Good site - may help you date those photos... http://www.cartes.fsnet.co.uk/ Edna - sunny Ottawa Happy New Year!

Hi, A good trick to find out when a company was around, put the name on one of the Censuses like the '81 for instance. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Pashley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:42 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Photo Info Hi Tony, Linda and Listers, Hope everyone had a Happy Xmas. Could I through out a ? to everyone. I have been sent a copy of a photo that could be one of my relatives, on the bottom of the card was the name of the Photographer it is W.C. or W.L. Harvey 124 High St Gosport. If anyone has a possible time that this photographer operated his business it could help confirm the identity. Thank You Rod Pashley Cairns Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, there's an old photo of Russell Street between the wars in "Portsmouth Yesterday and Today" by Anthony Triggs. Edwin Tanner's shop can't be seen, unfortunately; the photo was taken from just south of the Swan Street junction, looking north towards the Guildhall Square. From the information in the book, plus the directory, Edwin can be placed on the east side of Russell Street, in the northern section that leads up to the junction with Commercial Road/Guildhall Square. A post-WW2 photo of the area shows a lot of bomb damage. The east side of Russell Street seems to have been less heavily hit, but it isn't clear if the building where Edwin's premises were in the past had survived. Cheers, Ian Jim North wrote: > Ian > Fantastic. Yes - I'll order the CD as a New Years present to me! > Thanks for your skill, time and effort. > Happy New Year! > Jim

Ian Fantastic. Yes - I'll order the CD as a New Years present to me! Thanks for your skill, time and effort. Happy New Year! Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian Thirlwell Sent: 29 December 2006 13:05 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Looking for - Portsmouth Umbrella Maker Edwin TANNER of 45 Russell Street, St Luke's, Portsea, Portsmouth. Jim, more on Edwin Tanner: he appears in the Kelly's Hampshire Directories, commercial/trades section, for 1889 and 1895, at 45 Russell Street. In Steven's 1887 Directory for Portsmouth he is also listed, at the same address, as "umbrella and walking stick manufacturer" and elsewhere in the directory as a tobacconist in addition to the other activities. He also has an advert in this directory, so you may find it interesting to obtain this directory on CD. Cheers, Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte.

Jim, more on Edwin Tanner: he appears in the Kelly's Hampshire Directories, commercial/trades section, for 1889 and 1895, at 45 Russell Street. In Steven's 1887 Directory for Portsmouth he is also listed, at the same address, as "umbrella and walking stick manufacturer" and elsewhere in the directory as a tobacconist in addition to the other activities. He also has an advert in this directory, so you may find it interesting to obtain this directory on CD. Cheers, Ian

Jim, Russell Street disappeared in the redevelopment of the area around Guildhall Square and the new City Library. It was a bit to the east of what is now Guildhall Walk (the southern end of Commercial Road beyond Guildhall Square), to the south of the Guildhall & Portsmouth & Southsea railway station. It ran from Guildhall Square to Hyde Park Road, and on the other side of the latter was Middle Street. Hyde Park road seems to have become Winston Churchill Avenue as far as I can see from before and after street maps, but Middle Street is still there, running from the south side of WCA. Cheers, Ian Jim North wrote: > Hi > > I wonder if anyone can assist me? I am looking for No 45 Russell Street, > Portsea, Portsmouth. > > It is referred to in the 1891 Census - RG12/869 page 3. > > > > I am trying to pinpoint the abode of Edwin Tanner aged 38 from Whitchurch - > Umbrella maker - listed as Edward. > > > > I can see the next street of the Census as Hyde Park Road, which seems to > run between Winston Churchill Avenue roundabout and Blackfriars Road. > > > > I am also told that Edwin had an Umbrella shop and wonder if it is listed in > any Portsmouth Kelly's directories at Russell Street or any other location > in Portsmouth. > > > > Edwin was my Great Grand Uncle and I have recently been given a superb > Umbrella made by him. > > > > I would be very pleased to know if anyone else is researching his family? > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > Jim North > > Les Arcs > > France > >

