable. I am wondering whether Sarah is her aunt born in Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire in 1776. Now - if any Hampshire Elves or Santa can give me any connections with the families mentioned it would be a fantastic Christmas pressy Thanks for reading this Santa. Rita Yes - I still belive in you.

Hi, Unwanted Certificates: http://bmd-cert-exch-site.ourwardfamily.com/ Edna - Ottawa

Jon Nixey wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Recently with the help of a very good friend and Portsmouth Records Office, I now have the details of the burial in 1908 of Rhoda Scott (ne albray) at the Kingston cemetery, Portsmouth. However, in the same grave in 1945, Lilian Frances Dauvin was buried, she was of 65 Simpson Road and aged 37. Dauvin is not a name I have come across before, and initial searches seem to indicate a link with the Channel Islands. Usually, when someone was buried in the same grave it meant that there was a connection between those people, but this one has got me totally confused. I thought maybe Lilian was the daughter of Rhoda Scott, but I've not been able to find the her birth index as yet. Going by the age at death, Lilian would appear to have been born 1908, the same year Rhoda died. Are there any listers out there who are connected to the Dauvin family that have info on who Lilian Frances is please? > > Very many thanks in advance, Jon > Jon, it may be worth checking with the cemetery people whether the grave was in fact re-used. It is possible that there is no connection with the Dauvin family. I have several instances of this in the Portsmouth cemeteries. Cheers, Ian

Hi Jon Don't get too hung up on the idea that people who shared a grave were related. It doesn't always apply. I have people in my family history who were buried along with up to 8 other individuals, none of whom were related. It depends on whether or not the grave was purchased and, if so, how long ago. Even if you bought a grave in perpetuity, you only really had it for about 90 years before it was "recycled". Good luck Ruth in Hampshire -------Original Message------- From: Jon Nixey Date: 09/12/2006 15:39:04 To: Rootsweb Portsmouth Gosport Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Any connections out there to DAUVIN?

Hi people just in case your not up to your eyes in Christmas can anyone help with finding a marriage or death of Thomas Alfred James GALLIENNE c 9 Jul 1871 Alverstoke. I have no further info on him other than he was the son of Thomas Henry Gallienne and Ellen RILEY. He served in the RN from 1889 to 1892 and that is all I have. Thank you Bob

Hi everyone I have a stray marriage certificate attached to one of mine of Charles KING and Sarah SHEPHERD 15 1860 in Alverstoke. Anyone want it let me know. Regards Bob

JAN HIBBERD wrote >I don't really want all that much for Christmas. Posh cars, expensive >gifts, no, all I would wish for is a lead to my Robinson family. My genealogical Christmas Wish would be to discover more about my "early Pauls." At the top of my tree at the moment is John Paul from New Alresford, who was a Sawyer and died in 1767. His wife was named Elizabeth. For the next generation I have John Paul of New Alresford, born in 1707 and died in 1770. His wife was Susannah who died in 1765. I'd love to know more about their wives and whether they had any siblings and it would be great to get back another generation or two. My other wish is to discover anything about the mysterious Tryphosa Allbury. She apparently married James Paul (son of John Paul jnr above) in 1771. She is variously recorded as Rafosa or Raforia. As far as I know, she was the mother of his children, but James married a second time, to a widow named Ann Thatcher. -- Jenny M Benson

Pam Perryman wrote > I’ve just found a marriage for a sister of my great >grandfather. She >is Margaret Fannie A[yers?] HODGES (b. 1866, 1st Q, Portsea) who >married Alfred BARTLETT in 1890, 3rd Q, in Portsea. > I found an Alfred BARTLETT (b.c1862, Portsmouth), Draper’s >Shopkeeper in the 1901 census on the Natl. Archives website, but >can’t find any 1901 entry that looks like his wife. I can check that >further next week in the full (and free) 1901 census online at my local >Family History Center. Try RG13/998/74/1. There's a family comprising Alfred and Maggie Bartlett and their sons Ronald and Ernest. It looks like your family. -- Jenny M Benson

wrote >Dear Elves, can you tell me what I would expect to find on a >certificate in 1861 if I bought it. .Would it give the name of the >person registering it. What sort of Certificate - Birth, Marriage or Death? I'm guessing you mean Birth or Death. In those cases you should get the Signature, description and residence of informant. With a Birth, this is usually one of the parents. With a death it may be a relative or some official . -- Jenny M Benson

Could this be your Alfred and Maggie/Fannie? I can send you the images if you think it is him. Cynthia Warn New York 1901 Census - Portsmouth Hampshire Alfred Bartlett 1868 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Head Baker Shopkeeper Maggie Bartlett 1868 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Wife Ronald Bartlett 1892 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Son Ernest Bartlett 1898 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Son Dwelling: 81 Arundel Street Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 998; Folio: 74; Page: 1. Or 1901 Census - Fulham London Alfred Bartlett 1861 Southsea, Hampshire, England Head Grocer Fanny Bartlett 1861 Marylebone, London, England Wife Henry J Shepherd 1879 Manning's Heath, Sussex, England Assistant Archibald Soard 1887 Rockhampton, Surrey, England Apprentice Grocer's Assistant Lucy Maryon 1880 Notting Hill, Middlesex, England Servant Dwelling: 843 Fulham Road Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 66; Folio: 52; Page: 49. I found an Alfred BARTLETT (b.c1862, Portsmouth), Draper's Shopkeeper in the 1901 census on the Natl. Archives website, but can't find any 1901 entry that looks like his wife. Pam Perryman Eugene, Oregon

