Hi, Historic passenger lists (1890-1899) of ships go online ~~ borrowed from another list. Edna - sunny Ottawa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070110/wr_nm/britain_passengers_dc LONDON (Reuters) - People looking to track ancestors who emigrated from British ports will from Wednesday be able to search online passenger lists of the ships that carried them to new lands. Released by Britain's National Archives, the passenger manifests give an insight into all long-distance trips made by 30 million travelers from the country's ports between 1890 and 1960, including that of the Titanic which sank in 1912. "We hope the digitization will open up a hugely valuable resource for genealogists and social historians all over the world," said Dan Jones, National Archives' head of business development. The records, available via commercial Web site findmypast.com which was licensed by The National Archives, also show the passages of trans-European migrants. Many were Jews fleeing persecution, who began their journeys in continental Europe and travelled to British ports like Southampton and Liverpool to catch cheap sailings. During this period, thousands of Britons were propelled by economic reasons to seek new beginnings abroad. Between 1890 and 1914 an estimated 125,000 Britons emigrated every year to the United States, with 50,000 going to Canada and 25,000 to Australia. Trips to all continents are covered with sailings to South America, the Caribbean, West Africa and all parts of Asia. Initially only the period from 1890-1900 will be available but subsequent decades will be put online over the next few months. The lists provide an intriguing glimpse of individual voyages. What, for example, did 40-year-old Glaswegian spinster dairy maid Elizabeth Barr make of New Zealand when she arrived in 1923 on the steamship Remuera? Did she perhaps strike up an onboard friendship with John Woodrow, 21, a rabbit-catcher from Warwickshire or maybe she built a new life with another fellow passenger, 33-year-old London fireman Rufus Workman? Although the passenger lists have been available at the archives' offices in Kew, southwest London, for some time they are indexed by port of departure only and not name, making it difficult to find a particular individual. The passenger lists, which are available online in their original form vary. Some are typed, others are handwritten. Some record tantalizingly little detail while others give occupations, address and ultimate destination overseas.

Wendy wrote >Many thanks Jenny - I wonder if you are able to find the family in 1861 >as well please? Searched every which way, upside down and back to front but can't find a trace of Frederick or Emma or Ann in 1861. However, found F & E's marriage in FreeBMD and then looked up her family (she was Emma Pink) in the 1851. I couldn't find F anywhere in 1851 either, but found them both in the 1841. Images sent off-list. -- Jenny M Benson

Hello Please has anyone access to the 1861 census for Alverstoke? I am looking for the details of the JOHNSON family: Frederick head b. c. 1823 Emma wife b. 1839 Ann Mary dau. b. 1857 & possibly another child Many thanks for any help Wendy

Hi Edna & list Edna - thank you a very useful site - clarified a lot of stuff. but didn't realise the London Gazette archives were on line & searchable - can't remember the website - but if you just do a search for London Gazette, you will find it - amazing info - medals in WW1 & WW2, official name changes & a good search engine Rita In Norfolk UK where I have daffodils in full bloom (along the drive - not inside!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Name Change > Name Change - http://www.ukdps.co.uk/ > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenny M Benson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:21 AM > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Name Change > > > Bazzer wrote >>"When a surname is changed, what documentation is involved - would a >>note be made on the birth cert records?" As far as I am aware, birth >>certificates cannot be changed > > My daughter opted to take her stepfather's surname when she was about > 11. There has never been any documentation involved. > > A few years ago, when in her mid-30s, she was doing something to do with > her driving licence and had to provide her birth certificate. Because it > shows her birth surname she was told to submit a letter from me stating > that ----- Benson was the same person as ----- W-----. We thought it > highly amusing that once again she was needing a "note from her Mummy"! > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

HI Philip, My ancestor, William James Lemmon was born July 15th, 1865, to William Lemmon and Kate (Kennett) Lemmon. I JUST got his birth certificate today. I know virtually nothing about his family because he was raised, from at least 5 years old, when he first appears on the census, by his uncle and aunt, Charles and Fanny Hellyer. All the information I have puts the family in Portsea/Southsea/Portsmouth, although the uncle was in Havant for a while. Do you see any connection? I'd love to find some additional family for this poor guy. Lynne Quoting [email protected]: > Hello Lynne, > > Intrigued by your reference to William James Lemmon. My ancestor was John > Lemmon (1798-1874) living at Point. Was he any relation? > > Philip > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > Lynne M. Robinson, PhD, RPsych, School of Health and Human Performance 6230 South St. Dalhousie University Halifax, NS B3H 3J5 Tel: 902.494-1157 Fax: 902.494.5120 [email protected]