Hi I wonder if anyone can assist me? I am looking for No 45 Russell Street, Portsea, Portsmouth. It is referred to in the 1891 Census - RG12/869 page 3. I am trying to pinpoint the abode of Edwin Tanner aged 38 from Whitchurch - Umbrella maker - listed as Edward. I can see the next street of the Census as Hyde Park Road, which seems to run between Winston Churchill Avenue roundabout and Blackfriars Road. I am also told that Edwin had an Umbrella shop and wonder if it is listed in any Portsmouth Kelly's directories at Russell Street or any other location in Portsmouth. Edwin was my Great Grand Uncle and I have recently been given a superb Umbrella made by him. I would be very pleased to know if anyone else is researching his family? Many thanks in advance. Jim North Les Arcs France

Hi Jan It's an unusual enough name that the chances are quite high I'd say! Where he fits in I don't know though. I don't know enough about the Norsters to know just yet. Thanks for your reply, take good care, Jon

Hi Jon. I used to work with a Len Norster when I worked for British Gas. He was a Service Engineer and still lives in Whitworth Road, Gosport. He worked heavilly with the Scout movement in Gosport and was attached to the 5th Gosport in St.Lukes Road, as I was. Do you think he is one of yours? Jon Nixey <[email protected]> wrote: Hi everyone, I have a couple of new surnames of interest in the Gosport area: NORSTER: Thomas W. B. Steptoe married Ena R. Norster at Gosport in 1917, Ena was the daughter of Robert Norster and Matilda (ne Treacher). There is a possible birth index of a Thomas William B. Steptoe in 1885 in the Fulham RD, but I haven't found him on 1891 or 1901 census yet. PATERSON Edward B. Paterson married Florence K. Albery at Gosport in 1915. Does anyone have links to Norster, Paterson or Steptoe in the Gosport area please? Regards to all, Jon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Edna. Took this from another site. Hope it helps to clarify things for you. Then, again it may make for more confusion ! Seems HMS Victory ll was the Portsmouth Naval barracks during & just after World War 1. Seamus....(tout á fait chevalier) System protected by system mechanics/Kaspersky -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edna Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 2:55 AM To: Ports-Gosport; Hampshire-L Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Victory II Hi, I have many photos of the famous Victory but would someone have a picture of Victory II -- the Royal Naval vessel. Thank you, Edna ~ snowy Ottawa Merry Christmas and a Healthy New Year! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, A friend of mine was visiting St. Thomas, Virgin Islands during December '06 and found this sad memorial/grave in a church. Perhaps you are looking for this lady...... Edna -Ottawa Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! =====================================> No warning given, unceremonious Fate A sudden rush from life's meridian Joys A wrench from all She Lov'd ----------------------------- Sacred to the Memory of ELIZA MUSGRAVE wife of WILLIAM MUSGRAVE Esq. of the Inner Temple, Barrister at Law She departed this life on the morning of the 12th Feb. 1815 aged 24 years (b. c. 1790) Beloved and lamented by all who knew her: Her God she Reverenced Towards her neighbour, she never Wilfully Offended To Her Husband she was everything His fondest wishes could picture or embrace: He idolized her while she lived And his respect for her exalted worth survives beyond the grave. The remembrance of her many virtues Remains Indelibly inscribed In his dejected bosom. ----------- ----------------- Friends our chief Treasure! how they drop! How the World falls to pieces round about us! And leaves us in a ruin of our Joy! What says this Transportation of my friends: It bids me love the place where now they dwell And scorn this wretched spot it leaves so poor. ===============================

Hi, I have many photos of the famous Victory but would someone have a picture of Victory II -- the Royal Naval vessel. Thank you, Edna ~ snowy Ottawa Merry Christmas and a Healthy New Year!