Hi everyone, Recently with the help of a very good friend and Portsmouth Records Office, I now have the details of the burial in 1908 of Rhoda Scott (ne albray) at the Kingston cemetery, Portsmouth. However, in the same grave in 1945, Lilian Frances Dauvin was buried, she was of 65 Simpson Road and aged 37. Dauvin is not a name I have come across before, and initial searches seem to indicate a link with the Channel Islands. Usually, when someone was buried in the same grave it meant that there was a connection between those people, but this one has got me totally confused. I thought maybe Lilian was the daughter of Rhoda Scott, but I've not been able to find the her birth index as yet. Going by the age at death, Lilian would appear to have been born 1908, the same year Rhoda died. Are there any listers out there who are connected to the Dauvin family that have info on who Lilian Frances is please? Very many thanks in advance, Jon

Hello Pam Could this be your Alfred and Maggie? I can send you the image if you think it is him. Cynthia Warn New York 1901 Census - Portsmouth Hampshire Alfred Bartlett 1868 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Head Baker Shopkeeper Maggie Bartlett 1868 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Wife Ronald Bartlett 1892 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Son Ernest Bartlett 1898 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Son Dwelling: 81 Arundel Street Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 998; Folio: 74; Page: 1. I found an Alfred BARTLETT (b.c1862, Portsmouth), Draper's Shopkeeper in the 1901 census on the Natl. Archives website, but can't find any 1901 entry that looks like his wife. Pam Perryman Eugene, Oregon

Good Evening Bob, http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/topics/bmd_2.htm Try this Govt. site, gives you full details. Regards from your Ever Helpful Hampshire Elves

Dear Elves, can you tell me what I would expect to find on a certificate in 1861 if I bought it. .Would it give the name of the person registering it. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Santa's list HOLLIS > Hello Bob, > > Could this be your Thomas Hollis ? > Deaths, Jun Qtr. 1861 Portsea Vol 2b Page 232 > Before 1865 no age at death is shown, so to be certain you would have to > buy > the Cert. unless maybe someone can find more details of a burial? > > I will send image of the entry direct. > > Regards from your ever helpful Hampshire Elves. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Now that was speedy, it took a couple of minutes! Edna ---- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <[email protected]> To: "Hampshire-L" <[email protected]> Cc: "Ports-Gosport" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: [HAM] Slow E-mails ~~~ Hi, I heard via the grapevine that it's a problem at Rootsweb with List 9 the server on which some lists are located. They are working on it. Edna ~ sunny Ottawa -sent Noon (EST Canada) 8/12/06 For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I heard via the grapevine that it's a problem at Rootsweb with List 9 the server on which some lists are located. They are working on it. Edna ~ sunny Ottawa -sent Noon (EST Canada) 8/12/06

Hello List, I’ve just found a marriage for a sister of my great grandfather. She is Margaret Fannie A[yers?] HODGES (b. 1866, 1st Q, Portsea) who married Alfred BARTLETT in 1890, 3rd Q, in Portsea. I found an Alfred BARTLETT (b.c1862, Portsmouth), Draper’s Shopkeeper in the 1901 census on the Natl. Archives website, but can’t find any 1901 entry that looks like his wife. I can check that further next week in the full (and free) 1901 census online at my local Family History Center. However, I noticed in the archives that there have been folks researching BARTLETT on this list. Does this marriage connect to anyone’s research? Love to hear from you if it does! Pam Perryman Eugene, Oregon

Hi Barbara Check out the burials at St Marys Portsea free online on the Hampshire OPC site at www.knightroots.co.uk Take care Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:eng-ham-portsmouth-g[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara Callcott Sent: 07 December 2006 10:18 To: [email protected] Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Henry READ, shipwright of Portsea and GRIGG,pastrycook and confectioners of Gosport I am new to this list. I am looking for information about Henry READ of Portsea, shipwright, my gr gr gr gr grandfather. In a 1794 Marriage Licence Allegation, Henry READ gave his consent for his daughter Elizabeth READ of Portsea (born abt 1775 or 1774), a minor, to marry Joseph GRIGG, baker, of Alverstoke aged 21. Elizabeth READ was my gr gr gr grandmother and Joseph GRIGG was my gr gr gr grandfather. In 1841 census Joseph and Elizabeth GRIGG were operating confectionery shop in High Street Gosport. In 1851 census, Elizabeth was a widow aged 77 still operating pastrycook and confectionery shop at 54 High St, Gosport. The shop continued until after 1870 - does anyone have a photo? I am wondering if this is the same Henry READ, of Portsea, shipwright who made a will dated 1816 listed in Hampshire Record Office? I am hoping someone might have access to a burial record which would give his age? I'd greatly appreciate any information. Thanks Barbara Callcott [email protected] PO Box 122 Mayfield NSW 2304 Australia Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message