Is this combination unique? My mother changed her surname by deed poll to regularise the name she used for 30+ years. I have her copy of the legal document drawn up by solicitors. My birth certificate is not a surname or christening name change but is corrected by an endorsement of a declaration of my father 40 years after I was born. Any new copies of it carry the endorsement and it now has two reference numbers. This is very confusing as I now do not appear in any indexes I have found, because my correct name was hand re written on the typed index and the transcriber did not read the hand written note of my middle name correctly. I have advised them (Ancestry)and hope one day that it will appear as it should. My father in law's marriage certificate carries an amendment made by declaration of his patents, after they found out that his father was recruited into the first world war under the name of Smith. The two reasons we assume for the name difference was more likely the recruiter could not spell the simple surname offered or that he was under aged and enrolled under an alias. This second point can easily be ascertained if I apply for his army records. This I must do soon! Jim North Les Arcs France -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Timber Sent: 08 January 2007 14:22 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Change of surname - legal requirements Chris. The situation on name changing is the same here in OZ. Probably why OZ is a good place to loose one's identity. I have often wondered how this would affect the signing of legal documents ? When in the RAF, a friend of mine had his name changed by deed poll. I recall seeing it on Routine Daily Orders. He changed it from Crapp to Wright. I can't say that I blame him ! Seamus....(tout á fait chevalier) System protected by system mechanics/Kaspersky -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of chris whitehead Sent: Sunday, 7 January 2007 12:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Change of surname - legal requirements It has never been a requirement for you to "officially" change your name. Providing there's no intent to deceive or defraud you can call yourself what ever you want. You may find a notice in a paper: "To all it may concern: John Smith now wishes to be known as John Brown" Given the names you quote, I suspect a change without public notification, and would even guess a date. In 1914, at the start of WW1 there was a great deal feeling against anyone living here who was/might have been from Germany. This included smashing the windows of shops with German owners. Your brother in law's ancestor may well have found it politic to change his name to something more English. In message <[email protected]>, Rita Newton <[email protected]> writes >Hi all >Belated New Year wishes to everyone. >My query is not Portsmouth/Gosport specific - but has anyone experience >of a surname change and what is involved? I'm researching my brother in >law's family. His father's birth was registered in 1925 as John GOLDING >however, John Golding's father's surname in 1901 census was GOLDSTEIN. >So surname "anglised" between 1901 and 1925. >When a surname is changed, what documentation is involved - would a >note be made on the birth cert records? >Any help/advice out there? >Rita > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >message -- Chris whitehead ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte.

On 1/8/07, Bazzer <[email protected]> wrote: "As far as I am aware, birth certificates cannot be changed" I have seen birth certificates with additional notes typed - one I have seen had a declaration from the mother declaring that the person's father was not who she originally said it was... Catherine