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Christmas Day in the Workhouse George R. Sims (1903) It is Christmas Day in the workhouse, And the cold, bare walls are bright With garlands of green and holly, And the place is a pleasant sight; For with clean-washed hands and faces, In a long and hungry line The paupers sit at the table, For this is the hour they dine. And the guardians and their ladies, Although the wind is east, Have come in their furs and wrappers, To watch their charges feast; To smile and be condescending, Put pudding on pauper plates. To be hosts at the workhouse banquet They've paid for -- with the rates. Oh, the paupers are meek and lowly With their "Thank'ee kindly, mum's!'" So long as they fill their stomachs, What matter it whence it comes! But one of the old men mutters, And pushes his plate aside: "Great God!" he cries, "but it chokes me! For this is the day she died!" The guardians gazed in horror, The master's face went white; "Did a pauper refuse the pudding?" "Could their ears believe aright?" Then the ladies clutched their husbands, Thinking the man would die, Struck by a bolt, or something, By the outraged One on high. But the pauper sat for a moment, Then rose 'mid silence grim, For the others had ceased to chatter And trembled in every limb. He looked at the guardians' ladies, Then, eyeing their lords, he said, "I eat not the food of villains Whose hands are foul and red: "Whose victims cry for vengeance >From their dark, unhallowed graves." "He's drunk!" said the workhouse master, "Or else he's mad and raves." "Not drunk or mad," cried the pauper, "But only a haunted beast, Who, torn by the hounds and mangled, Declines the vulture's feast. "I care not a curse for the guardians, And I won't be dragged away; Just let me have the fit out, It's only on Christmas Day That the black past comes to goad me, And prey on my burning brain; I'll tell you the rest in a whisper -- I swear I won't shout again. "Keep your hands off me, curse you! Hear me right out to the end. You come here to see how paupers The season of Christmas spend;. You come here to watch us feeding, As they watched the captured beast. Here's why a penniless pauper Spits on your paltry feast. "Do you think I will take your bounty, And let you smile and think You're doing a noble action With the parish's meat and drink? Where is my wife, you traitors -- The poor old wife you slew? Yes, by the God above me, My Nance was killed by you! 'Last winter my wife lay dying, Starved in a filthy den; I had never been to the parish -- I came to the parish then. I swallowed my pride in coming, For ere the ruin came, I held up my head as a trader, And I bore a spotless name. "I came to the parish, craving Bread for a starving wife, Bread for the woman who'd loved me Through fifty years of life; And what do you think they told me, Mocking my awful grief, That 'the House' was open to us, But they wouldn't give 'out relief'. "I slunk to the filthy alley -- 'Twas a cold, raw Christmas Eve -- And the bakers' shops were open, Tempting a man to thieve; But I clenched my fists together, Holding my head awry, So I came to her empty-handed And mournfully told her why. "Then I told her the house was open; She had heard of the ways of that, For her bloodless cheeks went crimson, and up in her rags she sat, Crying, 'Bide the Christmas here, John, We've never had one apart; I think I can bear the hunger -- The other would break my heart.' "All through that eve I watched her, Holding her hand in mine, Praying the Lord and weeping, Till my lips were salt as brine; I asked her once if she hungered, And as she answered 'No' , T'he moon shone in at the window, Set in a wreath of snow. "Then the room was bathed in glory, And I saw in my darling's eyes The faraway look of wonder That comes when the spirit flies; And her lips were parched and parted, And her reason came and went. For she raved of our home in Devon, Where our happiest years were spent. "And the accents, long forgotten, Came back to the tongue once more. For she talked like the country lassie I woo'd by the Devon shore; Then she rose to her feet and trembled, And fell on the rags and moaned, And, 'Give me a crust -- I'm famished -- For the love of God!' she groaned. "I rushed from the room like a madman And flew to the workhouse gate, Crying, 'Food for a dying woman!' And the answer came, 'Too late.' They drove me away with curses; Then I fought with a dog in the street And tore from the mongrel's clutches A crust he was trying to eat. "Back through the filthy byways! Back through the trampled slush! Up to the crazy garret, Wrapped in an awful hush; My heart sank down at the threshold, And I paused with a sudden thrill. For there, in the silv'ry moonlight, My Nance lay, cold and still. "Up to the blackened ceiling, The sunken eyes were cast -- I knew on those lips, all bloodless, My name had been the last; She called for her absent husband -- O God! had I but known! -- Had called in vain, and, in anguish, Had died in that den -- alone. "Yes, there, in a land of plenty, Lay a loving woman dead, Cruelly starved and murdered for a loaf of the parish bread; At yonder gate, last Christmas, I craved for a human life, You, who would feed us paupers, What of my murdered wife!" 'There, get ye gone to your dinners, Don't mind me in the least, Think of the happy paupers Eating your Christmas feast; And when you recount their blessings In your smug parochial way, Say what you did for me, too, Only last Christmas Day."