Hi all, Changing surnames seems to be somewhat common in the 19th century. My grandfather's father was born William James Lemmon and we have his apprenticeship papers in that name. However, our oral family history states that he ran away from his apprenticeship and took the name Hellyer. He married in that name (although the marriage reg. states "formerly Lemmon") and all the information on him after that is in the name of Hellyer. In fact his descendents go by the name of Hellyer. Luckily, my mother inherited and kept family documents which show this transition. My husband's family name is Bennett. His aunt has tracked his great-grandfather who enrolled in the British army with a different first and last name (Thomas Dickens) and had 3 children with the last name "Dickens". As adults, at least one of the children, from whom my husband is descended, go by Bennett. It is very difficult to find the man who changed his name and to connect him to other members of the family. Unfortunately, my aunt-in-law has now lost the papers that supported the connection, however, her belief is that the correct name is Bennett and that the name was changed when the ggrandfather enrolled in the army as a young man. She asserts that he was the only son in a family of girls and therefore the army could refuse to take him, as he was supposed to be the support of the family (sort of Saving Private Ryan, but before the recruitment). We have been tracking my husband's family, immigrants from a part of the Austro-Hungarian empire that switched hands multiple times. We still do not know what the true Hungarian name is, since it appears on censuses as: Jaharz, Yuhaiz, Gondos!!, etc. We knew his great-aunt was born in Liverpool on a certain date (from records in the US) but COULD NOT find a birth certificate. Finally we ordered one for "Annie Julius", since that was the closest we could come. It has just arrived and all the evidence is that it is correct (mother's first name, address of family, etc.) but the written name is in fact "Julius". Finally, birth registrations could apparently be made out with no first name for the child. There is a space for the first name to be added later. What's a poor geneologist to do? Lynne Quoting Jim North <[email protected]>: > Is this combination unique? > > My mother changed her surname by deed poll to regularise the name she used > for 30+ years. I have her copy of the legal document drawn up by solicitors. > > My birth certificate is not a surname or christening name change but is > corrected by an endorsement of a declaration of my father 40 years after I > was born. Any new copies of it carry the endorsement and it now has two > reference numbers. This is very confusing as I now do not appear in any > indexes I have found, because my correct name was hand re written on the > typed index and the transcriber did not read the hand written note of my > middle name correctly. I have advised them (Ancestry)and hope one day that > it will appear as it should. > > My father in law's marriage certificate carries an amendment made by > declaration of his patents, after they found out that his father was > recruited into the first world war under the name of Smith. > The two reasons we assume for the name difference was more likely the > recruiter could not spell the simple surname offered or that he was under > aged and enrolled under an alias. This second point can easily be > ascertained if I apply for his army records. This I must do soon! > > Jim North > Les Arcs > France > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Timber > Sent: 08 January 2007 14:22 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Change of surname - legal requirements > > Chris. > > The situation on name changing is the same here in OZ. Probably why OZ is a > good > place to loose one's identity. I have often wondered how this would affect > the > signing of legal documents ? > > When in the RAF, a friend of mine had his name changed by deed poll. I > recall > seeing it on Routine Daily Orders. He changed it from Crapp to Wright. I > can't > say that I blame him ! > > Seamus....(tout á fait chevalier) > > System protected by system mechanics/Kaspersky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of chris > whitehead > Sent: Sunday, 7 January 2007 12:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Change of surname - legal requirements > > It has never been a requirement for you to "officially" change your > name. Providing there's no intent to deceive or defraud you can call > yourself what ever you want. > > You may find a notice in a paper: > > "To all it may concern: John Smith now wishes to be known as John Brown" > > Given the names you quote, I suspect a change without public > notification, and would even guess a date. > In 1914, at the start of WW1 there was a great deal feeling against > anyone living here who was/might have been from Germany. This included > smashing the windows of shops with German owners. > > Your brother in law's ancestor may well have found it politic to change > his name to something more English. > > In message <[email protected]>, Rita Newton > <[email protected]> writes >> Hi all >> Belated New Year wishes to everyone. >> My query is not Portsmouth/Gosport specific - but has anyone experience >> of a surname change and what is involved? I'm researching my brother in >> law's family. His father's birth was registered in 1925 as John GOLDING >> however, John Golding's father's surname in 1901 census was GOLDSTEIN. >> So surname "anglised" between 1901 and 1925. >> When a surname is changed, what documentation is involved - would a >> note be made on the birth cert records? >> Any help/advice out there? >> Rita >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > -- > Chris whitehead > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. > Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > > > > > >

Hi, our Charles Hellyer born when? _____ & Fanny Hellyer. Family Portsea/Southsea/Portsmouth, although in Havant for a while. Edna - Ottawa

Hello Lynne, Intrigued by your reference to William James Lemmon. My ancestor was John Lemmon (1798-1874) living at Point. Was he any relation? Philip

Hi, I'm still looking for my Great-grandfather of Southsea, a plumber: William James Hellyer (1854-c91). Any sightings are welcome... Edna - Ottawa

Bazzer wrote >"When a surname is changed, what documentation is involved - would a >note be made on the birth cert records?" As far as I am aware, birth >certificates cannot be changed My daughter opted to take her stepfather's surname when she was about 11. There has never been any documentation involved. A few years ago, when in her mid-30s, she was doing something to do with her driving licence and had to provide her birth certificate. Because it shows her birth surname she was told to submit a letter from me stating that ----- Benson was the same person as ----- W-----. We thought it highly amusing that once again she was needing a "note from her Mummy"! -- Jenny M Benson

Name Change - http://www.ukdps.co.uk/ Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M Benson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Name Change Bazzer wrote >"When a surname is changed, what documentation is involved - would a >note be made on the birth cert records?" As far as I am aware, birth >certificates cannot be changed My daughter opted to take her stepfather's surname when she was about 11. There has never been any documentation involved. A few years ago, when in her mid-30s, she was doing something to do with her driving licence and had to provide her birth certificate. Because it shows her birth surname she was told to submit a letter from me stating that ----- Benson was the same person as ----- W-----. We thought it highly amusing that once again she was needing a "note from her Mummy"! -- Jenny M Benson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"When a surname is changed, what documentation is involved - would a note be made on the birth cert records?" As far as I am aware, birth certificates cannot be changed Regards Bazzer Portchester Fareham Hampshire www.clarkeology.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 08/01/2007

Chris. The situation on name changing is the same here in OZ. Probably why OZ is a good place to loose one's identity. I have often wondered how this would affect the signing of legal documents ? When in the RAF, a friend of mine had his name changed by deed poll. I recall seeing it on Routine Daily Orders. He changed it from Crapp to Wright. I can't say that I blame him ! Seamus....(tout á fait chevalier) System protected by system mechanics/Kaspersky -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of chris whitehead Sent: Sunday, 7 January 2007 12:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Change of surname - legal requirements It has never been a requirement for you to "officially" change your name. Providing there's no intent to deceive or defraud you can call yourself what ever you want. You may find a notice in a paper: "To all it may concern: John Smith now wishes to be known as John Brown" Given the names you quote, I suspect a change without public notification, and would even guess a date. In 1914, at the start of WW1 there was a great deal feeling against anyone living here who was/might have been from Germany. This included smashing the windows of shops with German owners. Your brother in law's ancestor may well have found it politic to change his name to something more English. In message <[email protected]>, Rita Newton <[email protected]> writes >Hi all >Belated New Year wishes to everyone. >My query is not Portsmouth/Gosport specific - but has anyone experience >of a surname change and what is involved? I'm researching my brother in >law's family. His father's birth was registered in 1925 as John GOLDING >however, John Golding's father's surname in 1901 census was GOLDSTEIN. >So surname "anglised" between 1901 and 1925. >When a surname is changed, what documentation is involved - would a >note be made on the birth cert records? >Any help/advice out there? >Rita > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >message -- Chris whitehead ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have the Memorial card for Alfred Henry WALKER who died Dec 2nd 1905 and was interred at Eastney cemetery. Age 37yrs he may have been the Alfred Harry WALKER whose birth was registered at Portsea in the December quarter reference 2b 445. Anyone researching WALKERS? Mike Waterlooville

Hi Chris I've tracked the family back to 1891 census Can't find them in any earlier censuses, or the grandfather's birth registed in UK - even though he states in censuses he was born in London about 1854. I'm planning to go to the National Archives at Kew in early Feb & may find out more about the family in the "aliens" (immigrants) files they have. thanks for help Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris whitehead" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Change of surname - legal requirements > It has never been a requirement for you to "officially" change your > name. Providing there's no intent to deceive or defraud you can call > yourself what ever you want. > > You may find a notice in a paper: > > "To all it may concern: John Smith now wishes to be known as John Brown" > > Given the names you quote, I suspect a change without public > notification, and would even guess a date. > In 1914, at the start of WW1 there was a great deal feeling against > anyone living here who was/might have been from Germany. This included > smashing the windows of shops with German owners. > > Your brother in law's ancestor may well have found it politic to change > his name to something more English. > > In message <[email protected]>, Rita Newton > <[email protected]> writes >>Hi all >>Belated New Year wishes to everyone. >>My query is not Portsmouth/Gosport specific - but has anyone experience >>of a surname change and what is involved? I'm researching my brother in >>law's family. His father's birth was registered in 1925 as John GOLDING >>however, John Golding's father's surname in 1901 census was GOLDSTEIN. >>So surname "anglised" between 1901 and 1925. >>When a surname is changed, what documentation is involved - would a >>note be made on the birth cert records? >>Any help/advice out there? >>Rita >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word >>'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>message > > -- > Chris whitehead > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Good Morning, Frances Gertrude McGREGOR b. 1886 to James McGREGOR & Abigail (MONTGOMERY) . Married Thos. R. FUNNELL c. December 1911 Portsmouth. Thos. born c. 1883 d. 20.1.1921, buried Broadwater, Worthing, Sussex. Children: Nora b. ? & Gertrude b. Portsmouth 1915. Regards, Joan.

> > REPOSTING: > Family of Rob Roy Marshall McGREGOR b. 25.9.1896 West Wittering, Sussex d. > 7.6.1969 Cremated Porchester Crem. & Ivy E. BULSTRODE b. 1900 Portsmouth > d. > 1971 Cremated Porchester Crematorium: they married 1920. > Children: > Roy b. 1921 d. 30.3.1988 Portsmouth: Cremated Porchester Crematorium. > Gwendoline b. 1924 > Jean b. 1926 > Malcolm b. 1928 > John b. 1930 > Shiela b. 1932 > David b. 1936 - shown on Roy's D/C as Informant. > > Anyone know of this family? > > Regards, Joan. > >> >> ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== >> Help your Online Parish Clerk project - for information on this & free >> online transcriptions & links to villages etc see www.knightroots.co.uk >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== > practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T > SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Good morning, Searching for Elizabeth Anne McGREGOR married Ernest V. MOGG December 1/4, 1915, Portsmouth. They had 2 children: Robina & Jean (I think). Elizabeth's parents: James McGREGOR & Abigail Ann MONTGOMERY. Any information most welcome. Regards, Joan. Sydney, Australia.