Hi, http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/medieval_xmas.htm Edna - sunny Ottawa Merry Christmas and a Healthy New Year!

Hi Edna, I hope you don't mind, but I forwarded your message to the WOOLGAR list! You may get a reply from there! Marion WOOLGAR is doing a one name study. Here is her website, which you may find of interest: _http://www.woolgar.org_ (http://www.woolgar.org) Best wishes, Liz in Munich In einer eMail vom 18.12.2006 17:34:47 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt [email protected]: Hi, Is there a father mentioned for Alice, please? St MaryPortsea CHU3/1D/90 November 11 1893 William Ernest Woolgar - Seaman, HMS Vernon and Alice KNIGHT 23 Spinster 60 Derby Rd, married in the church after Banns, Fathers William John Woolgar, Pensioner R.N. in the presence of Emma KNIGHT and Henry Knight Edward NEVILLE Edna - Ottawa

I'd be interested in that too, so please reply to list! I have an ancestor, Robert MORTLEMAN, who was a marine in HMS Guernsey. His will was made in the Royal Hospital, Haslar a few days before he died in April 1767. I don't think he would have had much to leave (he mentions along with the usual items 'Salary Tickets Bounty Money Prize Money Short allowance money Smart Money pensions Wages'), but it all went to a victualler by the name of Ralph GRIGG. I presume Robert would have been buried in Haslar Cemetery, but it would be nice to know. Anne South australia Bryan Richards wrote: > I have found a family record in the Nautical Magazine > > At the Royal Hospital Haslar after a few days illness Richard Cotter Esq. Purser of H.M.S. President leaving a widow and 8 children to mourn their loss. > Since his home addresss was Lambeth London and I cannot trace a burial record there, whether he was buried at the RN cemetary Haslar. This would be 1834. > > Is there a burial index for this RN cemetary ? > > Bryan Richards > www.swanseamariners.org.uk > over 35,000 searchable entries of mariners of wordwide origin engaged on Swansea registered ships 1863-1872 and 1890-1894 completed.

Hi, Is there a father mentioned for Alice, please? St MaryPortsea CHU3/1D/90 November 11 1893 William Ernest Woolgar - Seaman, HMS Vernon and Alice KNIGHT 23 Spinster 60 Derby Rd, married in the church after Banns, Fathers William John Woolgar, Pensioner R.N. in the presence of Emma KNIGHT and Henry Knight Edward NEVILLE Edna - Ottawa

I have found a family record in the Nautical Magazine At the Royal Hospital Haslar after a few days illness Richard Cotter Esq. Purser of H.M.S. President leaving a widow and 8 children to mourn their loss. Since his home addresss was Lambeth London and I cannot trace a burial record there, whether he was buried at the RN cemetary Haslar. This would be 1834. Is there a burial index for this RN cemetary ? Bryan Richards www.swanseamariners.org.uk over 35,000 searchable entries of mariners of wordwide origin engaged on Swansea registered ships 1863-1872 and 1890-1894 completed.

Charles Dickens bapt. St. Mary's Portsea March 1812: http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/frc/extra/dickens2.htm Edna - Ottawa